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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:44 pm |
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Locketart wrote: Stormprobe wrote: XemnasXD wrote: Locketart wrote: Aside from the ethical reasons, if pregnant men can give birth to completely healthy babies, I see no problem with it. It would give couples a choice to who would carry the baby. Maybe there could be problems with the female: drinks, smokes, disease. This way the male could carry the baby and no teratogens would harm the fetus. rational thinking...in 5 pages its so rare yet here you are You all also forgot that what if the baby is a girl and it has to Much Testosterone Genes. Won't this mess up her gene's and cause her to be alot harrier then the other girl's To that sort . or am i wrong? lol Have you ever taken a biology course?
No why? only 13
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:49 pm |
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Locketart wrote: I figured.
Why was i wrong =p ? lol
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:51 pm |
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Xyzzzy wrote: southkorea321 wrote: Xyzzzy wrote: southkorea321 wrote: Xyzzzy wrote: southkorea321 wrote: Its against moral reasons. Just THINK for a moment. Does it SEEM right? NO!
Forget about "human rights" completely and think about it-does it SEEM right? NEVER.
Are you a Creationist? I see you point from you prior post and no I am pro evolution that is why I support this research until it is outlawed I will be behind it what most people don't realize is that medicine was punishable by death before but see where it has gotten us now? somethings will get shot down other things wont Why? What will it bring? What in hell's name will pregnant men bring? An endless, endless controversy? New laws to "protect" these "human" babies? Conflicts between such "human" kids and normal kids? Or what? Scientific benefits? Medical advances? Or how about a new rift in society, just like gays have become? A new, new group of people ultimately, forever seperated from normal human beings? That the kind of benefits this "research" will bring? It is only what you make of it. People who view other races as inferior only believe it because they want to. For all we know, this could become one of the most beneficial advances in a long time. Now youre just dragging this whole thing by its feet. You still havent said why its such a "good thing" for the world. How is it beneficial? Couples who can not get pregnant male couples who want to be able to have their own baby all I'm saying is we shouldn't shun it until we see how it affects the world
atm it has no benefits, except for the 1 locktart stated.
overpopulation will kill any research for this.
atm a pregnant man is pointless.
the only reason i would support this is just 2 see if its possible.
other than that i dont see a point.
when we have a shortage of women.
or a majority of homosexual men [which would actually curb overpopulation, but pregnant dudes would increase the population so -_- SHIT]
then i can see this being used.
but pregnant dudes there is NOTHING MORALLY wrong with that,
its just different... thats all.
back in the day.
alot of people died, from natural causes... [ill-heatlh and all that shiz]
now people die from mostly old age, which imo is dumb.
the only things humans had left 2 control thier own population was war...
now with all this hippy peace shiz... our population is booming.
its a pile of bull.
i support a pregnant man because its interesting.
and SK i understand where your coming from... i understand... the chinese... korea... japan... vassels... mongols... wars... bad history BAD BLOOD between ya'll... [history FTW/L]
point is...
ATM it is POINTLESS.
i think we should make people concieve less...
or at least start some wars...
there are 2 many of us....
way 2 many...
lol i support genetic engineering... because it will destroy [almost] humans
imagine being able 2 order your child with anything.
and once they prove homosexuality is hereditary.../ chemical
and master genetic engineering..
well first off
more babies
and secondly LESS DIVERSE GENE POOL
that equals death.
any species whose gene pool is limited
shall perish.
Pregnant man ok i can live with that.
pregnant man ordering a child who will
be straight
have "asian" hair
green eyes
tan skin
female
double Ds
small waist
big hips
prefers non fatty foods
long legs
huge friggen bird wings oO
no abnormalities [mental and physical]
[yep people will order perfect boys and girls, this will lead 2 most people being basically the same.]
AND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN EVERY1 IS THE SAME... [reletively the same]
EVOLUTION KILLS YOU 
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:55 pm |
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for heaven sake barotix use paragraphs for once....
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:57 pm |
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Barotix wrote: Xyzzzy wrote: southkorea321 wrote: Xyzzzy wrote: southkorea321 wrote: Xyzzzy wrote: southkorea321 wrote: Its against moral reasons. Just THINK for a moment. Does it SEEM right? NO!
Forget about "human rights" completely and think about it-does it SEEM right? NEVER.
Are you a Creationist? I see you point from you prior post and no I am pro evolution that is why I support this research until it is outlawed I will be behind it what most people don't realize is that medicine was punishable by death before but see where it has gotten us now? somethings will get shot down other things wont Why? What will it bring? What in hell's name will pregnant men bring? An endless, endless controversy? New laws to "protect" these "human" babies? Conflicts between such "human" kids and normal kids? Or what? Scientific benefits? Medical advances? Or how about a new rift in society, just like gays have become? A new, new group of people ultimately, forever seperated from normal human beings? That the kind of benefits this "research" will bring? It is only what you make of it. People who view other races as inferior only believe it because they want to. For all we know, this could become one of the most beneficial advances in a long time. Now youre just dragging this whole thing by its feet. You still havent said why its such a "good thing" for the world. How is it beneficial? Couples who can not get pregnant male couples who want to be able to have their own baby all I'm saying is we shouldn't shun it until we see how it affects the world atm it has no benefits, except for the 1 locktart stated. overpopulation will kill any research for this. atm a pregnant man is pointless. the only reason i would support this is just 2 see if its possible. other than that i dont see a point. when we have a shortage of women. or a majority of homosexual men [which would actually curb overpopulation, but pregnant dudes would increase the population so -_- SHIT] then i can see this being used. but pregnant dudes there is NOTHING MORALLY wrong with that, its just different... thats all. back in the day. alot of people died, from natural causes... [ill-heatlh and all that shiz] now people die from mostly old age, which imo is dumb. the only things humans had left 2 control thier own population was war... now with all this hippy peace shiz... our population is booming. its a pile of bull. i support a pregnant man because its interesting. and SK i understand where your coming from... i understand... the chinese... korea... japan... vassels... mongols... wars... bad history BAD BLOOD between ya'll... [history FTW/L] point is... ATM it is POINTLESS. i think we should make people concieve less... or at least start some wars... there are 2 many of us.... way 2 many... lol i support genetic engineering... because it will destroy [almost] humans  imagine being able 2 order your child with anything. and once they prove homosexuality is hereditary.../ chemical and master genetic engineering.. well first off more babies and secondly LESS DIVERSE GENE POOL that equals death. any species whose gene pool is limited shall perish. Pregnant man ok i can live with that. pregnant man ordering a child who will be straight have "asian" hair green eyes tan skin female double Ds small waist big hips prefers non fatty foods long legs huge friggen bird wings oO no abnormalities [mental and physical] [yep people will order perfect boys and girls, this will lead 2 most people being basically the same.] AND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN EVERY1 IS THE SAME... [reletively the same] EVOLUTION KILLS YOU 
Ahh thx for bringing this up. Also what about the PedaFiles? What if they order a girl to tehre spculations? AN if this male pregnancy did you happen you know that there are those pervert's who do it with there OffSpring
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:17 pm |
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Barotix wrote: human animal hybrids AKA chimeras
I'm not trying to start anything, but I don't want people reading this and thinking we've got interspecies folk walking about.
Chimarism has absolutely nothing to do with two different animals sharing blood or being hybrid. It's when an individual of a species has two blood types within itself. Happens separately with humans, cows, cats, dogs...what have you. Not in-between.
On Topic; Even though the article is fake, my personal opinion is that it's wrong to even consider it. It's not evolution, it's blatant scientific mutation. Something we as a species shouldn't tamper with. Wrong on so many levels.
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 7:24 pm |
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I've been thinking this article and now that I've thought about it, I changed my mind. I think that science should leave certain aspects of nature alone. Nature has already given us much and we still are not satisfied with it and now we are destroying nature. We need to stop taking nature for granted and actually start to appreciate it. I take it that some of you have seen what nature can do in the power of human hands. It will be hell of course because nature wasn't made to be tamed. If we hadn't messed with nature then we would have all these crisis going on in the world today.
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 7:52 pm |
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by nature, u must not mean sea horses then? cuz male seahorses carry eggs.
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 7:54 pm |
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TOloseGT wrote: by nature, u must not mean sea horses then? cuz male seahorses carry eggs.
yea but nature did that not science
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 7:54 pm |
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StuckUP wrote: I've been thinking this article and now that I've thought about it, I changed my mind. I think that science should leave certain aspects of nature alone. Nature has already given us much and we still are not satisfied with it and now we are destroying nature. We need to stop taking nature for granted and actually start to appreciate it. I take it that some of you have seen what nature can do in the power of human hands. It will be hell of course because nature wasn't made to be tamed. If we hadn't messed with nature then we would have all these crisis going on in the world today.
its called evolution if your so in favor of nature then legalize drugs and rape since those where part of nature , also killing, killing each other is nature and while ur at it add 2 nature abandoning unwanted children thats nature. killing animals is nature what else?
uhmm men beating on women
also child abuse and nature cant be owning a computer this computer is generated by electricity which was generated by burning coal turn ur pc off thats not nature it didnt come form the ground.
nature is ur enviroment how you grow and change if we find a way 2 be a single splitting cell and science can achive this then it could fix all these problems, if you open ur third eye you start 2 realized alot of things ppl do r for sex sub or awake. if we can change it we can make it nature
we get disease doctors shouldnt
exist b/c maybe ppl should die cuz they got a natural disease if your so infavor of nature no medical fields lets go back 2 living in a cave if your so nature l i dont c u promoting this side of nature we changed
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 7:58 pm |
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i believe in choice. so if a guy wants to go thru wit pregnancy, all the power to him.
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 8:10 pm |
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Silver0 wrote: StuckUP wrote: I've been thinking this article and now that I've thought about it, I changed my mind. I think that science should leave certain aspects of nature alone. Nature has already given us much and we still are not satisfied with it and now we are destroying nature. We need to stop taking nature for granted and actually start to appreciate it. I take it that some of you have seen what nature can do in the power of human hands. It will be hell of course because nature wasn't made to be tamed. If we hadn't messed with nature then we would have all these crisis going on in the world today. its called evolution if your so in favor of nature then legalize drugs and rape since those where part of nature , also killing, killing each other is nature and while ur at it add 2 nature abandoning unwanted children thats nature. killing animals is nature what else? uhmm men beating on women also child abuse and nature cant be owning a computer this computer is generated by electricity which was generated by burning coal turn ur pc off thats not nature it didnt come form the ground. nature is ur enviroment how you grow and change if we find a way 2 be a single splitting cell and science can achive this then it could fix all these problems, if you open ur third eye you start 2 realized alot of things ppl do r for sex sub or awake
-.- that is not apart of nature. If you weren't so ignorant and narrow minded you would see that the other animals don't kill and rape and blow up places. You twisted my point into a whole nother thing. I didn't say we shouldn't own a computer, or try to find a cure for illnesses i said we should accept nature as it is and leave it alone. We humans are very paranoid and we shun things we don't understand and because of that we are constantly trying to control things and trying to find out about everything. we should take the term curiosity killed the cat seriously.
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 8:14 pm |
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StuckUP wrote: -.- that is not apart of nature. If you weren't so ignorant and narrow minded you would see that the other animals don't kill and rape and blow up places. You twisted my point into a whole nother thing. I didn't say we shouldn't own a computer, or try to find a cure for illnesses i said we should accept nature as it is and leave it alone. We humans are very paranoid and we shun things we don't understand and because of that we are constantly trying to control things and trying to find out about everything. we should take the term curiosity killed the cat seriously.
hypocrite if we leave nature as it is then illness shouldnt be cured
animals do kill.rape.and destroy each other r u blind,and curiosity got us where we are at you wouldnt exist if we let nature be
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 8:19 pm |
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Silver0 wrote: StuckUP wrote: -.- that is not apart of nature. If you weren't so ignorant and narrow minded you would see that the other animals don't kill and rape and blow up places. You twisted my point into a whole nother thing. I didn't say we shouldn't own a computer, or try to find a cure for illnesses i said we should accept nature as it is and leave it alone. We humans are very paranoid and we shun things we don't understand and because of that we are constantly trying to control things and trying to find out about everything. we should take the term curiosity killed the cat seriously.
hypocrite if we leave nature as it is then illness shouldnt be cured animals do kill each other r u blind,and curiosity got us where we are at you wouldnt exist if we let nature be
animals kill each other only when needed, and notice in my speech I said certain aspects of nature should be left alone. And yes curiosity got us where we are but must we pry and poke at things that are not our business?
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 8:21 pm |
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Shadowman20818 wrote: They're also doing research for asexual women, soon humans will be like trees, but since we're the only race to have sex for fun anyways, we'll still need men and women.
About the science:
It's actually very interesting that they would mention hemorrhage as that was the first thing I though of. Women through pregnancy develop to prepare them for pregnacy. (Most obvious being wider hips) I'm surprised the body did not react critically to the rise in estrogen and gonadotropin. Similarly it was weird that the body did not attack the placenta and kill the baby.
Also, the info is scarce, seems a little fake.
Actually (sorry if this is already posted)
Dolphins have sex for pleasure aswell. 
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 8:23 pm |
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Arnold Schwarzenegger already did it.
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 8:26 pm |
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StuckUP wrote: Silver0 wrote: StuckUP wrote: -.- that is not apart of nature. If you weren't so ignorant and narrow minded you would see that the other animals don't kill and rape and blow up places. You twisted my point into a whole nother thing. I didn't say we shouldn't own a computer, or try to find a cure for illnesses i said we should accept nature as it is and leave it alone. We humans are very paranoid and we shun things we don't understand and because of that we are constantly trying to control things and trying to find out about everything. we should take the term curiosity killed the cat seriously.
hypocrite if we leave nature as it is then illness shouldnt be cured animals do kill each other r u blind,and curiosity got us where we are at you wouldnt exist if we let nature be animals kill each other only when needed, and notice in my speech I said certain aspects of nature should be left alone. And yes curiosity got us where we are but must we pry and poke at things that are not our business?
rofl i bet if u had a cancer and the only cure was with stem cells u telling me ull refuse it since its against nature
dont cover 1 of ur eyes take it or leave it cant be ill take 50%
on these issues there is always exeptions but there is 2many ppl 2 sort them out
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Silver0 wrote: StuckUP wrote: Silver0 wrote: StuckUP wrote: -.- that is not apart of nature. If you weren't so ignorant and narrow minded you would see that the other animals don't kill and rape and blow up places. You twisted my point into a whole nother thing. I didn't say we shouldn't own a computer, or try to find a cure for illnesses i said we should accept nature as it is and leave it alone. We humans are very paranoid and we shun things we don't understand and because of that we are constantly trying to control things and trying to find out about everything. we should take the term curiosity killed the cat seriously.
hypocrite if we leave nature as it is then illness shouldnt be cured animals do kill each other r u blind,and curiosity got us where we are at you wouldnt exist if we let nature be animals kill each other only when needed, and notice in my speech I said certain aspects of nature should be left alone. And yes curiosity got us where we are but must we pry and poke at things that are not our business? rofl i bet if u had a cancer and the only cure was with stem cells u telling me ull refuse it since its against nature dont cover 1 of ur eyes take it or leave it cant be ill take 50% on these issues there is always exeptions but there is 2many ppl 2 sort them out
you don't get my point and never will and you do almost anything to make me look bad so I'm done with this.
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StuckUP wrote: Silver0 wrote: StuckUP wrote: Silver0 wrote: StuckUP wrote: -.- that is not apart of nature. If you weren't so ignorant and narrow minded you would see that the other animals don't kill and rape and blow up places. You twisted my point into a whole nother thing. I didn't say we shouldn't own a computer, or try to find a cure for illnesses i said we should accept nature as it is and leave it alone. We humans are very paranoid and we shun things we don't understand and because of that we are constantly trying to control things and trying to find out about everything. we should take the term curiosity killed the cat seriously.
hypocrite if we leave nature as it is then illness shouldnt be cured animals do kill each other r u blind,and curiosity got us where we are at you wouldnt exist if we let nature be animals kill each other only when needed, and notice in my speech I said certain aspects of nature should be left alone. And yes curiosity got us where we are but must we pry and poke at things that are not our business? rofl i bet if u had a cancer and the only cure was with stem cells u telling me ull refuse it since its against nature dont cover 1 of ur eyes take it or leave it cant be ill take 50% on these issues there is always exeptions but there is 2many ppl 2 sort them out you don't get my point and never will and you do almost anything to make me look bad so I'm done with this.
aww =( damm i get ur point and i some what agree with it myself its just look at the broad idea that who is 2 say you know what parts of nature we can change or not ,anyone in general imagen when ppl thought slvary was nature and not having slaves was against nature or stuff like these times change ppl change and with this new ideas and new thigns are created w/o curiosity and changing or trying 2 make them better we will never step ahead even if it goes against what ever moral laws some ppl have created in there mind
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Stormprobe wrote: XemnasXD wrote: Locketart wrote: Aside from the ethical reasons, if pregnant men can give birth to completely healthy babies, I see no problem with it. It would give couples a choice to who would carry the baby. Maybe there could be problems with the female: drinks, smokes, disease. This way the male could carry the baby and no teratogens would harm the fetus. rational thinking...in 5 pages its so rare yet here you are You all also forgot that what if the baby is a girl and it has to Much Testosterone Genes. Won't this mess up her gene's and cause her to be alot harrier then the other girl's To that sort . or am i wrong? lol
Does that mean every child to this day that a woman delivered will have to much oesterogen? And this same argument goes to whoever said that the baby will be gay, is every child born from a female a lesbain?
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I dont feel like posting the processes involved before, during and after pregnancy. But for the uninitiated it is a worthwhile read. You'll quickly understand why it would be hard to mimic the processes in a male host.
About how science should/shouldnt meddle with nature, the simple answer is that science is the pure pursuit of knowledge. Scientists never question if we should/shouldnt, but if we could. Curiosity killed the cat, but its actions advanced feline behavior for survival.
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Food for thought for some people if this were real.
We know that each parent donates one gene that determines a child's sex, with XX being for woman and XY being for men.
So what would happen if the child was YY? o.O If males could get pregnant to another male, this would be a severe problem, seeing we have no idea what it would be like.
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"Junior" is really a crap movie
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Necrobat wrote: Food for thought for some people if this were real.
We know that each parent donates one gene that determines a child's sex, with XX being for woman and XY being for men.
So what would happen if the child was YY? o.O If males could get pregnant to another male, this would be a severe problem, seeing we have no idea what it would be like.
A woman is still needed, an egg is taken from a woman and a sperm sample from a man. They are then merged in a lab and placed inside the man
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was going to say this can not be possible because there would be no where for the baby to grow as men do not have the necessary parts in order for the baby to grow sorry guys but its true us women rule when it comes to babies.
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Necrobat wrote: Food for thought for some people if this were real.
We know that each parent donates one gene that determines a child's sex, with XX being for woman and XY being for men.
So what would happen if the child was YY? o.O If males could get pregnant to another male, this would be a severe problem, seeing we have no idea what it would be like.
YY isnt compatible with life (assuming if we artificially synthesize it). Theres alot of genes on X that Y doesnt have, that we need in order to function normally.
Hmph, nobody suggested that males couldnt receive a uterus transplant . Of course the immunosuppressant (antirejection) drugs would compromise the pregnancy, also other complications such as hormonal interactions/feedback that would interfere with normal uteral maintenance.
Our genetic engineering tech is nowhere near in making a genetically similar, nonimmunorejectable uterus for a "male" hybrid should I say, as there has to be some major physiological overhaul to allow these organs to coexist in the same individual (hermaphrodites are different, and usually sterile). Lolz, this is just me ranting sci-fi stuff.
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Sylhana wrote: Necrobat wrote: Food for thought for some people if this were real.
We know that each parent donates one gene that determines a child's sex, with XX being for woman and XY being for men.
So what would happen if the child was YY? o.O If males could get pregnant to another male, this would be a severe problem, seeing we have no idea what it would be like. YY isnt compatible with life (assuming if we artificially synthesize it). Theres alot of genes on X that Y doesnt have, that we need in order to function normally.
Hmph, nobody suggested that males couldnt receive a uterus transplant . Of course the immunosuppressant (antirejection) drugs would compromise the pregnancy, also other complications such as hormonal interactions/feedback that would interfere with normal uteral maintenance.
Our genetic engineering tech is nowhere near in making a genetically similar, nonimmunorejectable uterus for a "male" hybrid should I say, as there has to be some major physiological overhaul to allow these organs to coexist in the same individual (hermaphrodites are different, and usually sterile). Lolz, this is just me ranting sci-fi stuff.
Juding by what you said it would be easier to just take the eggs and raise it in a tube rather than transplant it into a male...and your probably right.
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XemnasXD wrote: Sylhana wrote: Necrobat wrote: Food for thought for some people if this were real.
We know that each parent donates one gene that determines a child's sex, with XX being for woman and XY being for men.
So what would happen if the child was YY? o.O If males could get pregnant to another male, this would be a severe problem, seeing we have no idea what it would be like. YY isnt compatible with life (assuming if we artificially synthesize it). Theres alot of genes on X that Y doesnt have, that we need in order to function normally.
Hmph, nobody suggested that males couldnt receive a uterus transplant . Of course the immunosuppressant (antirejection) drugs would compromise the pregnancy, also other complications such as hormonal interactions/feedback that would interfere with normal uteral maintenance.
Our genetic engineering tech is nowhere near in making a genetically similar, nonimmunorejectable uterus for a "male" hybrid should I say, as there has to be some major physiological overhaul to allow these organs to coexist in the same individual (hermaphrodites are different, and usually sterile). Lolz, this is just me ranting sci-fi stuff.Juding by what you said it would be easier to just take the eggs and raise it in a tube rather than transplant it into a male...and your probably right.
...tube as in...penis?
now theres a concept
*edit*
just thought about that..ouch 
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