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Women stoned for being raped?... You know what, **** this, i wont even reply here, i dont even know wtf u guys were told

Girl, 13, stoned for being raped

A woman having sex, if married she will be killed, if not married she wont be killed (this is just sex, being raped is totally different, and for sure she wont be killed)
I call bullshit on this ^ .

There are more stories like this out there! And that's Farking sickening.
Seriously, why is Islam so punitive and controlling?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1GH4g1kkFlc
I wish i could translate the comments.

Killing this guy is "forbidden" btw.. When there was no internet etc, people had to travel to deliver messages, even if from enemies, killing these people was 100% not allowed, and it applies to this guy too, killing him is a mistake that was made by some people who doesnt understand anything (even if he didnt say good stuff about arabs, killing him is forbidden because he is just a messenger)

Killing that girl is also forbidden, that girl shouldnt even be touched..

It's not solely Islam that is a cancer on the Earth, but both religion and politics together. Both feed off the ignorance of the masses and the inability to think critically. Combined with mass indoctrination you get what we have today. It seems illogical to argue about either, because the foundation of both rely on ignorance, close mindedness, fear, and pride. If you could use logic to sway those of a religious background, would they believe in it in the first place? Politics is a bit different, but the overall concept is the same. A few powerful people in the background feeding lies and misinformation to the public.

It's a depressing thought, knowing most people in this world are unfit to advance the human civilization as a whole and are actively taking steps backwards.

Just because Hejsan is also a western european it doesn't mean we share the same opinions about Islam. But it's nice to see you generalize all of us in response to our alleged generalization of you. The pot calling the kettle black.

I don't respect people solely because they are Muslim, Christian or Jew or whatever. I respect people for what they are and what they do. In your case I don't respect you because of your ignorance and intolerance. That you're Muslim has nothing to do with it at all. I'd dislike you if you were a non-believer too.
Also, what does being born gay have to do with anything? You conceive gay behavior to be acquired later on in life? As if its something you have to learn? This is bad then, I guess? Then let me ask you something: were you born Muslim?
Once again, I do not dislike Islam. I dislike you.

Dislike me all u want, im hurt.. Lol
Ignorance because i said gayness is sick?, well i think im the sick, ignorant and homophobic here, believe watever u want lawl, in my opinion noone is born gay, its not like that, its good u dislike me and not islam, thats actually the right thing to do, ill thank you.

I dont really need anyone to respect me here, its not like i care, its not like ull affect me in any way, so dislike me, dont respect me, doesnt matter.

In islam everyone is born "straight" (not straight in gay/straight, but idk a word that can describe what i meant) then his parents, society and the internet (lolz) change that.

I like Strwarrior. Do I agree with his opinions on things? Hell no. But I respect him for being bold enough to state them. Keeps things entertaining.

Agreed.


Also, homosexualism is a mental illness imo.

Having a discussion about this matter is impossible, because only a few people have actual knowledge about these matters. How can some of you be so influenced about what they hear in the news? I'm telling you, the reality is the complete opposite of what the media is trying to mske you believe.

Just travel the world and you will see how peaceful people really are, how many places there are in the world where people of all kinds of religions and races live happily and peacefully together. Most of people's fear is based on the unknown. They don't know about the reality in other nations and how the people there actually live. They base their worldview only on what they see on television or read on the internet/in newspapers, but that only covers like 0.000000001% of the total. Cultures can't be understanded and accepted unless they are experienced. In that way, ignorance is even a bigger threat then religon and politics combined will ever be. Only more understanding will bring us a peaceful world.

But judging by this thread and nowadays society, we have a long way to go. When there's a lack of understanding, especially about things other people care alot about, emotions run high and people start to take the wrong actions or say the wrong things. We're all guilty of that, because emotions are human. It's exactly why discussions about these kind of matters are so hard, because people care so much for what they believe in (just look at my rage in this thread lol). It's easy to say we can have a decent discussion about these kind of matters and that it is stupid to get angry, but that is hard to do when these matters have personally to do with you or personally affect you. When something becomes personal, it's hard to stay objective. Being passionate is something different then being stupid.

We need to try to understand other people's believes and convictions. I know it's hard, but that's why I'm telling you to go visit as many places in the world as you can. Believe me, your views about all kinds of matters will change dramatically.

Uhh huh. I want to you call you a moron, but I just can't bring myself to it. Oh wait I guess I did. Religion doesn't,well it probably does for some but it shouldn't, influence every action you take and somebody can and will snap into something sooner or later. You simply cannot say "OH WELL HE WASNT PART OF [x] BECAUSE OF WHAT HE DID."

Because if I did then you know what? I could say that there are tons of people in the middle east that aren't Muslim due to your logic. For example there are plenty of people that drink there. There are also quite a bit of 'sick' people, but here's the thing. You are gay only if you are receiving it. And so on. I could go on with every other religion as well, but I'd rather not.





How dare you insult my fox news! Though being 10 years old and 9/11 happened white people looked at me like I was suddenly going to explode. People are really that ignorant.

Though we should ahve expected this outcome. Like I've mentioned before it results in the same point every time relating to the middle east or Muslims.

Nice post heroo, too bad the first ones weren't like that.

I concur.

But I will add, while there is some truth to what Heroo say's, it's physically impossible for one to "experience" most cultures outside of their country. And by that I mean, I couldn't just go to say Iran and live there for a year. There's not enough time, or money, to do something like that. So while you're right, we do get most of our information from the news, there isn't really a whole lot of other options available for the the vast majority of the people in the world.

Doesn't matter world ends in Dec. 21 anyway. Woot looking forward to End of the world party.!!

Sro LAN party? I think so.

U dont look like a devil :O, most of my friends smoke, doesnt pray etc etc, im not that good too.


U still cant understand what im trying to tell you... Raping punishment is big in islam, And u should already know it but, this person shouldnt be taken as an example of a muslim guy, a real muslim wont go and tell people to cover everything, he will lower his gaze..

He shouldnt say smthn like: "well in islam the woman covers most of her body, if u dont cover it ill rape you"... If u wanna do smthn bad, dont include ur religion as an excuse because it will just make it look bad, and its not related to these stuff u wanna do..

While I largely agree with some things you've said, I also have a hard time accepting other things. The world is not a peaceful place. The middle east has several issues regarding women's rights and extremists in power, Africa has constant civil wars and famine, America has it's media polluted with misinformation and the country is essentially built on lobbying and greed, a large amount of countries are beginning to take away freedoms on the internet (sopa, pipa, whatever the hell else (acta?)) and we're slowly but surely moving in the wrong direction.

When you say things like "ignorance is even a bigger threat then religon and politics combined will ever be" I question your argument. Contrary to what you believe, religion and current politics are based on ignorance. Unfortunately this is where the argument ends, because as long as you have your faith, there is no reasoning between us.

I'm sorry if any of that offended you, but I base my criticism on a scientific approach to life and it's what I've concluded. While I don't hate religious people by any means, I do not in any way, shape, or form approve of it, especially when it interferes with State matters (ie separation of church & State).

First of all, I'm not offended in any way, so don't worry about that.

Also what you may regard as problems, like women rights in the Middle-East, only seem as problems from your Western point of view. You have to understand that the culture in the most Arabic is still very tradional. There are certain guidelines for men and women. Men are expected to bring in the money and women are expected to take care of the house and raise the children. However, they aren't forced to do so, but they choose freely to do so. This is the way they were raised and this is what all the people expect of them. This is a very important note, because this makes the difference between oppression and freedom. They get a feeling of pleasure and satisfaction from raising their children and they really see that as their main priority. This is why they don't really present themselfes in public, because most of the time they are doing the household and raising the children (it's custom in most Arabic countries to have alot of children, so they're kind of always busy lol). Most husbands treat their wifes as queens, because they grant them the biggest gift of all: children. You should see the amount of gold and all the things my dad buys for my mother, you wouldn't believe your eyes haha. He really does anything for her and her opinion is very important to him. And it's not only my dad, but I've seen it everywhere in every Arab country I went to. Just because the profile of an average Arab women doesn't fit with the expectations Western people have of women, doesn't mean they are oppressed. It just means there is a difference in culture and therefor the role of women in general. Both of my sisters were raised in Holland and totally not in the tradional Arab way, but they both chose to move back to Iraq because they enjoy being there alot. My oldest sister even is married now and has 3 wonderful kids and a wonderful husband. She is very happy. Often I would ask her if she never thinks back of coming back to Holland but she always says no and tells me she has never been happier in her life. If you would go those countries and would have the chance to talk to some women you would have all of what I said confirmed by those same women you see as oppressed.

I just used this as an example, because this one is closest to me, but his goes for alot of things you see as 'wrong'. Wrong and right are totally relative, it really depends on your culture, the way you were raised, your values, your views etc.

And about Africa, I've actually lived in Tanzania for 4 months and though I've indeed seen alot of poverty, I've rarely seen more happy and generous people in my life. I would wake up every morning to find my neighbour had delivered fresh mangos to my house. I was invited to nearly every home in the village I was staying in and even though the people didn't really have that much, they did their best to give me the best treatment they could. This only shows the strength of people that they are still being able to keep fun in life even though they live under such harsh circumtances.

Sure there alot of problems, but they rarely have anything to do with the people themselfes, but with the people in charge. This goes for extremists and corrupt leaders. Did you know most people in Iran are very modern and don't have any affinity at all with their government? All the problems are the result of dirty games being played by political leaders and extremists who are going after what's good for them personally rather then what's good for the people. The only thing I can blame the people here is that they don't do anything about it, even though I fully understand it's hard and in some cases nearly impossible. But if they themselfes as citizens of that country can't do anything about it, then who can?

Also when you say religion is based on ignorance, you confirm what I am saying. Religion isn't based on ignorance, but on faith. And you are right about the arguement ending here, but as long as we both understand where we are coming coming from, there is no problem at all and thus making this whole arguement irrelevant.

Sorry for the long post, but I can't explain otherwise and I actually shortened it alot lol.

@Tasdik

I am not saying you should go live there. A couple of days in a country will make you learn more about that country then you ever could by watching TV or reading the newspapers. An example: when I was young I would hear alot of stories on the news about racist incidents in Eastern Europe. The newspapers would write frequently about racist extremists organizing protest etc. and I've seen alot of videos of racial violence in countries in Eastern Europe. I always thought people in Eastern Europe were racist. A couple of years ago I made a roadtrip through Eastern Europe with my uncle and a nephew. All of my prejudices were proven wrong. The people turned out to be very nice hospitable. I even remember an incident in Budapest where a guy was calling a black woman some racist names and the whole crowd turned against him. The whole street chased after him and after they caught him they held him captive until the police arrived. I really felt guilty to ever have thought bad of those people, because I couldn't be more wrong. I had so many good times during that roadtrip.

My point is: I'm not saying you should go live somewhere, just go visit it. You'll get chance to meet the people in person and experience their culture yourself. That is why I hate the media so much because alot of they are trying to make you believe is totally wrong. They show you like a couple of hundred of idiots and want to make you believe the whole country is like them. Just remember, bad people are always the exception, always!

EDIT: I think this is my longest post ever lol!

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Read a couple of posts in the first page man I'll be back and troll the shit out of you guys !! I miss the retards over here

It's actually funny how most people over here talk about the middle east and Islam as if they are experts! hahaha at Tasdik man you have no clue how ignorant you sound !!

again, how about everyone quits religion and just hates each other for who we are, not what we believe in.

/hippiestatement

RIP VILE RAT

Busy :O really busy lol

Busy :O really busy lol

hahaha oh man how did I not see this earlier. I sure hope that was a sick troll attempt