Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 2385 Location: Netherlands
You give a tip because you think you experienced a good service, not because you have to.
for example, if I eat in a terrible restaurant with retarded waiters im not gonna give any tip at all, but when i see friendly, hardworking people, I tip.
Why should I tip anyone after I've payed too much for my overpriced meal? Lol the average service you get in a normal Dutch restaurant is horrible. One restaurant I went to even charged me 50 cent for using the toilet after I already ordered food for like 30 euros. No, I don't do tips either and I'm not black.
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Some people don't tip simply because they don't believe in tipping. I've gotten complements about how good the food/service was and when it came to the bill, they paid the exact amount. Not a cent over..
Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 1751 Location: In your house, stealing your Dew.
i only tip when I believe the person providing the service went beyond what is required of their jobs. Which is very rarely. Just because you kept my cup full doesn't mean you deserve a tip, that was your job.
Hmm, it is customary to tip your server unless the service was terrible. Do none of you factor this into your meal before purchase? You act like you are paying on-top of your meal price when in fact this should have been factored in before purchase...
It's like buying a car and then being angry you have to buy gas... it's part of the total purchase...
Hmm, it is customary to tip your server unless the service was terrible. Do none of you factor this into your meal before purchase? You act like you are paying on-top of your meal price when in fact this should have been factored in before purchase...
It's like buying a car and then being angry you have to buy gas... it's part of the total purchase...
And i bet statistically that's probably not true. I bet that statistically every race tips evenly but since there are less minorities the view gets skewed. Taking into account that certain minorities (asians + others) prefer to dine at their own establishments, the view of who is eating at your shitty Red Lobster gets even more skewed. But you don't complain about the white guy not tipping you. He's just a guy not tipping you. But when a black guy isn't tipping you, he's not just a guy, he's a black guy. So regardless of the fact that the amount of black people who didn't tip is probably </= the amount of white people that didn't tip that day if only because statistically there should be less black patroners, black people are the ones who don't tip.
An like i said earlier you're the type of cunt who is going to give me a look when i walk in the door. Sometimes you'll put on your smile, sometimes you won't but you'll just be waiting to say, i bet that black guy isn't going to tip. And i know that. So I'm not tipping you. I can't say why other people don't tip, it might be that they only eat out once in awhile and money is tight, they might be obnoxious jerks. But you're not serving people at that point. You're serving black people, so you don't give a **** either way.
Thank you for reminding me that everywhere i go my actions will represent the actions of my entire race. That you are not color blind. That my suspicions that the way you are treating me is based completely on the color of my skin are completely true and behind every smile, and supposed act of kindness is a cunt, waiting for me to make a stereotype true so he can make forum post about it. For the record i'm not mad, i deal with this shit everyday. I'm tired, but i ain't mad. Not yet.
I actually treat all of my customers the same, regardless of their ethnicity. Quit being so damn paranoid.
Also, stereotypes exists for a reason.
Elements wrote:
To be honest I don't even see why people expect a tip for doing a job they are being paid to do anyway.... sure if you are amazing at what you do then perhaps I will give you something extra, but considering I am paying your wages by being there anyway you shouldn't expect anything more.
I'm a pizza delivery driver. I get paid $7.25 while in store, and $4.25 while on a delivery. Now, if I take a delivery to your house, and you live about 10-15 minutes from the store, that means I'm spending about 30 minutes of drive time, just going to and from your house, not to mention the 3-4 minutes it takes for me to walk to your door, your to open the door, pay me, and be given the pizza's. So now we're looking at a good 35ish minutes, and I'm making $4.25 the whole time. Not to mention having to pay for the gas it took to get to your house.
So yes, I actually lose money if you people don't tip. And it's incredibly annoying. If you're not going to tip, go pick up your own damn pizza.
If you're not going to tip, go pick up your own damn pizza.
I always tip the delivery person... but usually I just go and pick up my own pizza, 'cause if I'm gonna eat junk food, I may as well walk it off a bit. >.>
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 9841 Location: US - Illidan
Tasdik wrote:
Also, stereotypes exists for a reason.
what reason is that?
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I'm a pizza delivery driver. I get paid $7.25 while in store, and $4.25 while on a delivery. Now, if I take a delivery to your house, and you live about 10-15 minutes from the store, that means I'm spending about 30 minutes of drive time, just going to and from your house, not to mention the 3-4 minutes it takes for me to walk to your door, your to open the door, pay me, and be given the pizza's. So now we're looking at a good 35ish minutes, and I'm making $4.25 the whole time. Not to mention having to pay for the gas it took to get to your house.
So yes, I actually lose money if you people don't tip. And it's incredibly annoying. If you're not going to tip, go pick up your own damn pizza.
anyway most delivery places around here tack on a delivery fee so if i work for 7.00 (min-wage) an hour and i order a $10 pizza plus the 3 dollar delivery fee + whatever tip you're expecting i could be paying anywhere from $14-17 which is about 2 hours worth of my life. When u take in just the delivery fee and the tip you'll be expecting it'll probably run $7 so your 30 mins of work cost an hour of my work if you delivered for a pizza place around here. But wait, it gets better.
When u take distance into account most speed limits in rural areas are about 30-45mph so in half an hour you should be able to cover 15 miles. The average pizza place probably delivers within a 5 mile radius of its location at most unless they're the only pizza place for miles so the only reason why it should take you 30min round trip in driving alone is
1. You don't know the area. 2. You're driving incredibly slowly.
Also you can cut that shit out where walking to the door takes 3-4 minutes. Unless you deliver to mansions that require you to leave your car at the gateway you should be out of your car and at the door in a matter of seconds.
So the way i see it, the only way it should take 15 min per delivery is if you're delivering to the farthest part of your delivery zone every trip. Any other time, which is probably most deliveries it should take you 6-10 min there and back depending on traffic. So that's anywhere from 3-5 deliveries per hour if you're going back and forth within a fair distance from pizza place to store and only making 1 delivery per trip. So all it takes is 1 person tipping u $3 for you to make min-wage per hour and anything after that is extra/gas money. Even if 3 ppl tip you only a dollar you're still back at min-wage.
Now you can fiddle with my numbers but my friends have been delivery guys so i know what they make. They have good nights and bad nights but on average they'll make more than someone who makes min-wage even after you remove gas from the equation.
tl;dr you have nothing to bitch about unless you are the worst delivery guy ever.
in which case you'd get no tip anyway...
and i'm still betting based on statistics alone there are FAR more white people in this country who don't tip than black people. Even if 75% of black people didn't tip and 20% of white people didn't tip you'd still outnumber the number of black people not tipping. Stereotypes exist because people are retarded. People like to say there's truth in them but that's simply ignorance on a massive level. So massive it clouds the actual truth. To be honest they don't even care whether it's true, or what the basis or the statement is, they just like being cunts.
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anyway most delivery places around here tack on a delivery fee so if i work for 7.00 (min-wage) an hour and i order a $10 pizza plus the 3 dollar delivery fee + whatever tip you're expecting i could be paying anywhere from $14-17 which is about 2 hours worth of my life. When u take in just the delivery fee and the tip you'll be expecting it'll probably run $7 so your 30 mins of work cost an hour of my work if you delivered for a pizza place around here.
When u take distance into account most speed limits in rural areas are about 30-45mph so in half an hour you should be able to cover 15 miles. The average pizza place probably delivers within a 5 mile radius of its location at most unless they're the only pizza place for miles so the only reason why it should take you 30min round trip in driving alone is
1. You don't know the area. 2. You're driving incredibly slowly.
Also you can cut that shit out where walking to the door takes 3-4 minutes. Unless you deliver to mansions that require you to leave your car at the gateway you should be out of your car and at the door in a matter of seconds.
So the way i see it, the only way it should take 15 min per delivery is if you're delivering to the farthest part of your delivery zone every trip. Any other time, which is probably most deliveries it should take you 6-10 min there and back depending on traffic. So that's anywhere from 3-5 deliveries per hour if you're going back and forth within a fair distance from pizza place to store and only making 1 delivery per trip. So all it takes is 1 person tipping u $3 for you to make min-wage per hour and anything after that is extra/gas money. Even if 3 ppl tip you only a dollar you're still back at min-wage.
Now you can fiddle with my numbers but my friends have been delivery guys so i know what they make. They have good nights and bad nights but on average they'll make more than someone who makes min-wage even after you remove gas from the equation.
tl;dr you have nothing to bitch about unless you are the worst delivery guy ever.
in which case you'd get no tip anyway...
1. The driver doesn't get a penny of the delivery fee. It goes to the store.
2. If money is that tight, why are you ordering pizza in the first place?
3. Not really. About 1/3 of our deliveries are to places that are, according to my GPS, a good 15 minutes of drive time away. That doesn't include stoplights/stop signs/other slow ass drivers who drive slower than the speed limit.
4. I actually make more than any other delivery driver who works at our store. Doesn't mean it still don't suck when you get stiffed.
5. Sure, I can get out of my car within 30 secs and to the door, but that doesn't mean they'll answer the door right away. Or that they'll have the correct change on them when they do answer the door.
6. You're right, we do have good and bad nights. But the typical Black person just tends to make the night worse.
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 9841 Location: US - Illidan
Tasdik wrote:
1. The driver doesn't get a penny of the delivery fee. It goes to the store. That's not the point. The point is the customer is already paying extra for having the pizza delivered. It's not the customers fault that the management doesn't put that money back into your pocket. What you get is called a tip for a reason. The customer has paid for the pizza, they've paid for you to deliver the pizza. Everything else they give is extra, as in you haven't earned it and have no right to expect it.
2. If money is that tight, why are you ordering pizza in the first place? Americans (who are mostly white) love to live above their means. Or maybe it was just a long day and they don't feel like cooking. Or maybe they really have a craving for pizza. Why does anyone do anything? You're asking a deep question there and i highly doubt you actually care about the answer.
3. Not really. About 1/3 of our deliveries are to places that are, according to my GPS, a good 15 minutes of drive time away. That doesn't include stoplights/stop signs/other slow ass drivers who drive slower than the speed limit. Even if 1/3 of your deliveries are to places that are 15 minutes away you still come out even or ahead at the end of the week if everyone tips u $1. If you're delivering to places that are 15 min away then you're servicing a large area or you're very popular. Either way that should only increase the amount of money you make with more customers= more deliveries. There should be no reason why u can't make 2-3 deliveries in 1 trip if they're lined up correctly which is what you should be doing if you have to go that far from your work place to make 1 delivery.
4. I actually make more than any other delivery driver who works at our store. Doesn't mean it still don't suck when you get stiffed. Again it's not getting stiffed. It's a tip. You didn't earn it. It's extra. Your services were paid for. If you don't like having a job that relies on charity, which is basically what it is, then maybe you should find a better one. But that is the nature of the delivery business and you should've known that before you signed on and if you didn't then you certainly know it now.
5. Sure, I can get out of my car within 30 secs and to the door, but that doesn't mean they'll answer the door right away. Or that they'll have the correct change on them when they do answer the door. So sometimes its a matter of seconds sometimes a couple minutes. Again that's the nature of the business. I don't think you've always had your money lined up and waiting when the delivery guy gets there. You might do that now but you probably don't.
6. You're right, we do have good and bad nights. But the typical Black person just tends to make the night worse. No the typical person makes the night worse. It happens that he is black, so you say black person as if he represents us all or even a fraction of us. You don't give that same type of treatment to white people even though claim to treat all your customers the same regardless of ethnicity. And that is why you're a cunt. Why stereotypes exist. And why i'm not tipping you.
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In our defence: In Belgium the tip/service is included in the price, so tipping isn't necesary in Belgium. In other countries it isn't like that & a lot of people don't know/stand still at that fact.
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