the worst thing about those christian forums and conservative forums are that they don't allow dissenting views at all. it's a hole filled with holier than thou jackasses who like smelling their own farts.
OP, if you really have interest in this subject and want a discussion there are tons and tons forums dedicated to these subjects. Hell, you don't even have to discuss right away. You just have to go to christianforums.com and read away.
What.
You will need to visit a forum that is open to both sides of the discussion if you want to see the arguments of both sides. Unless christianforum.com has a "skeptics corner" section or something...
Just checked and they do have some: Philosophy, Ethics & Morality, Physical & Life Sciences subforums. Don't really know much about their moderation but with a quick glance at these subforums, some of the topics are clearly by nonbelievers.
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TOloseGT wrote:
the worst thing about those christian forums and conservative forums are that they don't allow dissenting views at all. it's a hole filled with holier than thou jackasses who like smelling their own farts.
makes me sick
neways, back on topic, agnostic all the way =]
This is so hypocritical... Do you think atheist or liberal forums like to hear the other side of the story? Hell no, Nobody likes finding out their shyt stinks too... Man quit talking out of your ass... If any thing, Christianity teaches one to be humble. When on these other forums you get arrogant pricks like Dom that think they can sum thousands of years of philosophy into one post... Call it the "word of God" simply because it came from them...
the worst thing about those christian forums and conservative forums are that they don't allow dissenting views at all. it's a hole filled with holier than thou jackasses who like smelling their own farts.
makes me sick
neways, back on topic, agnostic all the way =]
This is so hypocritical... Do you think atheist or liberal forums like to hear the other side of the story? Hell no, Nobody likes finding out their shyt stinks too... Man quit talking out of your ass... If any thing, Christianity teaches one to be humble. When on these other forums you get arrogant pricks like Dom that think they can sum thousands of years of philosophy into one post... Call it the "word of God" simply because it came from them...
I enjoy hearing the other side of the story o-o? Maybe it's just me, but I like to 'think'. I've proposed challenges to all my christian/religious friends that "want to save me", that if they can show me a miracle, shatter my rationality, or just provide indisputable proof that there god, is real, I would convert. On top of that I like to laugh at what they tell me, talking snakes and what not, sounds like harry potter :].
tl;dr - I enjoy hearing the other side. And quite possibly the best thing I've heard is, "Absence of proof is not the proof of absence."
On Topic: To be honest, I'm more likely to believe that aliens are real, which they probably are, considering how big the universe is. Sometimes, I wonder if early civilizations(summerians, hell maybe even before that) mistook aliens, and praised them as gods. Early civilizations were able to build such complex architecture(Pyramids), and sometimes i'm skeptical whether or not they did ALL of that by themselves.
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Heosphoros wrote:
I enjoy hearing the other side of the story o-o? Maybe it's just me, but I like to 'think'. I've proposed challenges to all my christian/religious friends that "want to save me", that if they can show me a miracle, shatter my rationality, or just provide indisputable proof that there god, is real, I would convert. On top of that I like to laugh at what they tell me, talking snakes and what not, sounds like harry potter :].
tl;dr - I enjoy hearing the other side. And quite possibly the best thing I've heard is, "Absence of proof is not the proof of absence."
On Topic: To be honest, I'm more likely to believe that aliens are real, which they probably are, considering how big the universe is. Sometimes, I wonder if early civilizations(summerians, hell maybe even before that) mistook aliens, and praised them as gods. Early civilizations were able to build such complex architecture(Pyramids), and sometimes i'm skeptical whether or not they did ALL of that by themselves.
Mah friends must suck =/ I've never actually had anyone try to "save" me.
Spoiler!
Unknown wrote:
It Takes More Faith To Believe in Evolution and The Big Bang
Why does faith in a Supreme Creator, God, merit any less belief than what others believe. Does it require more faith to believe that God created what we see or to believe that something the size of a baseball exploded and expanded to create what we have now in the outer expansions of space? If so, how did the Sun, Jupiter and Saturn fit in that baseball-sized material? Also, if we arose over time as a result of the primordial ooze then how did the first thing that wriggled in there know the other one was wriggling so they could come together to create another wriggling thing. Also, if monkeys turned into men where are these monkeys now? Why are they not still evolving into men? Why are not we evolving into something else? Also, the Bible explicitly said that the world was round , the moon reflected the light of the sun, the sun was the center of our universe and that there were springs and chasms under the sea many thousands of years before men figured it out. So, why replace faith with something harder to believe? After all, belief in evolution, the big bang and other such things constitute faith and religion in and of themselves. Other than that, it is mighty funny that over 90% of early scientists who made significant finds and contributions to their respective fields were Christians to begin with. Go figure. This debate is as old as time and will only be settled when God decides to reveal the truth. One wonders how anyone can seriously study science and believe half of the modern junk out their being sold as fact. Carbon dating has been proven to be erroneous. Many of the early hominids have been proven to either be hoaxes or not as old as others purported. Some scientists say that humans and dinosaurs never roamed the earth at the same time, yet the Bible says they did. Also, there are plenty of fossils were man's footprints appear inside of a dinosaur's. There have been petrified trees only thousands of years old thrust face down at an angle crossing through millions of years of strata in rock samples which would be supportive of a worldwide catastrophic flood of Genesis proportions. See, the fact is Science and faith can work together, the problem is some people think it can't. Prove to me there is no God. Where you cannot, I can show mathematical and scientific impossibilities in nature that prove a Divine and Intelligent Creator had His hand in it all. After all, who would believe that a Rolex they came across just evolved on its own? No intelligent being would. It would be quite evident that a watchmaker had to be involved with its creation. The creation around us is just the same. Now, refute that.
I thought this was an interesting read. Of course it's on the other side of your beliefs. Not sure I'd be as open minded as to believe aliens are real... well... The ones that rape people anyways =P I could understand other beings out there.
Every discussion I have with a theist makes me sick to my stomach because you can't reason with someone who believes that faith is proof for existence.
Whilst I agree with some of what your saying Dom, I really dislike the way you have worded yourself here. You make me thing that your falling into the assumption that a theist (right word?) uses the ideals of faith as a means of justifying their chosen religions deities existence. The problem is though, it's not always the case.
Myself? I don't really believe anything. But one of my close friends is a practising Jehovah's Witness. We had a long discussion one day and it lead on to her religion. I will always remember what she told me that day; "Although I'm a practising Jehovah's Witness, I don't know that God actually exists. Nor do I know that Jesus did either. I mean, I'd like to believe they did, but chances are they didn't. Frankly, I don't care either. Whether they once existed or not is irrelevant. I practise the teaching of my religion because I like the morals it upholds. I believe in the basic principles that it incorporates and I enact them each day. I pray, I attend church, I follow the commandments and if I feel genuinely bad for any sins I have committed, I seek to find self clarity for my mistakes. I don't do it because I believe in their deity, I do it because I believe in what it stands for. Am I any less of a practiser than someone who believes? I live the same as them, I follow the basic guidelines and chances are I go to church more than they do. If anything, they are the true disbelievers".
I don't know, just a bit of food for thought really. I'm not disagreeing with your overall points, rather there's a lot of reasons that one believes to follow a religion. Be it from fear, from belief that the religion is all knowing or simply because the basic principles are morally correct to one person, personnel perspective plays a vital role.
That's just my thoughts on it all. I really do know nothing when it comes to these debates and I'm not all that knowledgeable when it comes to different views of beliefs. I don't want to get involved in some giant debate where I'm flamed and trolled for what I've posted, so I've tried to keep this civil and what not.
"If you could reason with religious people there would be no religious people." House is badass.*
*On TV. Being an actual jaded jackass with a prescription drug addiction in real life means you're a tool. Unless, of course, you happen to be ridiculously good at diagnostic medicine as well.
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I think it's sad how people stand on their 'science high horse' and just rofl away at all believers. If you do that you're doing exactly what's supposedly annoying you about their ways. You don't want them to get up in your face and preach their stuff, so don't do it back.
People are stuck in their ways when it comes to religion and science. At the end of the day nothing productive comes out of 'theist vs atheist' discussions, so it's best to just avoid those and let everyone enjoy their own beliefs.
Yeah,whats funnier is that most of you guys just post some youtube video instead of explaining your reasoning. Last Science v.s Religion thread, some of you guys posted videos where Im like "No way you guys actually listened to him talk the whole time". You just went Google --> Atheist --> Paste SRF.
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Heosphoros wrote:
Fiction wrote:
TOloseGT wrote:
the worst thing about those christian forums and conservative forums are that they don't allow dissenting views at all. it's a hole filled with holier than thou jackasses who like smelling their own farts.
makes me sick
neways, back on topic, agnostic all the way =]
This is so hypocritical... Do you think atheist or liberal forums like to hear the other side of the story? Hell no, Nobody likes finding out their shyt stinks too... Man quit talking out of your ass... If any thing, Christianity teaches one to be humble. When on these other forums you get arrogant pricks like Dom that think they can sum thousands of years of philosophy into one post... Call it the "word of God" simply because it came from them...
I enjoy hearing the other side of the story o-o? Maybe it's just me, but I like to 'think'. I've proposed challenges to all my christian/religious friends that "want to save me", that if they can show me a miracle, shatter my rationality, or just provide indisputable proof that there god, is real, I would convert. On top of that I like to laugh at what they tell me, talking snakes and what not, sounds like harry potter :].
tl;dr - I enjoy hearing the other side. And quite possibly the best thing I've heard is, "Absence of proof is not the proof of absence."
On Topic: To be honest, I'm more likely to believe that aliens are real, which they probably are, considering how big the universe is. Sometimes, I wonder if early civilizations(summerians, hell maybe even before that) mistook aliens, and praised them as gods. Early civilizations were able to build such complex architecture(Pyramids), and sometimes i'm skeptical whether or not they did ALL of that by themselves.
Yes, but the other is true as well, "Absence of proof, is not the proof of existence." Pisses me off when religious people go "oh, but you can't prove he doesn't exist." Well you can't prove that he does exist you jackass.
Anyways, I always thought I was atheist, but I'm really agnostic. I think there could be some kind of deity, but none of the worlds religions make any sense to me. To me, the Roman gods make more sense than any of the current religions. Maybe I should look into Wicca or something like that...
Ninja Edit: About title: Why does it have to be Science vs. Religion? Religions after time, do usually accept many things science say. When it was first said that the world was round and the Earth wasn't the center of the universe, the church was the main one saying "NO IT ISN'T!" It may take time, but usually the church does eventually accept new science. Now a days, the only church vs. science there is, comes from moral/ethical arguments.
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Your vocabulary guys...mindfuck for an immigrant like me
I guess can someone clarify what an agnostic really means? I always thought it was undecided?
It means understand, he does not.
Edit: Just skimmed through the whole tread
I grade this thread a B- for on-topicness
You could say Hinduism is basically a control account with a lot of subsidiaries, because in Hinduism, there are...I forgot how many gods, but a shitload(I don't understand why this word is still underlined in red, it's recognized by dictionary.com as a degree of measurement ~__~) of them, and for every god there is, there is a separate temple for them. With each temple comes different practices; so you could imagine :\
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God = good Satan = Bad What if someone kill the both? He is a good person or bad person? Neutral doesn't exist in Christ. . Also god create human at his own image..human wasn't there first there were dino. ,after came kind of monkey,so he is a monkey? Science say that none bad or good exist,it's all personal point of view,religion not,for religion you're judged. Science say we are an advanced animal,religion say we were created like that and appear like that. Religion say Jesus born in 0. Science say he may born in -33 .
Yeah,whats funnier is that most of you guys just post some youtube video instead of explaining your reasoning. Last Science v.s Religion thread, some of you guys posted videos where Im like "No way you guys actually listened to him talk the whole time". You just went Google --> Atheist --> Paste SRF.
I posted a few and I actually watched the whole thing, multiple times.
I'm fine with religion, somewhat. I used to believe, most people did. But whenever I read the bible, it just seemed to me that I didn't really need whatever the book was trying to teach me. I already had good morals. The bible didn't need to teach that.
Sure, I dislike that people still believe. There will always be people who believe. That doesn't mean I can't try and persuade them that their religion isn't everything. The normal Christians are fine though. It's just the creationists and fanatics. I swear, it's impossible to convince a creationist to step down from his belief in creationism (personal experience, and I had 2 other atheists and a Christian helping me).
because the "atheists," as they call themselves, are trolls and the majority of theists feed them. that is all.
Ironic post is ironic. I didn't know staying on topic and replying to posts (that are on topic) was trolling. We must have completely different definitions of trolling. Typical reply though, you feel attacked by the criticisms of your religion, but can't reply with any compelling arguments of your own.
Fiction wrote:
Unknown wrote:
It Takes More Faith To Believe in Evolution and The Big Bang
Why does faith in a Supreme Creator, God, merit any less belief than what others believe. Does it require more faith to believe that God created what we see or to believe that something the size of a baseball exploded and expanded to create what we have now in the outer expansions of space? If so, how did the Sun, Jupiter and Saturn fit in that baseball-sized material? Also, if we arose over time as a result of the primordial ooze then how did the first thing that wriggled in there know the other one was wriggling so they could come together to create another wriggling thing. Also, if monkeys turned into men where are these monkeys now? Why are they not still evolving into men? Why are not we evolving into something else? Also, the Bible explicitly said that the world was round , the moon reflected the light of the sun, the sun was the center of our universe and that there were springs and chasms under the sea many thousands of years before men figured it out. So, why replace faith with something harder to believe? After all, belief in evolution, the big bang and other such things constitute faith and religion in and of themselves. Other than that, it is mighty funny that over 90% of early scientists who made significant finds and contributions to their respective fields were Christians to begin with. Go figure. This debate is as old as time and will only be settled when God decides to reveal the truth. One wonders how anyone can seriously study science and believe half of the modern junk out their being sold as fact. Carbon dating has been proven to be erroneous. Many of the early hominids have been proven to either be hoaxes or not as old as others purported. Some scientists say that humans and dinosaurs never roamed the earth at the same time, yet the Bible says they did. Also, there are plenty of fossils were man's footprints appear inside of a dinosaur's. There have been petrified trees only thousands of years old thrust face down at an angle crossing through millions of years of strata in rock samples which would be supportive of a worldwide catastrophic flood of Genesis proportions. See, the fact is Science and faith can work together, the problem is some people think it can't. Prove to me there is no God. Where you cannot, I can show mathematical and scientific impossibilities in nature that prove a Divine and Intelligent Creator had His hand in it all. After all, who would believe that a Rolex they came across just evolved on its own? No intelligent being would. It would be quite evident that a watchmaker had to be involved with its creation. The creation around us is just the same. Now, refute that.
I wish a mod would remove this pile of rubbish, so much wrong in such a short paragraph, what is this.. I don't even. Not only does the author completely misunderstand most of the scientific theories, he flat out lies about certain things. It's not even worth a rebuttal..holy shiat my head hurts from the facepalming.
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EvGa wrote:
CeLL wrote:
because the "atheists," as they call themselves, are trolls and the majority of theists feed them. that is all.
Ironic post is ironic. I didn't know staying on topic and replying to posts (that are on topic) was trolling. We must have completely different definitions of trolling. Typical reply though, you feel attacked by the criticisms of your religion, but can't reply with any compelling arguments of your own. 1.)im not obliged to reply in any manner just because you say so. find your own answers, its not my job to be your mediator or tutor. maybe some of that research should include the occult origins of darwins theories(trade one mystic belief for another one that is doctored up a bit) 2.)i dont feel attacked in my beliefs, i stand strong in my faith. and if you realized just how much your following comment* applied to everything that every "athiest" states about christianity (and other religions im sure) you would understand what i mean in my reply. just because you are "on topic" doesnt make what one says less intentionally antagonistic, especially when you obviously have no clue what you are talking about.
I wish a mod would remove this pile of rubbish, so much wrong in such a short paragraph, what is this.. I don't even. *Not only does the author completely misunderstand most of the scientific theories, he flat out lies about certain things. It's not even worth a rebuttal..holy shiat my head hurts from the facepalming.
because the "atheists," as they call themselves, are trolls and the majority of theists feed them. that is all.
Ironic post is ironic. I didn't know staying on topic and replying to posts (that are on topic) was trolling. We must have completely different definitions of trolling. Typical reply though, you feel attacked by the criticisms of your religion, but can't reply with any compelling arguments of your own. 1.)im not obliged to reply in any manner just because you say so. find your own answers, its not my job to be your mediator or tutor. maybe some of that research should include the occult origins of darwins theories(trade one mystic belief for another one that is doctored up a bit) 2.)i dont feel attacked in my beliefs, i stand strong in my faith. and if you realized just how much your following comment* applied to everything that every "athiest" states about christianity (and other religions im sure) you would understand what i mean in my reply. just because you are "on topic" doesnt make what one says less intentionally antagonistic, especially when you obviously have no clue what you are talking about.
I wish a mod would remove this pile of rubbish, so much wrong in such a short paragraph, what is this.. I don't even. *Not only does the author completely misunderstand most of the scientific theories, he flat out lies about certain things. It's not even worth a rebuttal..holy shiat my head hurts from the facepalming.
So, you're not obliged to post a reply in a manner I see fit (on topic as I clearly stated), but you will call us trolls? Hypocritical? I think so.
I don't expect you to be my tutor, but if you enter a thread about religion and science it is normally customary (as in most other threads) to reply with a post that is ON TOPIC and addresses the topic. Being that you are in the theist camp I would expect a reply from that side, but alas, you only troll in this thread to call others trolls. Amazing. also, I DO have a clue what I am talking about, show me where in this thread I have lied or said something ignorant, I would love to clear up what I have said or if need be, admit that I was wrong. I'm serious, show me.
If you really want me to analyze that quote fiction posted I will, but if you don't see the obvious flaws... Your comment about evolution already shows me you have very little understanding of it, this is not an attack, just an observation, prove me wrong. Mystic belief? MYSTIC belief? The theory of evolution is a MYSTIC belief? Please do tell. First off, you can't believe in evolution, you either accept it or you don't. It happens, whether or not you want to accept that is up to you. Second, is only the theory of evolution a mystic belief or are all scientific theories mystic? I'm going to make a wild guess here and assume it is only theories that infringe upon the millennia-old teachings of your book. Which is it?
See we could have an engaging debate if you would bring something to the table and not just "go look it up!" I will gladly entertain your questions and arguments, but don't expect a warm and fuzzy reply when you come into this thread trolling and attacking people.
It Takes More Faith To Believe in Evolution and The Big Bang
Why does faith in a Supreme Creator, God, merit any less belief than what others believe. Does it require more faith to believe that God created what we see or to believe that something the size of a baseball exploded and expanded to create what we have now in the outer expansions of space? If so, how did the Sun, Jupiter and Saturn fit in that baseball-sized material? Also, if we arose over time as a result of the primordial ooze then how did the first thing that wriggled in there know the other one was wriggling so they could come together to create another wriggling thing. Also, if monkeys turned into men where are these monkeys now? Why are they not still evolving into men? Why are not we evolving into something else? Also, the Bible explicitly said that the world was round , the moon reflected the light of the sun, the sun was the center of our universe and that there were springs and chasms under the sea many thousands of years before men figured it out. So, why replace faith with something harder to believe? After all, belief in evolution, the big bang and other such things constitute faith and religion in and of themselves. Other than that, it is mighty funny that over 90% of early scientists who made significant finds and contributions to their respective fields were Christians to begin with. Go figure. This debate is as old as time and will only be settled when God decides to reveal the truth. One wonders how anyone can seriously study science and believe half of the modern junk out their being sold as fact. Carbon dating has been proven to be erroneous. Many of the early hominids have been proven to either be hoaxes or not as old as others purported. Some scientists say that humans and dinosaurs never roamed the earth at the same time, yet the Bible says they did. Also, there are plenty of fossils were man's footprints appear inside of a dinosaur's. There have been petrified trees only thousands of years old thrust face down at an angle crossing through millions of years of strata in rock samples which would be supportive of a worldwide catastrophic flood of Genesis proportions. See, the fact is Science and faith can work together, the problem is some people think it can't. Prove to me there is no God. Where you cannot, I can show mathematical and scientific impossibilities in nature that prove a Divine and Intelligent Creator had His hand in it all. After all, who would believe that a Rolex they came across just evolved on its own? No intelligent being would. It would be quite evident that a watchmaker had to be involved with its creation. The creation around us is just the same. Now, refute that.
I thought this was an interesting read. Of course it's on the other side of your beliefs.
That's like a medley of just about every cookie-cutter creationist argument that can be refuted by cracking open a middle-school level science textbook. The original author could have saved some time and just said, "Science is hard, therefore God".
woutR wrote:
I think it's sad how people stand on their 'science high horse' and just rofl away at all believers. If you do that you're doing exactly what's supposedly annoying you about their ways. You don't want them to get up in your face and preach their stuff, so don't do it back.
People are stuck in their ways when it comes to religion and science. At the end of the day nothing productive comes out of 'theist vs atheist' discussions, so it's best to just avoid those and let everyone enjoy their own beliefs.
H'okay, I'm just gonna skip right over that 'science is like religion' portion.
Participation in these discussions is completely optional. It's not like anyone is coerced into defending their faith or position lol. Will there ever be an absolute answer in these threads? Probably not. Meanwhile, they'll serve the same purpose that all other debate threads serve, which is to keep perfecting your own arguments.
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SwordCloud wrote:
Religion say Jesus born in 0. Science say he may born in -33 .
Don't think Religion said Jesus was born on 0.
Quote:
However, when the B.C. / A.D. system was being calculated, they actually made a mistake in pinpointing the year of Jesus' birth. Scholars later discovered that Jesus was actually born in around 4-6 BC, not 1 AD.
I don't get why if you're religious you are anti-science... and if you are for science you're anti-religious. I thank that's the way it is on the forums, but not so much in real life. Considering there are tons of scientist that are religious.
the worst thing about those christian forums and conservative forums are that they don't allow dissenting views at all. it's a hole filled with holier than thou jackasses who like smelling their own farts.
makes me sick
neways, back on topic, agnostic all the way =]
This is so hypocritical... Do you think atheist or liberal forums like to hear the other side of the story? Hell no, Nobody likes finding out their shyt stinks too... Man quit talking out of your ass... If any thing, Christianity teaches one to be humble. When on these other forums you get arrogant pricks like Dom that think they can sum thousands of years of philosophy into one post... Call it the "word of God" simply because it came from them...
Some liberals and atheists don't like hearing the other side, the the majority of the non-religious/conservative crowd, if you take away the non-serious posts, like quality discussion. The majority of those christian/conservative forums may show a facade of discussion, but in actuality follow a strict propaganda/hate-filled line against reason, even in the face of scientific evidence.
That's why you can't reason with religious people, especially those backward thinking, anti-science freaks.
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EvGa wrote:
So, you're not obliged to post a reply in a manner I see fit (on topic as I clearly stated), but you will call us trolls? Hypocritical? I think so.
I don't expect you to be my tutor, but if you enter a thread about religion and science it is normally customary (as in most other threads) to reply with a post that is ON TOPIC and addresses the topic. Being that you are in the theist camp I would expect a reply from that side, but alas, you only troll in this thread to call others trolls. Amazing. also, I DO have a clue what I am talking about, show me where in this thread I have lied or said something ignorant, I would love to clear up what I have said or if need be, admit that I was wrong. I'm serious, show me.
If you really want me to analyze that quote fiction posted I will, but if you don't see the obvious flaws... Your comment about evolution already shows me you have very little understanding of it, this is not an attack, just an observation, prove me wrong. Mystic belief? MYSTIC belief? The theory of evolution is a MYSTIC belief? Please do tell. First off, you can't believe in evolution, you either accept it or you don't. It happens, whether or not you want to accept that is up to you. Second, is only the theory of evolution a mystic belief or are all scientific theories mystic? I'm going to make a wild guess here and assume it is only theories that infringe upon the millennia-old teachings of your book. Which is it?
See we could have an engaging debate if you would bring something to the table and not just "go look it up!" I will gladly entertain your questions and arguments, but don't expect a warm and fuzzy reply when you come into this thread trolling and attacking people.
i didnt attack anyone. someone stated that threads like these blow up and i simply gave my opinion as to why. im aware of the fact that pretty much everything he quoted was flawwed. (BTW Fiction is more of a troll that i am, im sure he appreciates you feeding him just so that he could be contrary to me which in case you havent noticed, it appears to be his lifes goal within these forums.) that has nothing to do with me or what i said. i said that your response to what he typed can just as easily be applied to most athiests reasonings/attacks agaisnt something that doesnt even exist(?) it wasnt an attack so much as it was to imply that the varying camps within this arguement tend to use misinformation as a means to fuel their debate. your preception of my meaning here was simply a miscommunication.
and yes. darwinism does find its origins within occultism. a Mystical/metaphysical concept was adopted into a secular/physical theory. i dont say this to knock the logical aspects such as the adaptations of species, but it goes signifigantly father than i am capable of expressing here. there is information on this topic readily available.
and yes. darwinism does find its origins within occultism. a Mystical/metaphysical concept was adopted into a secular/physical theory. i dont say this to knock the logical aspects such as the adaptations of species, but it goes signifigantly father than i am capable of expressing here. there is information on this topic readily available.
Whether this claim is true or not, it hardly matters because you yourself stated that it does not, in anyway, refute the foundations of biology. Isaac Newton dabbled into alchemy. So what? It may prick his credibility but we're no way close to discarding his contributions to science. It serves no purpose other than a red herring for the uninitiated to bite on.
If that's not the purpose, then why don't you just say it plain and clear. You seem to suggest that these unfounded beliefs, these pseudosciences, should not be ignored because, like evolution, they could turn out to be true. Yes, there are ancient beliefs out there who have known information ages before modern science came to explain. But in the end, you don't examine the natural world in a mystical laboratory.
IMO "God" is far too complex for a human being to comprehend, and if there is a God, he/she/it has much more on their resume than creating this petty planet we call home.
World religions are too simplistic and human-centric to account for all the amazing shit in the universe. God made Earth in a week? What about the other 99.99999999% of existence?
Religion is good if you need moral standards, science is good if you need to understand the universe.
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