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 Post subject: Re: 'Team Frankenstein' launch bid to build a human brain
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:01 am 
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I hate when people overestimate themselfes. We're a lightyear away from fully understanding the brains, let alone 'replicate' it.

If you use light year as a measurement of time, and not for distance which is what a lightyear is, then you shouldn't comment on science articles.


It's an expression in Dutch which I directly translated to English. Thanks for being the smartass and stating the obvious, like I didn't know a lightyear stands for the distance light travels in a year.

Bunch of fcking retards filling up this thread trying to be the smartass rather then to discuss it with some arguements and respect. Gaige has to bring in God when no one ever mentioned God. Azillius is the biggest retard of this forum while he thinks he's the smartest guy. And MrJoey, come with fcking arguements rather then being the fcking smartass about lightyears and whatnot. From all posts I've read there are only 2 or 3 which come with valid arguements. You don't necessarily have to agree with them, but atleast they explain their opinion. SRF is starting to get annoying again. Everytime I think we reached some sort of point where everyone has outgrown his arrogance and can actually discuss in a normal manner, retards like you prove otherwise. I would like to discuss anything in a good manner where we come with actual arguements rather then play it personal.

But I guess it's too much to ask, so fck all of you :)


The irony in this post makes me chuckle. Do continue.

Also, cin pretty much summed it up. Anyone who wasn't closed minded and ignorant would understand what he said.

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 Post subject: Re: 'Team Frankenstein' launch bid to build a human brain
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:45 am 
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This is just yet another example of a group of pioneers trying to advance us
Even so.. it would have been "impossible" for them to know everything about the human brain anyway.


Referring to my last post..what makes you think you're qualified to make an assumption as such?


I doubt anyone here is fully qualified to make any sound claims for either end of the argument so asking who's qualified is moot. But everyone here is qualified to formulate an opinion...and you seem to be baited into thinking that those opinions are facts just because some of them are being posed as such.

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 Post subject: Re: 'Team Frankenstein' launch bid to build a human brain
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:27 am 
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Even so.. it would have been "impossible" for them to know everything about the human brain anyway.


Referring to my last post..what makes you think you're qualified to make an assumption as such?


I doubt anyone here is fully qualified to make any sound claims for either end of the argument so asking who's qualified is moot. But everyone here is qualified to formulate an opinion...and you seem to be baited into thinking that those opinions are facts just because some of them are being posed as such.


I hardly see how no one here being qualified makes that point irrelevant. I don't know whether or not what is proposed is possible or not, but I'm not going to start telling people it's good or bad because of x and y when I really know NOTHING in comparison to those creating the project. I'm not the one stating things as facts, hence why I made my original post. An opinion is 'this is x', a reason is 'because of y'. When the reason someone comes up with is laughable at best why shouldn't I point that out?

There's a reason I'm not saying it's a good or bad idea, and that's because I have very low knowledge of any brain related science. Sure everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but to not object their reasoning is baffling to me.

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 Post subject: Re: 'Team Frankenstein' launch bid to build a human brain
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:53 am 
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''Someone who 100 years ago would have tried to explain to his grandmother how the human brain works, wouldn't have said something really different than someone who would try it nowadays.'' - Henry Makram, founder of the Human Brain Project. Keep in mind there are 100.000 scientific articles related to the brain released each year. This just shows how hard it is to understand the human brain. Allthough I understand that most of you think it will bring us alot of new data, which I am certain it will, I still believe they should begin with understanding and replicating a certain part of the brain like the part that takes care ouf our memories.

The human brain has 10 billion neutrons and each of these neutrons is connected to another 10.000 neutrons. That means that we are talking about 100 trillion connections. That's a 100 times more then the total links on the internet measured in the year 2008. I just want to show you the complexity and the scale we are talking about here.

A similar project, the Human Genome Project, was finished in 2003 and like this project promised to better understand the brains and that it would lead to the cure of many diseases, from Alzheimer to obesitas to depressions. But when it was completed, the usage of it turned out be alot less then scientists had expected.

And last but not least, Henry Makram also said the one billion euro's they want is only the beginning. ''We will need alot of money.'', he said. How much exactly they would need, he didn't say. But if the one billion is only the beginning, this project could turn into a multi billion dollar project.

Also this project is one of the six contesting projects that are competing for this one billion dollar grant. I checked the other too and the one that appealed to me the most, both in ways of usage and achievability is the FuturICT. A tl;dr version of this project: ''This initiative is seeking to develop Information and Communications Technologies that will provide scientists, governmental officials and citizens with a planetary scale computer which is called a Living Earth Platform. The Living Earth Platform will provide the means of analysing data and managing complex events. It could for example provide a basis for predicting natural disasters, or managing and responding to man-made disasters that cross national borders or even continents.''

And this ladies and gentlemen is why I don't support the Human Brain Project. It is not because I don't want them to succeed, on the contrary, I hope they will succeed with this project some time. But they will need to find another funder. I would love to see the medical and military industry contribute to the costs needed for this project. They are the two industries that will benefit the most from it.

It has nothing to do with with closed minded and ignorant (curve.) and it has nothing to do with not willing to learn by failure. I know the research would bring us alot of information, even if it the project won't turn out like they want it to be. But because I don' think they'll deliver that they promise, the costs are huge and it is not clear how much they will and there is a better project in terms of achievability and usage, I do not support it.

Ladies and gentleman, I rest my case. I just got home from a 10 hour workday and it is time for me to sleep. Peace out :)

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 Post subject: Re: 'Team Frankenstein' launch bid to build a human brain
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This will make mind control even easier. And then some certain groups of people will also create super robots that are smarter than humans. :sohappy:

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 Post subject: Re: 'Team Frankenstein' launch bid to build a human brain
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Who says they want or need to know EVERYTHING, knowing something that we don't know which could help us in the future now is better than nothing.
If they can't find anything? Seriously.. a human brain does not work like an electronic computer
Our brain isn't Just a bunch of neurons... It's a thinking organ that learns, solving and make decisions, etc..

Artificial brains don't feel anything.. They can't be reasoned with, etc..

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what makes you think you're qualified to make an assumption as such?
I'm not "naturally" qualified for it eh? lulz

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 Post subject: Re: 'Team Frankenstein' launch bid to build a human brain
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This thread was brought to you by the human brain. You guys waste your Euros on this silly project, I'm investing in something way better, the Raspberry Pi.

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 Post subject: Re: 'Team Frankenstein' launch bid to build a human brain
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Who says they want or need to know EVERYTHING, knowing something that we don't know which could help us in the future now is better than nothing.
If they can't find anything? Seriously.. a human brain does not work like an electronic computer
Our brain isn't Just a bunch of neurons... It's a thinking organ that learns, solving and make decisions, etc..

Artificial brains don't feel anything.. They can't be reasoned with, etc..

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what makes you think you're qualified to make an assumption as such?
I'm not "naturally" qualified for it eh? lulz


The chances that they will find nothing of use over a decade of research and projects is highly unlikely. Either stop trolling or maybe you should work on you're own brain, seems a bit out of tune.


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 Post subject: Re: 'Team Frankenstein' launch bid to build a human brain
PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:31 pm 
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should work on you're own brain
Meh.. such a waste of money!

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 Post subject: Re: 'Team Frankenstein' launch bid to build a human brain
PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:52 pm 
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should work on you're own brain
Meh.. such a waste of money!

Bitch please, hitting on someones grammar. You know what he means.

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 Post subject: Re: 'Team Frankenstein' launch bid to build a human brain
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it seems like you're the only one commenting on his grammar. I didn't see Blackfox commenting on it.

told yah this thread is full of fckers lol.

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 Post subject: Re: 'Team Frankenstein' launch bid to build a human brain
PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:07 pm 
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it seems like you're the only one commenting on his grammar. I didn't see Blackfox commenting on it.

told yah this thread is full of fckers lol.


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 Post subject: Re: 'Team Frankenstein' launch bid to build a human brain
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it seems like you're the only one commenting on his grammar. I didn't see Blackfox commenting on it.

told yah this thread is full of fckers lol.


You being the biggest one.


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