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now a lot of this shows it's natural some have become endangered though over hunting and we risk extinction; conservationist, zoo's & safari's are all doing what they can to preserve species for future generations. Budu you have not done a single shred of research this whole argument to support anything you are saying, you have no sources no nothing. if i didn't know something i said i didn't know it but i did give my best account. that's why you are pissing me off, you are all talk.

so to say they have done pretty well isn't exactly true, iv got to go out so didnt bother with the endangered stats you can do that

I wonder what/who caused this.

just shut up, starting to sound like a hippy.

"got to fight the man", "fight the system", "pharmaceuticals are lies"

look if you wont accept anything anyone in this thread is saying just fuck off because im getting fed up of this one view attitude. Look up what we are saying form a view and be willing to accept new ideas. the world over just the past 10 years has changed how we treat animals with new and tighter animal legislation at least in the UK, but you don't seem to understand some of the animals CANT be released they would die, do you have any pets? ever had any pets? could a normal dog survive a good standard of life if left to it's own devises? no.

Yes shit happens animals get captured and abused, but with how the world is changing people don't want to go to an animal circus no more, so circus's have changed some still use animals but they cant in the UK because of the law and those animals if saved from that environment will never survive so we give them a good life they eat well, get exercise and can breed.

Zoo's & Safaris have a good chance to help animals and keep research projects going, conservation, re-population thanks to visitors otherwise no one would invest the world is run by money so money will play a part.

I'm leaving this thread i can't be bothered to repeat myself to someone who clearly know's fuck all, wont bother doing a simple Google search just to check up what he is saying hell cant even adapt his views. starting to sound like a religion. one way of doing things. one view and not budging.


turns out the venue is closed didn't need to go out could have left with a better reply earlier meh

I doubt humans are to be blamed the most.

You guessed wrong!... lulz

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Humans weren't around for the 500 millions of years since the first land animals and plants evolved, and a lot of animals went extinct during that time period.

Just think about this! Some animals are extinct because of humans!

^Yeah, I know, but 1000 out of 1-4 billion species is not really significant.

1000 species out of 100000000.

You want to argue that we have even made a dent in that number?

EDIT: And please, for your own sake, think about what you're about to post before you post it.

I couldn't watch the part where they shot the lion .

After all, you weren't around millions years ago.
Second "evolution is Just a theory" And seriously, who knows how many animals went extinct?
But I bet.. there are many species went extinct because of humans.

In this Conservancy the rhinos are protected by armed men to keep them from falling in the hands of poachers who are after them for their horns.

The population of these animals was very low to begin(judging by the information that is given) with but yes, humans seem to be the reason these animals are going to eventually go extinct but humans are also trying to protect them from becoming extinct by having them in places where they are safe from poachers like zoos and the conservancy in Kenya.

Animals go extinct, survival of the fittest, if you don't adapt you die. It's been happening since before people were around to document it and it will continue to happen, human interference of other wise. While the amount of animals that are said to be extinct because of humans does seem insignificant, to the number of animals still alive, it is a tragedy to see.

Now I ask you this: Would you still rather this have these animals left on their own, in the wild, to be inevitably killed and become extinct or would you rather have people bring them to sanctuaries and zoos to live their lives out and too also have a fighting chance of coming back from the brink of extinction?

The amount of stupidity in that video seems to be infinite:
- They seemed so quite the whole time which was weird for such occasion.
- one of them decided to film it instead of helping(he started filming after the guy got bitten so it's not coincidence).
- the guy was holding the lion's head, and suddenly decided to let it go, then he panicked when the lion bit the man's neck, what did you expect you let the lion go!!
- they couldn't control the lion for 5 seconds to open the door and pull the guy out, and it's a circus!!

Scientific theory. Its not the same as everyday term theory. Like Theory of Gravity and such.

But this one has no horns.

They were shaved off so that poachers would have no interest in them.

Better question to me is..

Why do any of you think a species going "extinct" is a bad thing?

The extinction of certain species may cause the collapse of ecosystems that provide us with food and have other repercussions.

This kinda sums it up
http://neilhorton.hubpages.com/hub/shou ... ng-extinct

I'm confused, this article only cites instances of how a species being alive results in good for other species, however simply stating that is not proof a species going extinct is bad. Everything good resulting from extinction is being ignored in this evidence (such as other species thriving and evolving more because their predators are extinct).

Natural selection works in such a way that everything conforms to a balanced state, because everything is constantly evolving in ways such that they maximize their ability to "live". Any changes could cause problems, that's true, but the system as a whole eventually returns to relative order.

1) Why is there a dog inside the lion's cage? Why would you put them in the same place? If the lion trainer is responsible for that, I'm glad he got mauled.

2) As someone who has saved lives before: Between a stranger's and an animal's life? Don't be surprised if I choose a cat or a dog. I'm not saying this to be a jerk..I really mean it. Hell, I donate to the ASPCA monthly because I really do care for their cause but I just never managed to give two shits about humans.

3) Animal zoos are prisons for animals. Animal sanctuaries are meant to protect them from natural occurrences that threaten their well-being and people (hunters, for example).

Yes, naturally. But us humans have fcked up the balance. Normally, new species develop, through a process known as speciation, at about the same rate that other species become extinct. However, because of air and water pollution, forest clearing, loss of wetlands, and other man-induced environmental changes, extinctions are now occurring at a rate that far exceeds the speciation rate. Each extinction diminishes the diversity and complexity of life on earth. The loss of a single species may result in few environmental repercussions however, all life on earth is interconnected. If enough "living connections" are broken, whole ecosystems could fail the balance of nature could be forever altered, and our own survival could be jeopardized.

LOL at you retards who care more about an animal's life then a person's life. You guys are the weak point of this society.

I understand all of that and it's pretty much derived from the post I quoted. The problem is the last bit

"and our own survival could be jeopardized", any conclusive evidence on this? Who's to say having less, more powerful species is worse than having many fragile ones? On the flip side I could argue that eliminating viruses from the world is the exact same thing as killing a species (because it is). How can we gauge the effect of the loss of small pox on our ecosystems? It seems like a poorly constructed argument which bears the "don't do it because we don't know what will happen" tag.

I can't believe there are still people out there who say: "Evolution is just a theory."

^ Well, It's Just a theory.. Just like the theory of gravity.

The guy survived.. Didn't He?

The poor dog... maybe been put in as a "distraction to get the lion away from the guy"?

Anyway, you can train a wild animal.. but you can never "domesticate a wild animal such as a lion"

@Azilius: Because we want to save a species going extinct doesn't necessarily mean we think its a bad thing for nature as a whole. I figure we're trying to do the best thing for the species going extinct. Obviously I can't argue for everyone else but that's why I think most people think we need to save them.

You're trolling, right?