Post subject: Re: Texas set to allow guns on college campuses.
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:49 am
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Love wrote:
Thanks and those requirements aren't nearly as nasty as I thought they'd be.
Nope. As long as your not one to break the law or have $65 and show you have competence while shooting a handgun, then you can get your chl. The only thing I need to get mine is to be 21 =\
Post subject: Re: Texas set to allow guns on college campuses.
Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:47 pm
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If someone wants to carry a gun and kill someone else they're going to do it. Why forbid citizens from legally carrying guns? Do you really think banning guns will stop criminals or the mentally unhinged from illegally obtaining one and shooting up the place? Anti-gun laws hurt law-abiding citizens more than they hurt criminals.
On the topic of statistics showing guns cause a lot of deaths in the U.S.: Statistics show numbers. Statistics do not tell you how those guns were obtained (likely illegally) and who they were held by (likely criminals with records).
Post subject: Re: Texas set to allow guns on college campuses.
Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:52 pm
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McLovin1t wrote:
Barotix in theory that sounds great, but you do realize tens of thousands of guns are stolen per year, also when you own a gun you are about 5 to 20 times more likely to commit suicide, be in a gun related accident (duh, still bad though) etc. Also tens of thousands of guns are misplaced from gun markets... Basically background checks still fail due to fake ids etc. (look to loughner, vtech), so prior to anything being said about an actual situation with a gun, with more guns out there, stats show more idiots will get guns.
*Pulled from gay marriage thread*
So the solution is to NOT allow LAW ABIDING citizens to carry weapons for defense while these countless missing/stolen/illegally obtained/ unrecoverable weapons float around in the 'crime' populace of America.
Post subject: Re: Texas set to allow guns on college campuses.
Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:06 pm
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I think you are missing the point of my argument. I am not even going to lie I have absolutely no idea how you even came up with your ridiculous representation of my argument. So I'll just let you think what you want I guess. I mean the stats that I show you guys explain that when we keep producing guns and have guns on the streets (very weak gun laws in various states) these guns are easily transported and misplaced yearly. So basically if you consider the INCREDIBLY small percentage of gun situations in which self defense solves for a policy change, then go ahead. However if you want to look to pragmatics/statistics, then you have to look to increased gun laws, and reducing the amount of guns produced per year, because this leads to less guns in households and logically (sorry if you can't follow this part ) less guns being stolen, and therefore used each year.
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Post subject: Re: Texas set to allow guns on college campuses.
Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:21 pm
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Ok fair enough. Thorough background checks then? A required safety course? Training? That's all fine and dandy for the people who follow the law. Again, people who don't follow the law and want a firearm...well...
Reduce production = less guns in households... um, what? A person doesn't have a gun in their home because there was a surplus at the firearm factory. They have one because they went out and willingly purchased one. What the **** does production have to do with the number of legally purchased firearms in households.
I don't own several weapons because the factory had to many and forced me to buy them. I have them because I went out and bought them...
Answer this: Do you foresee and hope your proposals lead to the eventual removal of firearms from society? Yes or no?
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) less guns being stolen, and therefore used each year.
