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Dude I used to go to church every Sunday with my grandparents. And Sunday School before that.

I know enough.

When you believe religion is as simple as going to hell or die, it shows you don't understand what religion is; so instead of outright saying his post was retarded, I said he wasn't exposed to religion.

An add-on note to that - each religion is different and believe many different things. You can't assume that every religion believes that if you don't 'live like this, you're going to hell'. I for one don't even believe in hell.

Not all of us have the luxury of sitting down to type out pages and pages on philosophical questions to the sound of "what is religion". Briefly, I think everyone could agree that religions bring a set of morals and ethics to their followers, guiding them through life to ultimately be rewarded with a place in heaven or be banished to hell (or something equivalent). Seeing that the later is partial motivation for following religious dogma, I would say that his statement is correct albeit flat.

For a very very long time that was the basic sermon for most preachers. Live like this or go to hell. It is not uncommon in many Catholic churches today to find that same sermon being given with minor changes. For alot of people the thought of some giant cosmic douche controlling everything but not interfering with anything BUT telling you to live life how he says it is enough to make them shy away from religion. To you (and I) this is not a good reason to disregard religion if thoughts stop there, however if the person were to delve deeper into the basic argument of "why should i do what cosmos douche tells me to do" they could actually come up with alot of good reasons to ignore religion and the belief in God. Who is to say he hasn't and didn't feel like posting the deeper aspects especially when "Live like this or go to hell" is the bulk of the old testament....probably all the old testament.

EDIT: i guess the old testament would be more like "Live like this and you're going to hell anyway"

If you don't have the time you type what you think, don't type a two lined ridiculous summary of books hundreds of pages long, holy to many, and expect people to be content with it.



If that your interpretation of religion, then be it, if you think religion is some big threat of believe or go to hell, I'm not at all surprised why you are atheist, and for your sake I hope you stay atheist.



Since when was this about the Catholic church? People are summarising religions into a 'believe or go to hell' idea. Cosmo douche? Apparently, 84% of the world's population believe in some sort of 'cosmo douche' or other, as for the Catholic church, how many Catholic sermons have you attended for you to pass such an unfair judgement?
Also that ignorant little remark you made at the end, it really shows how much you think of all the Jews and Christians doesn't it?

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You farking schooled Xem.

The old testament offers no salvation for christians. Jews get off easy since Hell has no meaning to them. So to Jews its basically "Live like this" for Christians its "Live like this and you're going to go to hell anyway" since salvation isn't offered until the New Testament. Now that that is cleared up plz understand that i was using the Catholic church as an example because as the recent Pope has made it abundantly clear, there is a way God wants you live your life and a way he does not. In reality you'd be hard pressed to find a dogma of Christianity that does say "such and such will condemn you to hell". So no its not about the Catholic Church, you made it about the Catholic church bu its not about that at all. And believe it or not i've attended several catholic services as well as baptist and i've even visited a Mosque though i didn't stay or any kind of service.

Lastly, don't throw numbers at me. Just because ALOT of ppl think a certain way DOES NOT infer that any of those ppl are right, or smart, or any better than the percentage that doesn't believe it, especially when it comes to religion. And to be fair not all Gods are as douchey as Old testament God, and when they are at least they own up to it and say hey, im gonna screw you over, thats what im here for. Not pretend that even after he turned a city to dust and killed all non believers he's still the good guy...cause that makes sense.

+1 The Old Testament was some hardcore shit.

Agnostic here kthnx

I dont believe in God. My family does, but i dont, i just tag along when they go to church once a month. If there was really a God, why does 4chan still exist?

No point trying to argue over religion, your not going to change anything. There will always be someone who will believe in the cosmic jew or that nothing exploded for no reason.

this stuff is geeting pretty damn annoying...

I can haz lock?

Hmmmmmmmm

Okkai. This thread is over.

edit: Xem bribed me.

HOLY SHIT MOD WARS! I JUST SAW IT LOCKED THE UNLOCKED!

Only cause its better than the mindless crap thats been littering the OTL recently. I mean yeah we've done this b4 and yeah the first pages were crap but when topics like "Whats yoru Favorite Pokemon: Choices Bulbasaur or Other" are running rampant we need something that can actually be discussed, and its not like we're ripping each others heads off this is pretty civil so far.


So Icy if you don't like it you can go back to doing more mindless spam and stay away from here....the big kids are talking.


btw .rek locked and unlocked it crim...

..lolcrim

KK How do you guys feel about the "Second comming of the Messiah"?

Edit:

Buddhism -> Rebirth? = KICKASS.

Editx2: Funny Story.

-I go to a catholic high school

Okay so..one day we had like Easter Mass or something, and it was time to go receive communion. I don't go because im not christian/catholic and because i dun liekz dough. K back to story, my friend goes and he receives communion, but he too doesnt like the taste of dough; so while hes coming back to his seat, he put the dough into his pocket and a teacher saw him. Seeing as its a catholic highschool, the teacher immediately grabbed him and talked to him. My friend came back and I asked what did she say? And he said "Nothing, she just bitched at me about how I just put God into my pocket".

luulll

Je ne puis songer : Que cette horloge existe et n'ait point d'horloger.

-Voltaire


But i dont believe in god.

Discarding the flaming discussions above, which you always seem to get when it's about religion and someone is somewhat sensitive to the subject..

I do believe in god. However, i dislike the church, and the entire muppet show around it. Faith, in my opinion is something personal, which i'm not willing to share with any priest. neither do i like sitting in a bench and being told, in a way, how to live my faith.

How is Christian salvation/ Catholic doctrine relevant to the existence of God, and that all religions are not just about 'believe/go to hell'?
Whatever you are trying to say, your posts seems to be filled with errors and inconsistencies.



Yes exactly, A LOT of people believe in a religion of some sort yet you so lightly go and band their God as some "cosmic douche", yet despite know the fact many people believe in this "cosmic douche" you continue to insensitively disrespect the subject of their beliefs, and now make specific comments about the God of Judaism, Christianity and the Muslims would say Islam and for that matter my God.


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My whole response stems from uber-righteous rant that i first quoted...whether you're ignoring that or haven't realized it yet i dunno but rest assured there are NO errors in what i posted, that info is straight from the bible and the accepted beliefs of Christians and Jews.

actually i lump the Judo-christian-Islam God as the same one...when i broke the "God" thing apart i was more specifically referring to hindus who pantheon of Gods offer good, bad, and the i do what i please....i like that, it seems honest. Instead of saying "This guy is good and theres a reason why your whole family died horribly of cancer leaving you orphaned and homeless to die miserably alone, theres a plan." They can say "____ didn't like you so he f*cked your life up....better luck next time." But i digress because if your pattern is consistent i doubt you'll understand this paragraph anyway...

also im not going to stop calling him a cosmic douche, anyone that knows everything about everything, then creates you knowing full you won't end up following the rules he's made up for you, then punishes you for all eternity for it....come on...thats just being a d*ck.

Then there can be no intelligible discussion.

When you stubbornly label the God of the Three major religions (Christianity, Judaism, Islam) as a 'cosmic douche' it shows your complete lack of respect, and really your arrogance, and lack of respect for other people and their beliefs.
Moreover I dare to say you've not read the Quran or the Hadith before you insulted the Muslim's God.


No I'm afraid not, your writing shows you are desperate to try and convey a confused message, or simply speaking of meaningless words.

Any ways, I refuse to continue to talk of God with someone who calls him a dick and cosmic douche.

Muslim God=>Christian God=>Jewish God....thats just history. You can choose to ignore it or get caught up in your system of beliefs but that just what it is when strip away all the petty BS.

other ppl seem to get my point but you keep treating it like its over your head, i dunno.

i call God a douche, which is imo completely understandable if you read the Old Testament, you say im disrespecting your religion and i guess i am but thats more my "beliefs" than disrespecting your religion. This guys sums up my feelings better than i can.

My 2 Cents --


People believe in what they want, it is life, it is culture.

Some people might not believe in your beliefs or anything at all, as humans and members of our society that is our choice.

Now, this is were I have a problem with Xem...

If you do not believe in something is does not give you the right to insult and try to disprove that belief, that is going against the right for someone to believe in something without be prosecuted for it.

Xem, I belive in God, some people do, respect this belief as I am yours and do not tarnish the name of my God.

I am Christian BTW.

XemnasXD, "Muslim God=>Christian God=>Jewish God"
That ridiculous yet again shows your lack of knowledge, as for the Epicurus thing, my response in the story of Job I posted earlier.
Other that "There is no compulsion in religion" and all I can do is pray to God to forgive what you've said today.


Me too, what church do you belong to?
I'm Lutheran

I am too, my Mother's side are all German Lutherans.

But my Father's side a deeply Roman Catholic.

Ooh wow what a coincidence, my parents were both agnostic but my mother's Christian now, but not really devout.

Nowhere did i say your beliefs were wrong, the title of the topic is do you believe in God, if you can't handle a dissenting opinion to "yes", and believe me i haven't given mine yet, you'd probably be better off stay out of the topic because your being entirely over sensitive. Im giving my beliefs based on what i've read (The bible) and while you may find it insulting and yes the term is a little crude God pretty much bitchslaps ppl constantly for the first half of the Bible no matter how you want to spin it. How should i feel about a guy who floods the entire world killing everyone and everything thats not on a special boat of ppl he hand picked to live. Should i call him nice, misunderstood, a great guy. No....he's not acting nice or good or kind or whatever. So what should i say he's acting like then...

Its not like im pulling this stuff out my ass its in the book. What would you call me if i decided i didn't like the world and wanted to restart so i killed EVERYONE except for this one guy i liked and some animals.....

you'd call me alot of things but im sure they'd all be negative. Why can't the same logic be applied when a god does it.


And yes First came the Jews they created the Tanakh which is basically the Oldtestament. Then the Christians came along and the only difference between the two was originally Christians though Jesus was the son of God, Jews did not. You could say Christianity is in a way simply a dogma of Judism, Christians made the bible. Then After that came along the Muslims, thats right, a religion not even 2000 years old and its so popular with the kids today, the Quran draws heavily from the books of the Bible and Tanakh. So Yeah

Jews them Christians then Muslims and its all the same God with a different belief structure and name. Xuchu you can pout blasphemy all you want but it doesn't change facts. Don't call me ignorant especially when im just right, makes you look like a fundamentalist.

Some call able yet unwilling to be malevolent. I call it free will. I'm not sure I'd want God to intervene in everything He sees as wrong. That would make us little more than puppets on a string, to be corrected at every wrong move we make. How about we take responsibility for our own actions for a change?

Man has no one to blame other than ourselves for the origin of evil in this world.

See now thats the flaw

"God created everything"

Is evil not included in that?