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Dimethyltryptamine
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Post subject: Re: Proposition 19. Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 8:19 am |
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Love wrote: weed couses cancer just like cigarettes .... Study Finds No Cancer-Marijuana ConnectionQuote: The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that smoking marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer.
The new findings "were against our expectations," said Donald Tashkin of the University of California at Los Angeles, a pulmonologist who has studied marijuana for 30 years.
"We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use," he said. "What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect."
Federal health and drug enforcement officials have widely used Tashkin's previous work on marijuana to make the case that the drug is dangerous. Tashkin said that while he still believes marijuana is potentially harmful, its cancer-causing effects appear to be of less concern than previously thought. The Washington Post
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Post subject: Re: Proposition 19. Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:34 am |
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Love wrote: weed couses cancer just like cigarettes .... who told you this bs ?  im serious this thread shows how media can affect ppl minds..
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Post subject: Re: Proposition 19. Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 1:34 pm |
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this forum shows how weed can affect peoples minds...
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Post subject: Re: Proposition 19. Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 2:01 pm |
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Dimethyltryptamine wrote: Hmmm, interesting, thanks!
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Post subject: Re: Proposition 19. Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 6:18 pm |
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Dimethyltryptamine wrote: Love wrote: weed couses cancer just like cigarettes .... Study Finds No Cancer-Marijuana ConnectionQuote: The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that smoking marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer.
The new findings "were against our expectations," said Donald Tashkin of the University of California at Los Angeles, a pulmonologist who has studied marijuana for 30 years.
"We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use," he said. "What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect."
Federal health and drug enforcement officials have widely used Tashkin's previous work on marijuana to make the case that the drug is dangerous. Tashkin said that while he still believes marijuana is potentially harmful, its cancer-causing effects appear to be of less concern than previously thought. The Washington PostHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Super fail  First of all, flawed study. 1. Lung cancer only. 2. One study. 3. One type of marijuana, doesn't use multiple types that are issued in different areas. 4. You are retarded if you believe marijuana has no adverse health effects. BTW he even admits there are lurking variables. This whole study came about from surveys. People said they smoked 22,000 times. Jesus christ dude, there is almost no legitimacy in the study. Actually read the article kthxbai
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Post subject: Re: Proposition 19. Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 6:31 pm |
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I guess we will find out if it was passed by the end of tonight? When do they show the results.
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CeLL
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Post subject: Re: Proposition 19. Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 7:02 pm |
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Inhaling any substance that is burning can and does cause health issues. It’s the choice of the individual to do so if they please. At least it should be.
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Post subject: Re: Proposition 19. Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 8:06 pm |
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Vaporizer. 
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Post subject: Re: Proposition 19. Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 8:16 pm |
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EvGa wrote: Vaporizer.  still harmful. maybe not as much, but there is still hot oil fuming your lungs.
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Post subject: Re: Proposition 19. Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 8:25 pm |
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CeLL wrote: EvGa wrote: Vaporizer.  still harmful. maybe not as much, but there is still hot oil fuming your lungs. At least cell understands. 
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Post subject: Re: Proposition 19. Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 9:01 pm |
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McLovin1t wrote: CeLL wrote: EvGa wrote: Vaporizer.  still harmful. maybe not as much, but there is still hot oil fuming your lungs. At least cell understands.  yes, but you dont seem to understand that it SHOULD be the right of the individual to weigh the costs of harming themselves. just like all the fatty fat fats that eat fast food every day.
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Post subject: Re: Proposition 19. Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 9:15 pm |
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McLovin1t wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Super fail  First of all, flawed study. 1. Lung cancer only. 2. One study. 3. One type of marijuana, doesn't use multiple types that are issued in different areas. 4. You are retarded if you believe marijuana has no adverse health effects. BTW he even admits there are lurking variables. This whole study came about from surveys. People said they smoked 22,000 times. Jesus christ dude, there is almost no legitimacy in the study. Actually read the article kthxbai So far your argument has consisted of- 'facepalm', 'double facepalm', and 'super fail'. You're going great guns! The rest of your poor argument leads back to your inability to read... For starters, the study (which yes, was one study, though the largest of its kind) was done for 3 types of cancer. Quote: Tashkin found that even the very heavy marijuana smokers showed no increased incidence of the three cancers studied. THC has been proven to provide medical benefits (can cure cancer, as well as AIDs and decreases the effects of nausea). When THC is extracted correctly (i.e. via a vaporiser) and cooled through cold water/ice water, you avoid the toxic, and carcinogenic by-products present when burning the marijuana. That figure of 22,000 is over a lifetime of heavy smoking. A moderate smoker is between 11,000 to 22,000. If I smoke 2 times a day, every day, for the next 40 years, I would have lit up in excess of 29,000 times. So basically, yes, Marijuana can still be harmful - as can Alcohol, Cigarettes and just about any prescription drug really.
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Post subject: Re: Proposition 19. Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 9:42 pm |
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Dimethyltryptamine wrote: So far your argument has consisted of-
'facepalm', 'double facepalm', and 'super fail'. You're going great guns! The rest of your poor argument leads back to your inability to read...
Instead of saying all of this, could you try, next time, to just say "I disagree," please?
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Post subject: Re: Proposition 19. Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 10:33 pm |
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Dimethyltryptamine wrote: THC has been proven to provide medical benefits (can cure cancer, as well as AIDs and decreases the effects of nausea).
source
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Post subject: Re: Proposition 19. Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 10:45 pm |
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UnbeatableDevil wrote: Dimethyltryptamine wrote: THC has been proven to provide medical benefits (can cure cancer, as well as AIDs and decreases the effects of nausea).
source Quote: Believe it or not, a Harvard study released on April 17, 2007 shows that the active ingredient in marijuana, THC, cuts tumor growth in common lung cancer in half and significantly reduces the ability of the cancer to spread! http://www.nowpublic.com/thc_marijuana_ ... vard_studyHere is a list of common diseases that marijuana has been known to benefit. We have outlined the basic symptoms and the potential benefits marijuana has on each disease. Quote: ADD/ADHD AIDS Anorexia Arthritis Asthma Auto Accidents Alzheimer’s Disease Brain Injury Cancer Chemotherapy Chronic Pain Chronic Nausea Colitis Crohn’s Disease Epilepsy ESRD/dialysis patients Side effects from Dialysis Fibromyalgia Glaucoma HIV Head Injury Hypertension Irritable Bowel Syndrome Migraines Muscular Dystrophy Multiple Sclerosis Muscle Spasms Nausea Paraplegia Parkinson’s Disease Post Traumatic Stress Disorder Quadriplegia Radiation Therapy Seizure Disorders Sleep Disorders Spinal Cord Injury/Disease Sports Injury Tourette’s Syndrome http://www.medicalmarijuanacure.com/ben ... marijuana/
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Post subject: Re: Proposition 19. Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 10:49 pm |
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So... I heard weed is 20$/g in the States. What a rip off, it's only 10 here 
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Post subject: Re: Proposition 19. Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 10:51 pm |
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$20 gets you 1.4g here 
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Post subject: Re: Proposition 19. Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 10:55 pm |
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Dimethyltryptamine wrote: UnbeatableDevil wrote: Dimethyltryptamine wrote: THC has been proven to provide medical benefits (can cure cancer, as well as AIDs and decreases the effects of nausea).
source Quote: Believe it or not, a Harvard study released on April 17, 2007 shows that the active ingredient in marijuana, THC, cuts tumor growth in common lung cancer in half and significantly reduces the ability of the cancer to spread! http://www.nowpublic.com/thc_marijuana_ ... vard_studyHere is a list of common diseases that marijuana has been known to benefit. We have outlined the basic symptoms and the potential benefits marijuana has on each disease. Quote: ADD/ADHD AIDS Anorexia Arthritis Asthma Auto Accidents Alzheimer’s Disease Brain Injury Cancer Chemotherapy Chronic Pain Chronic Nausea Colitis Crohn’s Disease Epilepsy ESRD/dialysis patients Side effects from Dialysis Fibromyalgia Glaucoma HIV Head Injury Hypertension Irritable Bowel Syndrome Migraines Muscular Dystrophy Multiple Sclerosis Muscle Spasms Nausea Paraplegia Parkinson’s Disease Post Traumatic Stress Disorder Quadriplegia Radiation Therapy Seizure Disorders Sleep Disorders Spinal Cord Injury/Disease Sports Injury Tourette’s Syndrome http://www.medicalmarijuanacure.com/ben ... marijuana/Yeah but does it say it cures any of those...nope
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Post subject: Re: Proposition 19. Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:16 pm |
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who even buys grams anymore? lmfao
45-60$ an 8th here in orange county..
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Post subject: Re: Proposition 19. Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:21 pm |
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.AWAKE. wrote: who even buys grams anymore? lmfao
45-60$ an 8th here in orange county.. High-School students.
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Post subject: Re: Proposition 19. Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:09 am |
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UnbeatableDevil wrote: Yeah but does it say it cures any of those...nope Okay bud, well unlike someone on here, I've actually sourced a number of things I've said or found. Whether or not you believe it is entirely your choice. No skin off my nose. PS. No, there is no indefinite cure for cancer, however marijuana has proven to be beneficial (i.e. in that it shrinks tumors/cancer etc) to cancer sufferers.
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Post subject: Re: Proposition 19. Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:25 am |
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ExSoldier wrote: .AWAKE. wrote: who even buys grams anymore? lmfao
45-60$ an 8th here in orange county.. High-School students. College students
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Post subject: Re: Proposition 19. Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:26 am |
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Dimethyltryptamine wrote: So far your argument has consisted of-
'facepalm', 'double facepalm', and 'super fail'. You're going great guns! The rest of your poor argument leads back to your inability to read...
Thought I was the only one who noticed. Some people just spend way too much on the internet (for all the non-productive reasons) that their vocabulary was reduced to that of a mindless "/b/tard." I really could care less if some people use it from time to time but the ones that just couldn't help themselves is an entirely different case - especially when trying to sound (somewhat) intelligent.
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Post subject: Re: Proposition 19. Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:17 am |
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Dimethyltryptamine wrote: UnbeatableDevil wrote: Yeah but does it say it cures any of those...nope Okay bud, well unlike someone on here, I've actually sourced a number of things I've said or found. Whether or not you believe it is entirely your choice. No skin off my nose. PS. No, there is no indefinite cure for cancer, however marijuana has proven to be beneficial (i.e. in that it shrinks tumors/cancer etc) to cancer sufferers. Yes, but I'm not the one saying marijuana cures cancer/aids etc then sourcing an article that doesn't even have the word "cure" or anything close to it. PS. You pretty much contradicted your own statement w/ that sentence.
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Post subject: Re: Proposition 19. Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:20 am |
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I voted Yes on Prop 19 today.
great success
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Post subject: Re: Proposition 19. Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:24 am |
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Dimethyltryptamine wrote: UnbeatableDevil wrote: Yeah but does it say it cures any of those...nope Okay bud, well unlike someone on here, I've actually sourced a number of things I've said or found. Whether or not you believe it is entirely your choice. No skin off my nose. PS. No, there is no indefinite cure for cancer, however marijuana has proven to be beneficial (i.e. in that it shrinks tumors/cancer etc) to cancer sufferers. Inky, shall I use a more sophisticated vocabulary, because otherwise, my arguments are apparently null and void? This is the most ludicrous argument I have ever seen in my entire life. Not only are you in consummate denial over the inimical repercussions onset by the usage of cannabis, but you are enshrouded in some sort of delusion that it actually alleviates the effects of cancer? You even attack my arguments saying I have no source, and yet you deny to defend the validity of yours? Shall I post some? http://alcoholism.about.com/od/pot/a/effects.-Lya.htmhttp://www.ukcia.org/research/AdverseEf ... nnabis.pdfhttp://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_o ... archtype=aBtw, these are all scholarly articles with scientific testing, not questionnaires. Good try though  That better Inky? Are my arguments valid as of now? Also, reading through some of your incongruous posts, you seem to explain the apparent health benefits of THC. THC MAY have positive effects after cancer is seen in the body, HOWEVER, marijuana causes the onset of various cancers, regardless of THC in it. Also, THC only has positive effects when marijuana is prepared in the correct fashion. Again, you conceal yourself behind the candid facts that most people will use it in an unsafe manner, which indefinitely will lead to cancer, lung infections, and various other adverse health effects. KTHXBAI. O whoops, my argument has just become invalid because I used "/b/speak" which also completely takes away the necessity of you to argue any of what I just said. Edit: Also, you fail to argue any of the four arguments I place against the article you cite. Mainly, that it is a questionnaire, the study creator admits it has various lurking variables (look it up if you need to, considering you don't argue it I assume you must agree, or have no idea what that means), and also it shows no argument against association or causation of marijuana to any of thousands of adverse health effects. ALSO, the wall of text-list you place has various words/phrases that aren't diseases, and also has various conditions that are not actually cured or benefited from marijuana, but the painkilling effects of marijuana may ease the symptoms, which exacerbates the real issues, and hides the actual problems in the body.
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Post subject: Re: Proposition 19. Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:39 am |
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Someone's craving for my approval. I'm flattered. But yes, it's a lot less annoying than your regular responses. You still run around with a condescending attitude but there is some minuscule improvement, overall.
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I would have to agree that marijuana does not cure diseases. It might be linked or a study might correlate it to the treatment of certain illnesses but, so far, not a definite conclusion. It does alleviate pain, however, it does not necessarily exacerbate the underlying condition. Yes, pain is a symptom and an indication that something in our body is "wrong," but the fact that medical marijuana is being used as a narcotic treatment means that the physician is aware of the patient's diagnosis or condition (which is the main reason why it was prescribed in the first place).
My main argument regarding this issue was already stated several pages back. But as I have mentioned, considering all the cons and pros of legalizing marijuana, it all comes back to your personal beliefs on this issue. At this point, any claims on how this would affect the level of drug-related incidents is purely hypothetical - again, there are opposing arguments so whatever you infer from these is simply a reflection of your own principles.
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Post subject: Re: Proposition 19. Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:47 am |
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inky wrote: Someone's craving for my approval. I'm flattered. But yes, it's a lot less annoying than your regular responses. You still run around with a condescending attitude but there is some minuscule improvement, overall. Great. I definitely wrote you don't need to argue back, so it's good that you listened to me 
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