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I noticed it was from xbox.com right as I posted that comment, was too lazy to change it.

The reason they put a kinect with every XBO is to ensure developers will have a good market for their kinect games. It will allow for better kinect games in the end because developers don't have to worry about missing a huge portion of the XBO owners.

I can't see any logical reason behind the 'always on' idea from kinect though.

I'm really just waiting for the next free Xbox360 game (that I will probably already own but alright). They said 1st and 16th, it's the 20th by now and still nothing..

Well, duh! They listened to the consumer for them to buy their products = still lining their pockets.

inb4 they change back to original policies once they sell the system.

I'm much more content with paying for the initial price of the console than having to pay for how they wanted to handle used/shared games.

That's definitely a possibility, but it would literally be the biggest bait and switch of the entire console race.

its too little too late for me...

knowing that they are a company that considered those restrictions in the first place puts serious doubts in my mind to what they will do in the future.

its not that we dont like "change", its that we dont like restrictions.

Bloatware.

I thought the the Kinect was must-on and you could only pause it while playing the game? And I think why a lot of people were choosing the second option, lol.

Its interesting to see what a lot of gamers will do now, but for me it was always the case of 100$ more w/ shittier specs for xbox one that pointed me towards PS (also Uncharted ) so I hope PS has a lot of good exclusives coming up

I'm pretty sure Uncharted is done if you're saying you're waiting another one.

I haven't finished UC3 yet so don't spoil the ending for me >.<, but what I meant was, UC4 if there is going to be, if not, any franchise that Naughty Dog moves on to next.
I doubt they will make Last of Us a series, it feels like a standalone game. I think I read somewhere that Naughty Dog was split into two teams, one to make UC3 and one for LOU. Regardless what their next title is, i hope it comes out in 2014 because it does have a lot of influence on whether PS fans (like me) will move on to PS4 or get xbox, cause you know, Naughty Dog.

What i'm saying is, UC series = best ever, and that Sony should throw all their money to make Infamous and The Order launch titles if possible, and Killzone good.

The studio got big enough where they were able to split up onto different projects, but I'm sure they grabbed a lot of the staff to finish up Last of Us. I haven't played Last of Us, but I don't expect it to pull a bullshit move and make a sequel. It's better off that way.

If they make another Uncharted I'd be greatly disappointed. It's a game that doesn't need to contentiously go on and the story is more or less finished.

I guess M$ saw how bad they were getting spanked in pre-orders so they decided to remove the DRM.
Personally, I've been a die hard Xbox guy since day 1, but I won't consider an Xbox until they drop the price to $399 and remove Kinect.
$100 extra for something I'm never ever going to use with even less powerful hardware. Nope.

This gen will end up like the last gen, the Xbox is going to age badly again unless they beef up the hardware throughout the cycle.
PS4 is still going to outsell it worldwide, and mostly like in the US, too.

I agree about the Last of Us, it really seems like a one-off game.
About UC, eh I never felt the different titles were connected in the story by anyway, its the gameplay thats really good and I dont really mind if they made another one, with maybe less linearity and all. I know what you are saying about it becoming a continuously rehashed title though.

@Rawr, yup I mean I dont mind the Kinect, but surely they could drop the price to atleast like 349$ considering they have shittier performance and have probably already made up the money invested into Kinect. PS has always been more popular worldwide compared to xbox (I know in Nepal it is, +sales figures ofc) so I dont doubt that, hopefully they will be able to close up the ridiculous gap in NA though, w/ better price + close release

They have Gran Turismo 6 and Beyond: Two Souls releasing in Fall 2013 for PS3. I think it woulda been a smarter move to release them on PS$ as exclusives but eh, Good Guy Sony for still supporting PS3 but hopefully they will port them over to PS4 aswell, to rack up the exclusives they have.

Looks like they should call this the "Xbox 180" lolol

I'm sorry I do not follow. What do you mean by that?

And is the hardware really that much worse? From what I remember seeing/reading it's pretty close, even though the ps4 will have some better things.

MS is just the Sony from last release when their console was the more expensive one. Oh well

I wouldn't have wanted to see this 180 on Microsoft's side so early, then it would have hurt them more. Oh well.

0.0 it ages pretty well considering that nintendo's wii barely made it off the mark with 3rd party games... it didnt even get COD MW until MW2 came out -.-

Bloatware is shoving in useless crap inside your package. Kinect, in my opinion, is crap. I understand that Microsoft wanted Kinect to be widely available so developers can take advantage of it, but personally? I don't want it. I don't care for it despite how neat the tech it has. Shoving it into the box raises up the price for a reason I personally don't care for.

I really wanted both to do great so I end up buying X1 in a few years, I probably still will, to play some of the missed exclusives.. if they even announce any good ones by then.

I was open to both until Microsoft shown off TV, blog post about DRM, no interesting games at E3(Not like Sony had any either, but TGS is in a onth), and then to backpeddle and say they listened to their fans? What a load of shit. Any smart marketer would have saw the #PS4NoDRM campaign and Microsoft would have changed their minds before preorders. I guess Microsoft thought people were willing to eat shit and preorder numbers shown otherwise.

The 'family' package was a nice idea, but it's just not the right time. You cannot take away anything that's been the norm for so long. Someone should have known they would have had a backlash at it. They still can have that 'family' package with digital purchases, but they won't. That's how you ease people into change. You don't forcefully take it all away. There's a lot of research about change and how it effects people. Someone should have known psychology and knew this would have happened.

One thing I did find funny was Cliffy B bitching and moaning how developers deserve their money and hate Microsoft for turning back on the family plan. When in reality all they had to do was make a better game and everybody wish to buy and play. If he's really that butthurt about used sales then just release digitally only. It's not hard to turn your back on brick and mortar stores. Retail? You probably make 30%. Digitally? 70%. Not shoving hats into your buy to play game and whine like a baby.

That's me just getting off topic now.



X1 is pretty much the PS3 on release. The focus on every other form of entertainment where the video games are last on the list. It's a video game console. That's why people were pissed when they had the big reveal around television and sports. Their main market doesn't care about it, they want games. It was a bad idea to show off TV part before showing the games. Though there is one thing the PS3 offered that the X1 doesn't, and that is a cheaper functionality of something else at the time ie bluray.



Both engines were probably made purely for the cell. Porting them over would be a loooooooot of work. Which is presumably why GT6 was announce not too long ago. They can't wait and have to get it out this season due to new consoles. Then they can start working on a PS4 version, I wouldn't be surprised if they already are.

One thing I don't get is that Polyphony is part of Sony's world wide studios. They should have known about the PS4 a year or two ago. I guess GT6 was knee deep so they went ahead and finished.



The entire generation aged badly, but doesn't stop fun from happening. One thing I'm excited to see is that games are going to jump from 2005 development to 2013. I see physics based particles being the next ragdoll.

lol I knew there's no way they would allow this family sharing stuff. That basically just ensured all your games become used games 10 times. Screw Microsoft for acting like it was some great feature, its a freakin demo lol. Don't see how they could even call that sharing.
All I can do now is lol at the idiots that defended Microsoft and wanted this "revolutionary feature".

True?... Or, a bunch of lies? xD

So yup, its basically just a demo system. Funny how when they presented it they said "anyone in your family list can play the game". Funnier that Xbox fans are now bitching about losing the system because they think its a 10-way share function . Its a neat feature, but obviously a way to make people want to buy games by making demos more accessible, not Microsoft being good guys and letting a group share their games within eachother. Funniest is that the MS was so excited about the feature as if it was a great feat ~,o

@Toshiburi; I forgot about them being made on Cell, I'm guessing their release on PS4 would be much later than launch date then :/. I really dont get the idea behind it, why not just compete head to head w/ Forza at launch. Instead they have Driveclub at launch, which is a arcade game..

IMO PS3 did get some real nice exclusives towards the end of the generation compared to Xbox, I just hope it doesn't take them like 2-3 years into PS4 for them to start making good exclusives :/

Wait it was a Farking demo system? Oh god, I thought it was just a single player game sharing thing considering I knew they won't allow MP. I love how he bashes Sony with game sharing, but Sony has put out quite a bit of 1 hour demos, for PS+ users.

I love how genuinely he thought it was a genius idea to include demos and no resale. Oh my god. If they were going to do that then there would no way I'd be paying $60 for a game, even though I don't even trade/sell my games though will lend games once in awhile when I was back at home.

So I went ahead and read that pastebin, assuming a real MS employee typed that up. I know he won't read it and I doubt anyone else here will read my tl;dr rant, but I just wanted to do so.


No, there is no reason to have exclusives other than to attempt to push hardware sales. It is cancer much like Kinect.



Going 100% digital would remove all used sales, but why would anyone do that? They lose out on B&M stores carrying their game and people didn't have 500gb harddrives on their console. It's very reasonable to do that now. In fact I have another better solution, how about making a good game? Horse armor was a joke and probably an experiment much like hats, which were very successful may I add.

That isn't the correct solution to anything and neither is DRM. Making the better product is the only resolution that any of these dev studios should be doing. I can't imagine what CD Projekt Red would have done if they have known about the DRM and that the console wasn't going to be available in Poland. Those actions drive away [your] customers and partners.



Such horse shit. If they weren't spending half their budget on CGI and advertisements then they wouldn't be needing so much to recuperate their spending. In short you have alternatives such as selling merchandise. Look at Valve, though not very successful, they have a store that people jump to buy. If shipping wasn't so much then I would have bought multiple products from them by now, but at $10 shipping on every order? Nope.

I could go on with every other media claiming only one consumer they have, but I won't.



Hahahaha. HAHAHAHA. Movies have a higher budget and yet they still make their money back, but video games can't. There's a reason why and it's because their products are usually shit. See: Bioware since the acquisition for example. Rockstar is probably one of the only devs that spend 100 million dollars on a video game and recovers their money. Max Payne 3 may have not been successful, but I'm sure it made money. Why is that? Oh that's right, they make great games I wish to purchase.

Buying used games generate word of mouth, but if people are constantly selling it then you have a better question to answer, Why are they selling it?



And that is to force resale to be improbable? Go digital if you want that and have bullshit like non transferable license. I have a physical disc and I should have the right to do whatever I wish with it.



Is dis ***** srs?



Funny, I feel like Xbox One is like Vista whereas PS4 seems to be like Win7. Vista was decent, but it had a lot of issues. Tried to innovate in a way, but failed. Windows 7 just went ahead and stuck with what people wanted and became successful.

I understand very well that whatever you make is your baby. If someone calls it shit, even though it is shit, you get offended and try to shut down their opinion. I've been there and I know very well. One difference is I took some of their input and made my freshman projects better. I didn't flip them off and tell them to deal with it.. well I did when time was running out on some shitty opinions.

This guy is so Farking full of it that it makes me disgusted that I live in Redmond.

Yup kinda ridiculous to see all these people on X1 fans on forums now bitching about losing the ability to..share demos of games with a group of people...Can't blame them though, MS was pretty vague on the whole family sharing idea.'
Personally I think Gamestop is a total ripoff (for people who trade in), haven't really bought any used games from there, but the fact is, theres no chance Microsoft would have lowered the prices and added in "steam-like" sales to make up for the stupid restrictions on lending/selling. They are a company after $$ after all

Except some announcements at Tokyo Game Show in a couple months. Sony did claim they have 40 games in the works from all of their first party studios with 100 games being released in PS4's first year. How many of it being indie PSN titles? Who knows. I'd say over half.



Speaking of Gamestop, why are these publishers partnering up with them for DLC? I'm totally confused.

I knew Microsoft wouldn't have made any sort of deals near Steam or developers making their games worth spending $50 for. All I hear is studios whining about costs when in reality 50% of their budget goes to advertisement. Witcher 2 spent like 20% of their budget on a CGI trailer. Imagine how much these big studios are spending to create the trailer for E3, the special demo for E3 that isn't part of the actual game, and so on.

Yup I read that Sony usually unveils their main stuff at the Tokyo Game Show, its also within ~two months of their launch date so they could probably build more hype for some games.
I don't really know about the costs of game development so I can't say anything on that, but don't the publishers handle advertisement, and also most of the profit? I guess you could say if publishers got more money (by getting rid of used games), studios would have bigger budgets, but eh most likely they would just rehash the same titles/squeeze the studios and bathe in the cash.

eh budgets vary from purely time, indie games, to a hundred or two million dollars. It really depends on how big your studio is and how long you're making the game. Advertisement is usually the huge sink in these big games, because that's clearly the importance of selling your game, not making a better product obviously.

As who deals with the advertisements.. well it's usually management. Publishers just give them the money and intervene with the project as in "CoD is successful, make that!" due to investors. So money is shoved into massive campaigns such as Mass Effect 3. Ads were EVERYWHERE on the internet for example. It even had an ad to be played during The Walking Dead. The Witcher 2 spent like 20% of their budget on a CGI trailer and they had something like a 10million budget, but mind you they're based in poland and not getting 100k salaries like people in the US are. Bloated salaries is an issue among the game industry. A lot of people straight out of college are being hired are another issue. They're not being paid like 100k, but they're shit at their job. So these studios hire them why? Because they're cheap. Examples of it is heavily shown in recent Bioware games.

Every big name studio hires people with experience and want to know what your job was in previous jobs except a lot of shit studios don't. Then they do some tests to see if you're good or shit. Someone I've met since being in Redmond his dad pretty much does the hiring of the Microsoft division and he told me his dad always asks no matter what the same 3 questions

-Write an application for the Fibonacci sequence
Why? I'm not entirely sure.

-Write an application for a linked list
In C++ there is already a library written for this, but a lot of people don't understand it. Using it is just like a magic box to a lot of people. It's pretty much what it's called, a linked list as in dynamically allocated memory shoved into a list that is linked.

-I forgot the third

And he turns down a lot of applicants because they don't know how to make a linked list. What does this have to do what I'm saying? More or less quality control doesn't exist in a lot of companies so they waste money and produce a shitty game.

linked list? array?

Family sharing a demo system... Guess I'm glad they removed it then because that is total bullshit.

Both are magic boxes to people, but more of the first considering it's in the STL and nobody bothers to learn about it. Afterall it's been done and perfected.

The Family Sharing plan is obviously an advertisement, but its somewhat of a neat feature, I'm sure Sony could have implemented it aswell. I think a shitload of people would have been disappointed come November when they found out what it was.

MS still has a lot of catching up to do.
Don't let the sensationalist articles fool people.
Xbox One is selling more this very moment, but overall it's hundreds of thousands of units behind.

the mainstream news headlines are kinda stupid, they seem to think that Xbox One already overtook PS4's launch edition, when in reality PS4 launch has already sold out, and the rest of PS4s are being sold in bundles (3 of which are in the top 10), so in total they could be well more than X1.
I think what matters is whether a lot of people will cancel their ps4 pre-orders after the announcement though.