Humanity's Not-So-Finest Moment (WTF China)

Mirosuke · **Posted:** Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:36 am

^ I just realized that since you pointed out lol

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:23 am

McLovin1t wrote:

NuclearSilo wrote:

Teach the Bible would improve their morality

And I'd like to torture the judges and throw them into the road

No one?

NuclearSilo wrote:

Teach the Bible would improve their morality

NuclearSilo wrote:

morality

NuclearSilo wrote:

And I'd like to torture the judges and throw them into the road

What morality is that, if not trolling?

It's called punishment. If you teach someone a lesson, it doesn't mean you don't have the moral :dope:

jyushinshuu · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 1235 **Location:**

That girl finally died due to severe physical injuries.

Shomari · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 2341 **Location:** Limbo

jyushinshuu wrote:

That girl finally died due to severe physical injuries.

source?
I've heard shes dead from various places and from others she is alive.

jyushinshuu · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 1235 **Location:**

Too lazy to seach for article in the internet about her death, but I saw it national news that she passed away.. I even saw the CH Government press conference with english subs regarding her death the 2 drivers who ran over her was arrested. "It was said that the doctors did everyting they can but the injuries were to severe for her little body can handle"

I was even surprised that she lived that long after seeing that video few days ago.

TBH, I can't blame CH people for not helping her, If I was in the same scenario, I probably would have done the same. Call me heartless, but I woudn't risk my future trying to be hero to some stranger(If I were a CH that is)... cuz good samaritans oftens becomes prey for gold diggers in China.

MrTwilliger · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 1374 **Location:** Hiding

And so it has been shown that money and wealth is more important than life itself.

*BlackFox · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 7923 **Location:**

Shomari wrote:

source?
I've heard shes dead from various places and from others she is alive.

Quote:

Chinese toddler, Wang Yue, ignored in hit-and-run, dies at hospital a week after the accident
Read More Here

Shomari · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 2341 **Location:** Limbo

*BlackFox wrote:

Shomari wrote:

source?
I've heard shes dead from various places and from others she is alive.

Quote:

Chinese toddler, Wang Yue, ignored in hit-and-run, dies at hospital a week after the accident
Read More Here

thanks

MrTwilliger wrote:

And so it has been shown that money and wealth is more important than life itself.

And it's sad how generally true this holds not only in China but the whole damn world.

jyushinshuu · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 1235 **Location:**

MrTwilliger wrote:

And so it has been shown that money and wealth is more important than life itself.

Isn't it obvious?

Azilius · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 4236 **Location:** CS:GO

MrTwilliger wrote:

And so it has been shown that money and wealth is more important than life itself.

Would you give up everything to save some toddlers life? Everything. Because if anyone helped this toddler and was then accused of being the person that did it that person could easily be in jail for the rest of their life, or worse depending on the country it took place in.

Sure you're quick to judge, but when you add in some more context and think much more about it, it's not all about 'money and wealth'. It's essentially your life against theirs.

HughGRection · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 432 **Location:** CS:S

but its on video so how would you be accused for committing the crime? ^ therefore there is no reason to not help

*BlackFox · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 7923 **Location:**

Well, yes, this kind of thing may happen in other countries... but for China it's not the exception it's the rule.

Azilius wrote:

Would you give up everything to save some toddlers life?

Would you like to let her slowly die and go through all that pain?

Shomari · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 2341 **Location:** Limbo

HughGRection wrote:

but its on video so how would you be accused for committing the crime? ^ therefore there is no reason to not help

the truth is not always the truth.

Azilius · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 4236 **Location:** CS:GO

HughGRection wrote:

but its on video so how would you be accused for committing the crime? ^ therefore there is no reason to not help

Very stupid argument. How am I supposed to know it's on video when deciding to help the girl? Am I some kind of all knowing person who is aware of every camera pointed at him..?

*BlackFox wrote:

Well, yes, this kind of thing may happen in other countries... but for China it's not the exception it's the rule.

Azilius wrote:

Would you give up everything to save some toddlers life?

Would you like to let her slowly die and go through all that pain?

How is that a counter to my argument? Would YOU like every starving person in Africa to slowy die and go through all that pain? No? Then donate everything you have right now!!!!!

Come on at least think before you post

Macsnow · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 1243 **Location:** Chair.

Azilius wrote:

*BlackFox wrote:

Well, yes, this kind of thing may happen in other countries... but for China it's not the exception it's the rule.

Azilius wrote:

Would you give up everything to save some toddlers life?

Would you like to let her slowly die and go through all that pain?

How is that a counter to my argument? Would YOU like every starving person in Africa to slowy die and go through all that pain? No? Then donate everything you have right now!!!!!

Come on at least think before you post

Fucking totally agreed.

HughGRection · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 432 **Location:** CS:S

how can you compare millions of starving people to calling the medics to help a little girl. it can't be, one is actually doable

Azilius · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 4236 **Location:** CS:GO

HughGRection wrote:

how can you compare millions of starving people to calling the medics to help a little girl. it can't be, one is actually doable

*BlackFox · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 7923 **Location:**

And I say the same thing @ Azilius
Do you or not? Let her slowly die and go through all that pain?

Azilius wrote:

Then donate everything you have right now!!!!!

Didn't you Know that... The whole concept of charitable giving is corrupt. Seriously!

Azilius · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 4236 **Location:** CS:GO

*BlackFox wrote:

And I say the same thing @ Azilius
Do you or not? Let her slowly die and go through all that pain?

Azilius wrote:

Then donate everything you have right now!!!!!

Didn't you Know that... The whole concept of charitable giving is corrupt. Seriously!

1. The point of my not answering your question is because it has flawed reasoning. Beyond that, of course if I'm not willing to help due to fear of being sued for all my money and possibly jailed then I'm fully willing to let the kid sit there and die. I'm not even sure if calling an ambulance has repercussions in China (though I wouldn't hesitate to call one in Canada..).

2. Not getting into a charity corruption discussion. Do some homework on charities that have minimal side expenses and don't just rely on internet media which is always filled with sensationalist statements. Also, the point wasn't whether or not charities are corrupt, but rather why you aren't dropping all your money and time on something to help out the millions of starving kids that die all the time.

Fury · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 1596 **Location:**

Annnnnnnd where exactly were the parents?
Was probably set up since you can only have 1 kid in china, they probably wanted a boy.

Majorharper · **Posted:** Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:40 am

Azilius wrote:

*BlackFox wrote:

And I say the same thing @ Azilius
Do you or not? Let her slowly die and go through all that pain?

Azilius wrote:

Then donate everything you have right now!!!!!

Didn't you Know that... The whole concept of charitable giving is corrupt. Seriously!

1. The point of my not answering your question is because it has flawed reasoning. Beyond that, of course if I'm not willing to help due to fear of being sued for all my money and possibly jailed then I'm fully willing to let the kid sit there and die. I'm not even sure if calling an ambulance has repercussions in China (though I wouldn't hesitate to call one in Canada..).

2. Not getting into a charity corruption discussion. Do some homework on charities that have minimal side expenses and don't just rely on internet media which is always filled with sensationalist statements. Also, the point wasn't whether or not charities are corrupt, but rather why you aren't dropping all your money and time on something to help out the millions of starving kids that die all the time.

Just saying that if you don't you could be charged for not doing anything, (In Canada that is)

Azilius · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 4236 **Location:** CS:GO

Also if the person isn't hurt they still have to pay the ambulance fee (which is quite expensive..)

Shitty laws for doing the right thing..

BuDo · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 4714 **Location:**

Why are u guys debating what the law states and discussing wanting to help but being hesitant of the repercussion? If you were lying there dying would you want the person looking at you wondering if they should help you or not? If there was a chance for me to be jailed for helping someone I wouldn't even think about it. I'd help. I'd want to be helped if it was me.

And something else...that talk about being sued obviously doesn't mean that much since someone did help her after all.

Azilius · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 4236 **Location:** CS:GO

BuDo wrote:

Why are u guys debating what the law states and discussing wanting to help but being hesitant of the repercussion? If you were lying there dying would you want the person looking at you wondering if they should help you or not? If there was a chance for me to be jailed for helping someone I wouldn't even think about it. I'd help. I'd want to be helped if it was me.

And something else...that talk about being sued obviously doesn't mean that much since someone did help her after all.

That's an incredibly ignorant statement. The point is the CHANCE of it happening is relatively high. If I was lying there dying I would do the same thing the rest of people who get hurt in China do, say 'I fell on my own, please help.'. If I didn't have the ability to talk then I'm out of luck.

Human decency does go a long way, but human indecency completely trumps it. It's not like I'm some malevolent asshole hoping for the death of people at any given time. I want to help the person lying there dead, but I still have my own life to take care of and the chance of that being taken away is far too high for my liking.

BuDo · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 4714 **Location:**

Azilius wrote:

BuDo wrote:

Why are u guys debating what the law states and discussing wanting to help but being hesitant of the repercussion? If you were lying there dying would you want the person looking at you wondering if they should help you or not? If there was a chance for me to be jailed for helping someone I wouldn't even think about it. I'd help. I'd want to be helped if it was me.

And something else...that talk about being sued obviously doesn't mean that much since someone did help her after all.

That's an incredibly ignorant statement. The point is the CHANCE of it happening is relatively high. If I was lying there dying I would do the same thing the rest of people who get hurt in China do, say 'I fell on my own, please help.'. If I didn't have the ability to talk then I'm out of luck.

Human decency does go a long way, but human indecency completely trumps it. It's not like I'm some malevolent asshole hoping for the death of people at any given time. I want to help the person lying there dead, but I still have my own life to take care of and the chance of that being taken away is far too high for my liking.

Regardless of how high the CHANCES are someone did help...So my statement still stands despite if you think it's ignorant. And for the record you are appearing to be a malevolent asswhipe because you're saying you'd ask for help if you were down and dying and could speak but you'd be apprehensive to help someone else based on the level of the chance that you'd get into trouble (jailed, sued etc)

If you're actually that understanding of the social situation surrounding being sued in a case like this then your rational should direct you to shut the hell up and die and don't bother asking for help if you should find yourself in the streets of such a country injured and near death. But it wont. Because the need to live will render the hypocritical garbage that you're spewing here meaningless.

John_Doe · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 2094 **Location:**

So apparently in Chinese legal system if you help someone its cause your guilty/committed/involved with the "incident" :palm:

... at least that's what I've been getting from some related cases. Well that's just BS. It pains me to see children suffer cause of humanities BS.

Azilius · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 4236 **Location:** CS:GO

BuDo wrote:

Azilius wrote:

BuDo wrote:

Why are u guys debating what the law states and discussing wanting to help but being hesitant of the repercussion? If you were lying there dying would you want the person looking at you wondering if they should help you or not? If there was a chance for me to be jailed for helping someone I wouldn't even think about it. I'd help. I'd want to be helped if it was me.

And something else...that talk about being sued obviously doesn't mean that much since someone did help her after all.

That's an incredibly ignorant statement. The point is the CHANCE of it happening is relatively high. If I was lying there dying I would do the same thing the rest of people who get hurt in China do, say 'I fell on my own, please help.'. If I didn't have the ability to talk then I'm out of luck.

Human decency does go a long way, but human indecency completely trumps it. It's not like I'm some malevolent asshole hoping for the death of people at any given time. I want to help the person lying there dead, but I still have my own life to take care of and the chance of that being taken away is far too high for my liking.

Regardless of how high the CHANCES are someone did help...So my statement still stands despite if you think it's ignorant. And for the record you are appearing to be a malevolent asswhipe because you're saying you'd ask for help if you were down and dying and could speak but you'd be apprehensive to help someone else based on the level of the chance that you'd get into trouble (jailed, sued etc)

If you're actually that understanding of the social situation surrounding being sued in a case like this then your rational should direct you to shut the hell up and die and don't bother asking for help if you should find yourself in the streets of such a country injured and near death. But it wont. Because the need to live will render the hypocritical garbage that you're spewing here meaningless.

I'm guessing you didn't read properly or...

First off, someone helping just implies that someone was willing to take the chance of jailtime/being sued/death penalty/whatever. So "talking about being sued" still means everything in this context. No one could have possibly known how the parents/guardian would have reacted, hence the risk. Your 'it didnt happen so arguing it is pointless' logic is incredibly flawed. When I bet my life savings on a hand of blackjack, regardless of the outcome of the previous hand, the risk is STILL THERE. If I win that hand, the risk taken was still stupid because of the probability involved in the outcome...

Next, you completely misread or misunderstood the point of me saying I'd ask for help. If you had read the article I linked..

Quote:

A 75-year-old man in Nanjing, while getting off the bus, accidentally fell down from the rear door of the bus, was unable to get up, and the other passengers behind him all did not dare go forth to help him. The old fellow shouted: “I fell on my own, you all do not need to worry, it had nothing to do with you all.” Only after hearing this did the crowd of passengers go forth to help him.

Basically, when the man declared that everyone else had nothing to do with the incident, they were now cleared of any (most) doubt that they could be sued/jailed/whatever. THIS is what I said I would do if I was hurt. This is the reason I said

Quote:

If I didn't have the ability to talk then I'm out of luck.

Because without being able to dismiss others of the fear they have, I wouldn't be helped.

And with that said..your second paragraph is pretty much meaningless since what I wrote isn't hypocritical at all, not to mention it is heavily reliant on assumptions (that I would cry for help because my will to live exceeds my logical through process), but that's another story entirely..

BuDo · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 4714 **Location:**

risk STILL THERE....risk STILL TAKEN...It clearly didn't matter to that woman. If the risk of something bad happening isn't enough to prevent action then that risk isn't risky enough. But that boils down to perception. And yours seems to be a very selfish one.

The little girl wasn't in any condition to say anything and thus if the victim can't speak and would be "out of luck" (your words) then YOUR reasoning would mandate you to walk on by because of the fear of a HIGH risk. Therefore the first guy that walked by her could easily be you by what you're portraying here. If the old man in our link couldn't speak you'll have to leave him too according to your line of thought.

You're argument is weak. Just because a victim ,while lying there, says something to absolve anyone of causing the victim harm it doesn't mean that it can't be reversed/retracted/denied being said later on. Unless you expect everyone to walk around with recorders or paperwork for victims to sign before they can be helped. Even with multiple witnesses it doesn't guarantee that these witnesses will show in court to help you verify that the victim absolved you of wrong doing.

Your hypocrisy lies in that you'd want to be helped but your not willing to help. The fact that if you couldn't speak and would be out of luck is mute. "I would do the same thing the rest of people who get hurt in China do, say 'I fell on my own, please help."......But as a witness...."I still have my own life to take care of and the chance of that being taken away is far too high for my liking." These are your words..

Azilius · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 4236 **Location:** CS:GO

BuDo wrote:

risk STILL THERE....risk STILL TAKEN...It clearly didn't matter to that woman. If the risk of something bad happening isn't enough to prevent action then that risk isn't risky enough. But that boils down to perception. And yours seems to be a very selfish one.

The little girl wasn't in any condition to say anything and thus if the victim can't speak and would be "out of luck" (your words) then YOUR reasoning would mandate you to walk on by because of the fear of a HIGH risk. Therefore the first guy that walked by her could easily be you by what you're portraying here. If the old man in our link couldn't speak you'll have to leave him too according to your line of thought.

You're argument is weak. Just because a victim ,while lying there, says something to absolve anyone of causing the victim harm it doesn't mean that it can't be reversed/retracted/denied being said later on. Unless you expect everyone to walk around with recorders or paperwork for victims to sign before they can be helped. Even with multiple witnesses it doesn't guarantee that these witnesses will show in court to help you verify that the victim absolved you of wrong doing.

Your hypocrisy lies in that you'd want to be helped but your not willing to help. The fact that if you couldn't speak and would be out of luck is mute. "I would do the same thing the rest of people who get hurt in China do, say 'I fell on my own, please help."......But as a witness...."I still have my own life to take care of and the chance of that being taken away is far too high for my liking." These are your words..

1st bold statement: False. The perception comment right after doesn't change the fact that it's false.

2nd paragraph: True except I did mention earlier that I would call an ambulance, not just walk on by.

3rd paragraph: it's not my argument. I don't know how the law in China works, BUT, consider the fact that people are being charged/sued from helping. What does that say about their system? The ONLY references I have (without going to extremes like studying Chinese law) are these articles, and if declaring that others have been cleared of any risk is all it takes, then that's all I can comment on. MY argument simply pertains to the information given.

4th paragraph: You've taken my quotes out of context to prove your point. The first quote is correct, but the second only applies to situations where the 'victim' has not vocalized publicly that I have nothing to do with the incident and can help without fear. Yes, what you quoted are my words, but the context in which they are used is far different.

Bananaman · **Posted:** Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:37 am

Hey Budo, Im first... Sure Id like to help people out but if I were in China and had a high chace (or any chance at all really) of getting my life scrwed up due to the stupid laws of helping someone in the place I live in I would not help either.

Sorry but I have my own life and definately not gonna sacrifice myself because of what someone on the internet(or anyone else) thinks about it.

Yes I AM an asshole, Im just gonan come out and say it! too bad YOU cant EVER do anything about it! (Id like to see you try) I live my life for me, not anyone else, and if (I) ever happened to get into issue I recognize then its my own fault that got me there.

Now as in previous posts had said, the person said they wouldnt sue me, I fell/Got hurt on my own and wanted help then sure Id help him out. If not, well I guess Im a shitty human then

Question is, What are you going to do about me being a shitty human?

. . .Nothing.

so keep crying to yourself becuase its just getting stupid. . .and sicne Im a shitty human I LOVE to see you cry and write in your stupidity

:twisted:

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