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 Post subject: Re: When lions get fed up... [NSFW]
PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:54 pm 
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Isn't theory (any theory) just theory?... Scientific theories aren't laws or proof, they're just postulations waiting to be proven as universal truth via repeated testing etc... And evolution (If true) are adaptive measures triggered by environment...

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"In everyday speech, the word "theory" is used as a "best guess". In modern science, a scientific theory is a tested and expanded hypothesis that explains many experiments and fits ideas together in a framework. If anyone finds a case where all or part of a scientific theory is false, then that theory is either changed or thrown out.
An example of a scientific theory that underwent many changes is the germ theory of disease. In ancient times, people believed that diseases were caused by the gods, or by curses, or by improper behavior. Germs were unknown, because germs are too small to see. With the invention of the microscope, germs were discovered, and the germ theory of disease was proposed. Thanks to the germ theory of disease, many diseases can now be cured. However, the germ theory of disease had to be modified, because some diseases are not caused by germs."


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BuDo wrote:
Isn't theory (any theory) just theory?... Scientific theories aren't laws or proof, they're just postulations waiting to be proven as universal truth via repeated testing etc... And evolution (If true) are adaptive measures triggered by environment...

There is no such thing as universal truth.

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 Post subject: Re: When lions get fed up... [NSFW]
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BuDo wrote:
Isn't theory (any theory) just theory?... Scientific theories aren't laws or proof, they're just postulations waiting to be proven as universal truth via repeated testing etc... And evolution (If true) are adaptive measures triggered by environment...


I already posted the definition of scientific theory and Aventus replied to you in the post above.
Basically, scientific theories are scientific laws.

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Scientific theories and laws are both based on hypotheses, a scientific theory is an explanation of the observed phenomenon, while a scientific law is a description of an observed phenomenon

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Bartic wrote:
BuDo wrote:
Isn't theory (any theory) just theory?... Scientific theories aren't laws or proof, they're just postulations waiting to be proven as universal truth via repeated testing etc... And evolution (If true) are adaptive measures triggered by environment...


I already posted the definition of scientific theory and Aventus replied to you in the post above.
Basically, scientific theories are scientific laws.


According to Blackfox's quoted definition above, scientific law and scientific theory are separate...

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 Post subject: Re: When lions get fed up... [NSFW]
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According to Blackfox's quoted definition above, scientific law and scientific theory are separate...


Yes, you're right. Here it is one more time:

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A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of knowledge that has been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Scientists create scientific theories from hypotheses that have been corroborated through the scientific method, then gather evidence to test their accuracy. As with all forms of scientific knowledge, scientific theories are inductive in nature and do not make apodictic propositions; instead, they aim for predictive and explanatory force.

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Both scientific laws and theories are supported by a large body of empirical data; both help unify a particular field of scientific study; and both are widely accepted by the vast majority of scientists within a discipline.

While a scientific theory can become a scientific law, it does not happen often and each process has a revered and separate purpose as part of the scientific method. A common misconception is that a theory becomes a law after a certain amount of data has accumulated. That is not the case.

Scientific laws are typically applied to a specific discipline such as biology, physics or chemistry. Since it requires years and even decades of accumulating knowledge, few scientific laws transcend more than one field of science.

While scientific law is generally associated with the natural sciences, there are some scientific laws that apply to the social sciences such as archeology, economics and linguistics.

Many scientific laws can be boiled down to a mathematical equation. For example, Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation states: F=Gm1m2/d2, where F is the force of gravity, G is a constant (the Gravitational Constant) that can be measured, m1 and m2 are the masses of the two objects, and d is the distance between them.

Some disciplines, such as physics and chemistry, have many laws because a large number of the principles behind these sciences can be related as mathematical equations. Comparatively, biology has fewer laws and more theories because there are many aspects of this field of science that cannot be broken down in mathematical terms.

While scientific laws are universally accepted by scientists in a particular field, they are meant to be questioned and challenged. Some of the best science has come from questioning accepted knowledge. Einstein, for example, showed that the Newtonian "Laws" of mechanics did not explain everything.

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