why an elementary school..

TheDrop · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 7150 **Location:** uefa2012

Obviously gun control isnt the solution then, i guess we just have to bear with this shootings every few months just cause some tards in the Great American Desert have nothing else to do with their time than obsess over guns

Guns are tools idd, just tools that are way more efficient at (and meant for) killing others
Why dont we just allow grenades too, they are tools as well right? Just tools meant to blow things up, and i'm sure they can be used in self defense.

*BlackFox · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 7923 **Location:**

There's some pretty good ideas here!

penfold1992 wrote:

Spoiler!

_Dutchy_ · **Posted:** Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:59 pm

It sux for the family and the first responders specialy the ones who have to take the kids out of the bloodbath, I hope they will be alright

@ the gun control conversation i don't wanna start with it >.>

Nick Invaders · **Joined:** Apr 2009 **Posts:** 1105 **Location:**

I really wish shit like this didn't happen, but it's not a perfect world.

On another note, 99.999% of the time, 99.999% of gun owners in the US don't commit a crime.

Not gonna contribute anything, but just saying that two dudes with guns does not represent all gun owners. I've support both sides of gun control and at this point I don't really care anymore.

_Scarlett_ · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 1567 **Location:**

TheDrop wrote:

Obviously gun control isnt the solution then, i guess we just have to bear with this shootings every few months just cause some tards in the Great American Desert have nothing else to do with their time than obsess over guns

Guns are tools idd, just tools that are way more efficient at (and meant for) killing others
Why dont we just allow grenades too, they are tools as well right? Just tools meant to blow things up, and i'm sure they can be used in self defense.

Well, for this case gun control isn't the issue. The guns were all purchased, and owned by someone who had all the proper licensing, permits, etc. under Connecticut law (which are some of the more strict in the U.S). They were not purchased, nor legally owned by the person who committed the crime.

The shooter's mental health is a heavier issue here, and more so how this individual had such easy access to these guns. A major problem is teaching people how to store guns in the home so they aren't easily taken by people who shouldn't have access to them.

penfold1992 · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 4060 **Location:**

oh come on "proper licensing". this is the reason why america has these shootings.
proper licensing and yet his brother was held in custody or something? that would instantly tell me that it was NOT PROPER LICENSING?!

the right to bare arms means that everyone may own a gun if they want to.... that doesnt mean that if you want to shoot people you can -.-

if you want to own a gun in the US you just apply. thats what it is in reality, there is no control other then some paperwork -.-

again, dont limit people to guns.... limit the guns in which people can buy. if you tell gun amanufacturers that they can only produce for the military or the sports industry then they wont be making a surplus of extra weapons which are just encouraging people to buy more guns.

please also limit the damn ammo... if a guy has to reload a gun every time he shoots he can only carry so much ammo with him and he also has to reload making it much easier for people to intervene.

MrJoey · **Posted:** Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:39 pm

You obviously have no idea how gun purchasing works, so you shouldn't be commenting. Purchasing a gun from a licensed dealer does take paperwork, that paperwork is used to run background checks, and the customer has to wait days before they can get their gun.
The gun was properly licensed, it was not properly secured which is the real problem in this case.
Limiting ammo making it so you have to reload more often? Do you even know how a gun works, or loading them? This is why these kind of arguments are ridiculous, people like penfold that know nothing at all about guns, have to chime in on the argument.

woutR · **Posted:** Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:47 pm

penfold1992 · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 4060 **Location:**

MrJoey wrote:

You obviously have no idea how gun purchasing works, so you shouldn't be commenting. Purchasing a gun from a licensed dealer does take paperwork, that paperwork is used to run background checks, and the customer has to wait days before they can get their gun.
The gun was properly licensed, it was not properly secured which is the real problem in this case.
Limiting ammo making it so you have to reload more often? Do you even know how a gun works, or loading them? This is why these kind of arguments are ridiculous, people like penfold that know nothing at all about guns, have to chime in on the argument.

thanks for being stupid.
u can apply for a gun license in the uk if you are a sports shooter yet you have to be in a club membership for so many years as well as provide a variety of checks and when you obtain the gun its usually kept by the sporting club. whats to stop you telling them you have a event going on and u need ur gun, u just drive off and shoot a bunch of people? well you can but its not as likely to happen because someone may notice you are upset or angry and wont hand over the gun and also it requires a lot of thought to have face to face contact and ASK for your gun.

the background checks are obviously not good enough! the guys brother was in custody or something, that should be an instant removal of guns from that family for obvious concerns!

also about the ammo, if you have only 12 bullets you can only shoot 12 people. the point about reloading was that IF you have a semi automatic weapon you can just pull the trigger if someone tries to disarm you where if you have to reload the weapon to fire another shot it will give you time to possibly stop the attack... semi auto also means you can just grab two guns and shoot until youre out but if you are holding two guns whilst trying to reload each of them it makes it a lot harder to point the gun in someones face and pull the trigger.

the hypocricy of calling someone stupid about the right to own a gun is amazing. guns kill people. banning them out right and having a 5 year grace period for people to give up their guns is the best idea but unfortunately americans are religious about owning a gun

omier · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 5985 **Location:** ...

Fuck it. Ban the use of firearms everywhere. Let's go back to cold weapons.

penfold1992 · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 4060 **Location:**

Sanktum wrote:

Fuck it. Ban the use of firearms everywhere. Let's go back to cold weapons.

i must admit... seeing ninjas vs plated armor'd warriors would be a thrilling experience to watch

Fiction · **Posted:** Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:09 am

How are those gun control laws working out for Mexico? How are those laws on drugs working out for us here in the states?

Go look at the statistics on how many innocents are killed each year by drunk drivers... Isn't it illegal to drive drunk? How could it be possible that people are getting killed by drunk drivers?

All these stupid laws are going to do is hurt the law abiding citizen. If somebody wants to kill someone(they can do it all kinds of other ways) it doesn't matter if guns are illegal, there's always a way, you'll never be able to clear the streets of guns.(And yes we already remove thousands of guns off the streets in the U.S. and somehow they're replaced by more illegal weapons.)

I'm not really wanting to get running in circles or anything, just my 2 cents.

_Scarlett_ · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 1567 **Location:**

penfold1992 wrote:

the background checks are obviously not good enough! the guys brother was in custody or something, that should be an instant removal of guns from that family for obvious concerns!

Actually, the background checks were good enough. The suspect attempted to purchase a weapon earlier in the week and failed to do so. That is why he resorted to stealing them from someone who didn't properly secure them in the first place.

In this case, gun purchasing laws and background checks stopped the suspect from buying a weapon. This isn't a question of purchasing/background checks (and before someone mentions it) nor an issue with assault weapons.

Jstar1 · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 4757 **Location:**

What needs to happen is a system that identifies people with mental issues, tag them so that they get the proper treatment and help, and also ID their families so that immediate family members living with people with such issues are banned from getting guns. The 2007 VT shooter also had issues, but nobody planted a warning flag on his record and he was able to pass his background checks.

Oh and private citizens don't need ak-47s or bushmasters. Aren't handguns enough to do what guns are meant to do? Is your home in danger of being attacked by an elephant? lol

_Scarlett_ · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 1567 **Location:**

Jstar1 wrote:

What needs to happen is a system that identifies people with mental issues, tag them so that they get the proper treatment and help, and also ID their families so that immediate family members living with people with such issues are banned from getting guns. The 2007 VT shooter also had issues, but nobody planted a warning flag on his record and he was able to pass his background checks.

Oh and private citizens don't need ak-47s or bushmasters. Aren't handguns enough to do what guns are meant to do? Is your home in danger of being attacked by an elephant? lol

Yup, they mentioned this briefly, something about only around 30,000 of the some 9mil individuals that have been required to receive psychiatric help being in a database that background checks reference.

A severe overhaul of how this database is kept would help, and of course how we approach treating/identifying mental health issues of legal adults would help.

Mayumi · **Posted:** Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:09 am

heroo wrote:

are you really still shocked by this kind of news? poor you.

? So i take it your not, all those poor children killed for no reason, god knows what there families are going through.

Strwarrior · **Joined:** Oct 2008 **Posts:** 3799 **Location:** ....

Jimayumi wrote:

heroo wrote:

are you really still shocked by this kind of news? poor you.

? So i take it your not, all those poor children killed for no reason, god knows what there families are going through.

He is used to it maybe ?,
People die everywhere and in a way more horrible ways..

penfold1992 · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 4060 **Location:**

this is the 3rd time this year from america. we had the gifford shooting not that long either.
@fiction guns are just another way to kill people... a gun is a much easier way to kill someone then a physical fight so some people may stop and think. stopping people owning a gun doesnt punish law abiding citizens at all. guns are for shooting, if you are a law abiding citizen then you have no reason to shoot a damn gun unless you wish to shoot at a target in which case keep the gun at that facility or have them lend out a gun.

regardless the background checks are not good enough in my opinion. if you wish to own a gun you are going to use it to either kill or for sport and the sport issue i just mentioned above otherwise dont carry a god damn gun because u make urself look like a potential killer.

Love · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 5336 **Location:**

Pen are you sure you can't come up with a reason why a law abiding citizen would need to shoot a gun... final answer ?

We are also being a stupid **** about the fact that career criminals abusing guns and hurting people are not allowed to have weapons by the system yet they still obviously have them, I'll let you formulate the rest of that thought as I am not really interested in engaging this.

*BlackFox · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 7923 **Location:**

Strwarrior wrote:

People die everywhere and in a way more horrible ways..

People are dying everywhere in horrible ways.. Yes
But... how can anyone possibly measure "which crime/death are worse" than others?

Fury · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 1596 **Location:**

Those poor kids would be so traumatized.

I wonder if any of them will turn out like dexter o.o

Fury · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 1596 **Location:**

heroo wrote:

are you really still shocked by this kind of news? poor you.

Soooooo if this happened to you, you wouldnt be shocked? :sohappy:

EDIT - oops dbl post...haven't slept in like 2 days get over it.

Love · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 5336 **Location:**

Fury I can't believe you are double posting, what's wrong with you.

heroo · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 6618 **Location:**

Fury wrote:

heroo wrote:

are you really still shocked by this kind of news? poor you.

Soooooo if this happened to you, you wouldnt be shocked? :sohappy:

EDIT - oops dbl post...haven't slept in like 2 days get over it.

That's not what I said. I'm not shocked to hear this kind of news anymore. Happened way too many times before. Still happens and will continu to happen. I've already seen too much bullshit in this world to be shocked by anything actually. And not only on the news, but with my own eyes as well.

And it's nice of you guys to be shocked, but let's be honest and say you don't really give a fck as long as it doesn't affect you personally. You read it, you think about it, make a post on SRF and everything is back to normal until the next shooting and this whole proces repeats itself.

*BlackFox · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 7923 **Location:**

heroo wrote:

this whole proces repeats itself.

Then so be it. Seriously, It's always better to discuss it.

penfold1992 · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 4060 **Location:**

Love wrote:

Pen are you sure you can't come up with a reason why a law abiding citizen would need to shoot a gun... final answer ?

We are also being a stupid **** about the fact that career criminals abusing guns and hurting people are not allowed to have weapons by the system yet they still obviously have them, I'll let you formulate the rest of that thought as I am not really interested in engaging this.

sure its ur country, let people die from gun crime day after day its not like banning guns would slow down gun crime anyway. if guns wernt manufactured as much and difficult to get the amount of deaths would still be the same wouldnt it?

its your people dieing so if you dont think the production of guns makes a difference then you can carry the blood on your hands.

id estimate 60% of deaths from a gun would not have occurred if that gun was replaced by a knife unless the US are full of experts using throwing knifes as well -.-
gun = point and shoot
knife = physical effort to repeatedly stab someone to secure a kill.

spray of gun = multiple wounded that were not the target
knife = one victim unless people try to help and things get out of hand.

its your people not mine, if you want blood on your hands dont complain about this stuff happening often

Aventus · **Posted:** Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:33 pm

How farked up of a country do I live when 18 elementary school children get killed and the first thing to happen is gun control debates. Honestly people.

Arguing gun control is like arguing religion no matter what the other person(s) will never see where you're coming from.

I think we should ban all non hunting essential weapons but that's just me.

Love · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 5336 **Location:**

Drugs are illegal, people caught with them face harsh consequences. Agencies and sizable budgets exist for the enforcement of such.

Since all of that is true, people lack drugs. Since all of that is true, thanks to this populations are less affected by drugs.

You're naive, I honestly don't expect you to get it and that's fine.

Love · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 5336 **Location:**

WTB mass shooting at police station/gun show.

Spoiler!

TheDrop · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 7150 **Location:** uefa2012

I know it was purchased legally, which is what i'm saying is the problem..

Still dont know why someone would need these for self-defense. And i know its not an assault rifle, but still..
Probably because i live in the suburbs that I dont understand this whole love for guns in the Great American Desert (and elsewhere), which is why i was surprised to see a shooting in somewhere civilized like New England

Either make guns so widespread that anyone attempting a shooting has no chance at all, or atleast ban some types of rifles meant for "self defense"
But ofc nothing will happen, Fox News will blame video games and movies, everyone else will stfu out of respect of the dead, and we will just push the issue aside cause "shit happens"

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