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This COULD be a sick reference to how we'd all be surrendering our freedom by giving up guns completely but I don't think it is and it's depressing

toys can be replaced with other things to entertain children.
people must sleep even kids.

no one NEEDS a gun. (not including police and military)
you dont need a gun for hunting or do you need a gun for sports.
but i agree with azilius in that we need to lock everyone up in the world in order to prevent this from ever happening again. everyone should be locked up alone but they are at least allowed to own a gun because that doesnt matter at all.

there is no good that a gun does that removes all the bad it has caused. clearly we need to give everyone the right to murder people because that would at least allow gun laws to stay the same.

Have a bunch of minorities join the NRA, instant gun control.

You want a realistic solution? Start with the source of the problem, people.

Banning this gun or that gun because it does this or looks like that will do nothing to curb the violence here. Psychological evals, education, counseling, etc might be a good start. Education as a whole in this country BLOWS and I think is THE major source of a lot of our problems.

penfold, there is so much ignorance in your posts. I wouldn't know where to start...

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/2012/ ... story.html

Guys another shooting! OMG!!!

All I have to say is, why should your right to own a gun infringe on my right to be safe at a mall, theater, a school, or even call my firefighters? This shit is serious to me because there was a threat of a shooting at my school. Some dude said he was going to shoot our graduation class and had a list, regulation is needed!

You think being surrounded by hundreds of unarmed civilians makes you safer when a CRIMINAL with a gun decides he wants to shoot people in said mall? Strong logic.

Also, no one is advocating we arm every man, woman, and child. BUT, if I go through the training to acquire a conceal carry permit I damn well expect to be able to carry it anywhere. And trust me, you'd be much safer surrounded by a couple CCW holders than a bunch of unarmed citizens.

Okay here is where my problem begins with gun advocates, I know from experience that when you look down the barrel of a loaded gun you freeze and it doesn't matter if your holding a stick or an ar-15. People are emotional being and I don't want some pissed off ccw holder shooting up a Walmart on black Friday cause someone took the last Xbox. There are gun free zones for a reason.

At this point I say fk it let the gun guys get their dream and take away gun free zones. Watch how quickly they change their ideals when they get to have a closed casket funeral for their seven year old who has a bullet hole where their eye is supposed to be.

Yet another person that has never been around guns, and has no idea about permit holders... lol You can go to jail just for flashing your weapon, or removing it from it's holster...

I would say, if I'm in a mall, I'd hope there would be a person with a concealed carry there, but I carry myself, and I'm quite the crack shot, so I wouldn't hesitate to take the crazy out if he's directly endangering me or my family's lives. But yeah, your guys' idea of disarming all law abiding citizens makes sooooo much sense...

I live in a family of hunters and gun owners so yes I have used and lived around guns my entire life. I have also been victim to a home invasion with guns and other assorted deadly goodies in the house and we still got robbed my stance on gun control is because I experienced the hypothetical situations that you guys have thrown around. I have experience and you have what again?

I knew I should have avoided this thread.

It is legal to carry in Walmart, people do it all the time and you are totally unaware. How many mass shootings have there been in Walmarts? Now, lets discuss mass murders in gun-free zones. Oh wait. Criminals have a tendency to avoid areas where they may encounter return fire. Do you find in interesting that most mass murders kill themselves the moment the meet resistance to their crimes?

Side note: CCW in Texas account for .1884% of convictions. 3 of 461 murders. [1]



I don't care about your singular incident. Guns were used 764,036 times defensively in 1994 (successfully). Yes stat is old, but most studies have the stat even higher. [2]

Walmart was used as an example I should have figured you guys would take any shot at trying to make me look like im clueless. So here let's do the math for why I used Walmart as an example so you retards can understand. Black Friday is now a holiday that is known to have high amount of emotions and lots of people that are willing to fight or trample to get what they want, now I chose Walmart because they attract large amounts of people and have had death on black Friday at the store. Now given how crazy people are it is possible that a holder would shoot up a store over something very small on a high emotion event.


Now I'm all for other solutions yet the only one coming from the gun advocates is take away all gun free zones. That would work if say teachers would carry but I dont see a kindergarten teacher having a FNH FNP-9 in a crossbreed supertuck.

If you wanna play the numbers game look up stats of how many crimes have been committed due to the perp having a gun.

Now here's the thing you don't have to respect or care for my story but when the time comes for you to nut up or shut up I garuntee you either shit your pants from fear or your bowels releasing after your brains have coated your walls because you tried to get big.

They would if they were licensed to carry it. HOLY JESUS. Do people honestly think gun advocates are pushing to arm all teachers? Not in the slightest. But, if a teacher is licensed to carry LET THEM CARRY IN THE CLASS ROOM. It is no different than when they leave the classroom and carry to walmart.

Some of these nutjobs would think twice about walking into school if they had no idea who might be able to shoot back. This is EXACTLY the reason most mass shootings happen in gun free zones. They can be pretty certain to meet no resistance until the authorities show up minutes later.



How do you propose we take the guns from the perps? By disarming the law abiding citizens? Genius.

So in your hypothetical my choices are:
A. Be armed and have my brains splattered.
B. Not be armed, and hope and pray the perp doesn't kill me and my family? I'm not real big on praying.

Some of these nut jobs don't just shoot up gun free zones and some of these nut jobs carry. Now I may be wrong here but aren't movie theaters gun zones? Cause I remember a certain instant where a man shot up a theater then left.... Alive.

Not in Colorado. It was a gun free theater.

It is also illegal to murder people in Colorado.

More restrictions is the obvious answer.

This thread has gone full retard.

EvGa has arrived. Resistance is futile.

Isn't it illegal everywhere? xD

Pretty much. But IS IT BANNED!?


Am troll.

if there was 0 guns in america there would be 0 gun crimes.
we should start with the problem of people, education is a good tool but it is much better to say GUNS ARE BAD and never allow them access to a gun in their life unless someone goes far out of reach to obtain one.

just because you educate people how to use a gun in the right situation doesnt mean you will prevent shooting. remember that apparently the restrictions dont need to be higher then they already are so other then educating people theres not much more you will be able to do.

its ok though, another shooting happened today (like i said its a matter of when instead of a matter of if it will happen) but unless that wasnt your parents you dont care about the gun crime. give every 5 year old a gun, keep the laws the same, keep protesting about your "rights" but its not people of my country that is dieing its yours.

even if america educated people about guns you could guarantee it would be poor education like the rest of its education system. they still teach creationism in schools in some parts of america.

ROFL Well, It all depends on how you define it ...

Do you live in America? You have no idea why the 2nd amendment is in place. It has nothing to do with me wanting to own a gun and everything to do with allowing the people to protect themselves from the government if need be. See: American revolution.

Your solution is unrealistic at best, but mostly moronic.

EDIT: The shooting today was done by a man who murdered his grandmother and spent 17 years in jail. (Not sure why this man didn't rot in jail in the first place.)It is against the law for a felon to buy and posses a firearm. Regulations, woohoo!

Please, end all of this.

I like to think we would interpret the constitution to our current era. I mean no one really thinks that the founders of America thought there would be assault type weapons. They thought muzzle loaders where the only type of guns.

I have a question for those who are gun owners, if your gun is stolen and used in a crime are you held liable?

So much in this thread, I feel a lock coming on.

TL;DR 2nd amendment: A country armed is a harder country to take over than an unarmed country.

@Aventus I question your true experience and knowledge of guns, just based off the ignorance you've shown in the area in past threads, but maybe you've gained a lot more knowledge in the last couple months.

@penfold


@Ger_slayer Yes lets do interpret it to our day... oh wait... that's what we do... Back in their time, they had the most effective weapons possible, and they knew what they had them for... Now in our day, we have the most effective weapons we can possibly own under our current laws, and they are still here for the same reason our founders made the 2nd amendment. Just because you live in a world where you don't need a gun, doesn't mean everyone lives in your world.

How many times does it need to be said... Just because you ban guns does not mean guns magically disappear. Guns will still be produced, and even if all of them were banned inside the U.S, they'd just be smuggled in else where... Only person losing their guns are lawful citizens.

Still at the end of the day, all my guns combined(well maybe not my WW2 BRs)have killed less people than Ted Kenndy's car. (lol nostalgia)

Little clip from one of my favorite libertarians. Sums it up.

2nd amendment does not make USA more powerful then if it wasnt armed! china or russia arent all armed by rednecks yet they are feared by other countries.

the americans in this thread just dont wish to think of a world without things to kill other people with.
if all guns in america were made illegal with people given $100 to hand over a gun they own and they made it illegal to sell firearms. they kept a tight control on what came in and out of the country like they do now... the amount of deaths due to gun crime will drop dramatically within 15 year. Or you could just keep shooting yourselves.

oh and if guns were rare to find (i think 90% of the UK wouldnt know where to look for a gun) this old guy who shot firefighters most likely wouldnt have his gun either. he probably just went to his redneck friends and borrowed his gun cuz thats MERICA.
2nd amendment should say "the right to terrorize, murder and exploit people and occasionally defend others"

I just want to say how stupid this post is, but it speaks for itself.

LMAO Yeah, I'd definitely trade my freedoms for Russia or China's Government. The 2nd amendment is there to protect the rest of our freedoms. I already know you aren't one for history or facts, but time after time, it has been shown what happens when you take the means of self defense away from a people.