Cattle cloned from dead animals

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Fri Aug 13, 2010 5:39 pm

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It has been revealed that some of the cattle cloned to help food production in the US used cells from dead animals.

The technique was used because only after the deceased animal's carcass has been examined can the quality of the meat be determined, exceptional subjects are then picked for use in the cloning process.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-10951108

*BlackFox · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 7923 **Location:**

Cloning is Just wrong and insane!

Tasdik · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 13206 **Location:** Life

Unless it's a clone of myself. Then I'm totally okay with it.

Gaigemasta · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 4474 **Location:**

I just find cloning awesome, we're able to utilize science, religious people just hate it because we act like gods even more now, and they can't handle themselves

Nick Invaders · **Joined:** Apr 2009 **Posts:** 1105 **Location:**

Gaige wrote:

I just find cloning awesome, we're able to utilize science, religious people just hate it because we act like gods even more now, and they can't handle themselves

We're using magic!
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

William-CL · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 7363 **Location:** N/A

Pfft I can miracle my food into existence. Screw your science.

Crowley · **Posted:** Sat Aug 14, 2010 8:08 am

Ror wrote:

Would cloned meat taste exactly the same? :o

Of course it would.

You guys realize cloning isn't like you put an animal into a machine then 2 hours later 2 of the same animal walk back out. It's actually a really simple procedure which involves nuclear transfer. What they do is extract the nucleus from an egg of an animal, let's say dog, so that it contains no genetic information whatsoever. Then they take the DNA of another dog and put it in the egg so that it only has the genetic information of one dog, therefore it will be more or less the same.

Once again, grade 11 Biology FTW!

poehalcho · **Posted:** Sat Aug 14, 2010 8:52 am

^yeah but, it'll still need to have followed exactly the same diet in order to taste the same

. meat is meat, but what's gone into the meat matters as well.

*BlackFox · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 7923 **Location:**

Gaige wrote:

I just find cloning awesome

Just Meh!... It's not quite as simple as it sounds and cloning is expensive.

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They say few consumers will ever eat a cloned animal anyway,
because they are expensive -- up to $20,000 compared to $1,000 for
a normal cow -- and are used for breeding.

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Cloning is the final assault on their well-being and dignity. When the FDA held a public meeting on animal cloning in November 2003, researchers reported a graphic list of problems for clones and their surrogate mothers in cattle, pigs, sheep, and goats—a string of developmental abnormalities and a host of deaths before, during, and after birth. The cloned animals exhibited grievous welfare problems, such as cows with grossly enlarged udders, major leg problems, and other forms of lameness. And these are the very animals trumpeted as success stories.

At the same meeting, researchers reported that among the 134 embryos that survived to term in the largest sample of clones to date, nearly a third of them died before or after birth or within the first year. The FDA put a nice spin on this when it said, "The proportion of live, normal births appears to be increasing." In other words, the situation has improved from atrocious to very bad.

That doesn't sound so good, does it?

omier · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 5985 **Location:** ...

I hate cloning.

Pan_Raider(`_´) · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 4737 **Location:**

as long as this helps us find out how to grow back amputees' limbs, eyeballs, weld bones and regrow skin, i'm all for it.

VforVendetta · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 1615 **Location:**

inb4 cloning is against the word of god.

Cloning could very well save lives or help people and animals later on.

Love · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 5336 **Location:**

As much as I want to say cloning is the coolest thing ever I am not for playing with crap I eat ..

fckerr · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 1914 **Location:** Bulgaria

Yay Silo's back :sohappy:

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Sat Aug 14, 2010 12:49 pm

Well, genetic information is one thing. How it growths, caught virus during its lifetime is a different story.
Beside, the cost spends in cloning is much more higher than the cost to make the cattle have sex and reproduce naturally.

dom · **Posted:** Sat Aug 14, 2010 12:52 pm

NuclearSilo wrote:

Well, genetic information is one thing. How it growths, caught virus during its lifetime is a different story.
Beside, the cost spends in cloning is much more higher than the cost to make the cattle have sex and reproduce naturally.

You have put sex on tape in video and sell internet make money enough for price of growthing.

Squirt · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 8186 **Location:**

What if we take the cells of hot dead women and start brothels
Call it the necro inn

Gaigemasta · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 4474 **Location:**

*BlackFox wrote:

Gaige wrote:

I just find cloning awesome

Just Meh!... It's not quite as simple as it sounds and cloning is expensive.

Quote:

They say few consumers will ever eat a cloned animal anyway,
because they are expensive -- up to $20,000 compared to $1,000 for
a normal cow -- and are used for breeding.

Quote:

Cloning is the final assault on their well-being and dignity. When the FDA held a public meeting on animal cloning in November 2003, researchers reported a graphic list of problems for clones and their surrogate mothers in cattle, pigs, sheep, and goats—a string of developmental abnormalities and a host of deaths before, during, and after birth. The cloned animals exhibited grievous welfare problems, such as cows with grossly enlarged udders, major leg problems, and other forms of lameness. And these are the very animals trumpeted as success stories.

At the same meeting, researchers reported that among the 134 embryos that survived to term in the largest sample of clones to date, nearly a third of them died before or after birth or within the first year. The FDA put a nice spin on this when it said, "The proportion of live, normal births appears to be increasing." In other words, the situation has improved from atrocious to very bad.

That doesn't sound so good, does it?

The research and development was, the process, not so much. Like Tsume said, it's a simple process. When I learned the basics on how to clone I was disappointed because its almost just giving birth to a animal, its not a machine pumping them out.

*BlackFox · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 7923 **Location:**

Gaige wrote:

The research and development was, the process, not so much. Like Tsume said, it's a simple process. When I learned the basics on how to clone I was disappointed because its almost just giving birth to a animal, its not a machine pumping them out.

You thought it would be an alien? didn't you? lulz
Well, I don't think it's that simple and for ****'s sake.. Why clone in the first place?
Just keep it natural.

Gaigemasta · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 4474 **Location:**

They cloned them because they knew those cows were in the best fit condition to produce the best quality meat, gentically of course, not just through how the raise them

Goseki · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 3452 **Location:**

The thing about cloning that's so difficult and results in dying clones is that they're cloning starting from old and inserting it into new. As you age, your DNA changes. The biggest problems is there are still parts of the DNA that can't be fixed. Hence, a lot of clones experience problems they normally would have later in life, or even accelerated aging.

Pinoy_Archer · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 937 **Location:** Home

i see cloning is good,but rather not cloning humans.

At our current population state where every country has its problem regarding the financially broke, starving, famine, over population, squatters and no family planning(srsly, i know tons of families who has like 10 members of the family and their parents barely make an income). Its hard to see that cloning for humans is (what word should i say...) not worth it.

Cloning for animals are probably fine for me. But the cost though is inconsiderable, LOOOOL 10K for a cloned cow(better if i change diet,Vegetarian

), but hopefully when technology increases the cost of it would go down.

just the things in my head

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Sat Aug 14, 2010 7:55 pm

cloned animals possess the same DNA?

Gaigemasta · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 4474 **Location:**

NuclearSilo wrote:

cloned animals possess the same DNA?

pretty much, but can get altered through time, but its the same as the owner of it before

/Pi · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 4592 **Location:**

The problem with cloning is... wait for it, wait for it... the lack of genetic variation. If you have a population of cattle that are genetically the same, it just takes one upperhand from the other camp of the biological armsrace to wipe out your beef.

Gaigemasta · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 4474 **Location:**

That's why cloning shouldn't be mass produced, but it can provide research for other things and actually be very useful. But time after time religion has to put it's foot in and try to delay the progress of science, then ofcourse they have helped with it

Deadsolid · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 1789 **Location:**

*BlackFox wrote:

Cloning is Just wrong and insane!

Cloning may save your life one day.

Love · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 5336 **Location:**

I just wanted to share that I don't think feeding ourselves "cloned food" is even remotely a good idea. What I know about food aside I will just say that our meat/cattle is good/healthy enough as is ( if you ignore the garbage they feed them that turns them also into garbage that is ) and blah blah, cloning hasn't been studied enough and once again our animals are fine ie there is zero need for this garbage and stop not questioning your food sources.

Crowley · **Posted:** Sun Aug 15, 2010 10:09 am

Goseki wrote:

The thing about cloning that's so difficult and results in dying clones is that they're cloning starting from old and inserting it into new. As you age, your DNA changes. The biggest problems is there are still parts of the DNA that can't be fixed. Hence, a lot of clones experience problems they normally would have later in life, or even accelerated aging.

That reminds me of that sheep that was cloned, Molly or something rather. It developed arthritis very early for a sheep.

Deadsolid wrote:

Cloning may save your life one day.

So true.

Love wrote:

I just wanted to share that I don't think feeding ourselves "cloned food" is even remotely a good idea. What I know about food aside I will just say that our meat/cattle is good/healthy enough as is ( if you ignore the garbage they feed them that turns them also into garbage that is ) and blah blah, cloning hasn't been studied enough and once again our animals are fine ie there is zero need for this garbage and stop not questioning your food sources.

The process of cloning is very simple, it just comes down to morals. The question is not 'can we clone' but instead it's 'should we'.

Love · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 5336 **Location:**

Tsume wrote:

The process of cloning is very simple, it just comes down to morals. The question is not 'can we clone' but instead it's 'should we'.

Cool show me studies I can check of healthy cloned animals that have been observed for some time, I would then like a much larger set of studies + human trials over a reasonable period of time. Think then I would feel comfortable starting to worry about "morals". Did I mention our cattle is just fine ?

This sounds like that one thing .. what is it call ? GMUs.. Os ?.. perhaps you should look into it and tell me how awesome they are >.>

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