Texas set to allow guns on college campuses.

EvGa · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 2612 **Location:** Texas

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(AP)

AUSTIN - Texas is preparing to give college students and professors the right to carry guns on campus, adding momentum to a national campaign to open this part of society to firearms.

More than half the members of the Texas House have signed on as co-authors of a measure directing universities to allow concealed handguns. The Senate passed a similar bill in 2009 and is expected to do so again. Republican Gov. Rick Perry, who sometimes packs a pistol when he jogs, has said he's in favor of the idea.

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Guns on campus bills have been rejected in 23 states since 2007, but gun control activists acknowledge it will be difficult to stop the Texas bill from passing this year. "Things do look bleak," said Colin Goddard, assistant director of federal legislation for the Brady Campaign Against Gun Violence, who was in Austin recently to lobby against the Texas bills.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/02/ ... 4291.shtml

Dis sho am good. Serious.

I had already planned to get my CHL this summer.

Discuss/Debate. I'll probably fire back. Keep it civil please.

For those who don't read the article: THIS WOULD APPLY ONLY TO STUDENTS / PROFESSORS WHO HAVE A CHL LICENSE. In other words, licensed to conceal carry a weapon. Must be 21 years of age+, no criminal record, no default on loans, delinquent child support, etc. Extensive background checks are done as well as training, fees, and tests.

hey · **Joined:** Feb 2011 **Posts:** 194 **Location:** sup

LOOOOL, icdeadppls

*BlackFox · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 7923 **Location:**

EvGa wrote:

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AUSTIN - Texas is preparing to give college students and professors the right to carry guns on campus

This is utterly insane!

Shomari · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 2341 **Location:** Limbo

If someone is going to kill somebody they're not really going to care if they are allowed to or not.
No big deal here.

*BlackFox · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 7923 **Location:**

Shomari wrote:

No big deal here.

huh? Seriously, I don't get why the heck, they need guns
when violent crimes on college campuses are rare. That's farked up

EvGa · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 2612 **Location:** Texas

*BlackFox wrote:

Shomari wrote:

No big deal here.

huh? Seriously, I don't get why the heck, they need guns
when violent crimes on college campuses are rare. That's farked up

Why not? A CHL holder can carry in public. Why not on campus? If I go through the training, time, money, etc to get my CHL for protection purposes I want to be able to defend myself everywhere. This includes in the classroom.

hey · **Joined:** Feb 2011 **Posts:** 194 **Location:** sup

EvGa wrote:

*BlackFox wrote:

Shomari wrote:

No big deal here.

huh? Seriously, I don't get why the heck, they need guns
when violent crimes on college campuses are rare. That's farked up

Why not? A CHL holder can carry in public. Why not on campus? If I go through the training, time, money, etc to get my CHL for protection purposes I want to be able to defend myself everywhere. This includes in the classroom.

People use too much ˝best defense is good offense˝.

Squirt · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 8186 **Location:**

"I told you no cheating on the test "
*shoots cheating students*

EvGa · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 2612 **Location:** Texas

hey wrote:

People use too much ˝best defense is good offense˝.

No, in this case it is strictly defense. *Guy pulls gun in class* *guy is shot dead by a licensed carrier.

Everyone keep in mind, this applies to individuals who poses a CHL. They won't be passing out weapons to students at freshmen orientation.

*BlackFox · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 7923 **Location:**

EvGa wrote:

This includes in the classroom.

What if the teacher flips out in the classroom? or a "licensed" student?
Well, and somebody would take that weapon away from them and use it?

Toasty · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 2568 **Location:**

Would scare the hell out of me if that happened in the UK.

But then the UK isnt Texas.

EvGa · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 2612 **Location:** Texas

*BlackFox wrote:

EvGa wrote:

This includes in the classroom.

What if the teacher flips out in the classroom? or a "licensed" student?
Well, and somebody would take that weapon away from them and use it?

Good luck stealing my weapon from my concealed holster. It is a concealed handgun license (CHL). You can't just walk around with a weapon in your hand. Not to mention, nobody in class will or should know that you carry, hence the concealed part. Except maybe your friend/s.

What if somebody flips out and brings a gun to a no-gun zone? Your argument is not very strong.

.curve · **Posted:** Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:53 pm

All of the "what if's" that you guys are presenting can be countered by the fact that if CHL holders are able to/and do carry a concealed weapon on them, they are likely/able to stop someone from snapping and hurting anyone.

Also, it's Texas. Everyone carries a gun.

Skyve · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 7328 **Location:** Canada

Pew pew.

Shomari · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 2341 **Location:** Limbo

.curve wrote:

All of the "what if's" that you guys are presenting can be countered by the fact that if CHL holders are able to/and do carry a concealed weapon on them, they are likely/able to stop someone from snapping and hurting anyone.

Also, it's Texas. Everyone carries a gun.

+35

Disconn3cted · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 3293 **Location:** WV, USA

Someone who is planning to kill everyone at school is going to do it no matter what the laws are.

inky · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 4025 **Location:**

The main issue here is whether or not guns can easily be acquired by the people living within that area. Because as people have stated before, whether or not they outlaw carrying handguns to school, if people can just walk into a store and legally purchase one, then they are well capable of marching into the campus with a loaded firearm and start shooting people down, if that is what they want.

Aaron777 · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 244 **Location:** Texas

I live in Austin, and I'm going to college next year. I did hear a lot about this when visiting various colleges pushing to allow concealed guns, and I for one support it. My brother goes to UTSA and someone was shot and killed about 10meters from his apartment in the middle of the night. It's definitely better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.

dom · **Posted:** Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:12 am

As someone mentioned, if someone is going to kill someone else it doesn't matter if they're allowed to carry a gun or not.

I just don't understand why someone would need or want to carry around a handgun. Violence isn't an American phenomenon, it occurs everywhere. We just deal with it differently and we are arguably more effective.

I guess guns are a cultural thing in America. It's too bad they can't content themselves with striped shirts and cigarettes, tea and football, etc.

Concealed weapons being allowed on a campus isn't a problem, it's an indication that there is a problem.

strangelove · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 1255 **Location:** no

EvGa wrote:

Discuss/Debate. I'll probably fire back. Keep it civil please.

I don't really buy into the school shooter boogeyman theory the lawmakers are pushing, but I also don't buy into the notion that no guns means everyone will be holding hands in harmony. For the most part, it seems to me both parties want to instill some false sense of security; if someone is going to kill a person, they'll do it regardless of the law, but at the same time, I'm doubtful the school shooter boogeyman is going to confront anyone and will probably fire at people Arizona representative-style as gun-carrying citizens around her watched in horror with their hands in their pockets. So I guess what I'm trying to say is I have no idea what I'm talking about. I've never actually held a position for gun issues, but I generally don't care either way.

inky · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 4025 **Location:**

The outcome will be interesting. For the most part, I think (hope) that most students wouldn't even bother to carry a concealed weapon around. If a lot of people start carrying one "for protection" means that there's a distrust among the people in that place. It's probably because I'm from NY but if I'm in a classroom where 1/2 of the students are carrying handguns in their backpacks, I would be very uncomfortable. I'm interested in seeing how many people are going to carry guns with them to the campus.

EvGa · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 2612 **Location:** Texas

strangelove wrote:

EvGa wrote:

Discuss/Debate. I'll probably fire back. Keep it civil please.

I don't really buy into the school shooter boogeyman theory the lawmakers are pushing, but I also don't buy into the notion that no guns means everyone will be holding hands in harmony. For the most part, it seems to me both parties want to instill some false sense of security; if someone is going to kill a person, they'll do it regardless of the law, but at the same time, I'm doubtful the school shooter boogeyman is going to confront anyone and will probably fire at people Arizona representative-style as gun-carrying citizens around her watched in horror with their hands in their pockets. So I guess what I'm trying to say is I have no idea what I'm talking about. I've never actually held a position for gun issues, but I generally don't care either way.

It's not so much that I'm scared of a 'school shooter boogeyman' as much as I am a "shooter/assaulter boogeyman" in general, anywhere. I shoot and handle weapons often. I feel extremely comfortable handling and being around them. If I go through the trouble of obtaining a concealed carry license I want to be able to use it anywhere to protect myself and others. It doesn't make sense to allow a person to obtain a CHL and then prohibit where said person can defend him/her-self.

400k+ people have their CHL in America. Allowing them to carry from McDonalds to a college campus isn't going to change a thing.

dom wrote:

Concealed weapons being allowed on a campus isn't a problem, it's an indication that there is a problem.

Completely different demographics, history, culture. You can't really say their is a problem. It's apples and oranges really.

Fiction · **Posted:** Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:01 am

dom wrote:

As someone mentioned, if someone is going to kill someone else it doesn't matter if they're allowed to carry a gun or not.

I just don't understand why someone would need or want to carry around a handgun. Violence isn't an American phenomenon, it occurs everywhere. We just deal with it differently and we are arguably more effective.

I guess guns are a cultural thing in America. It's too bad they can't content themselves with striped shirts and cigarettes, tea and football, etc.

Concealed weapons being allowed on a campus isn't a problem, it's an indication that there is a problem.

Every time Dom post now all I can think of is:

I don't know why.

Anyways... I'm sure VTech would have benefited from a law like this one. Even if school shootings are rare, they still happen, and if that is your child dead, I'm sure you don't give a shit about how often they happen. Like one of the comments above said, better to have one when you don't need it than to not have it when you do.

N-B4-McLovin-QQs

BuDo · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 4714 **Location:**

All it takes is one person to be mistreated or perceive mistreatment and loses it. This is the most insane idea there is. I love how the people who favors this thinks that their safe when it doesn't take much for a disturbed individual to at least "kill his first victim"....

What if that first victim is you or your friend?....It's so easy to shoot someone...ridiculously easy...how does arming yourself guard against the initial attack when you don't see it coming?....What if you're in the washroom taking a piss and the guy that just walks in put his hand gun to the back of your head and pull the trigger and then turn his gun on himself after? how on earth does everyone having a gun stops something like that? Will everyone be walking around with gun's cocked and in hand watching everyone else?... :palm:

And don't tell me that a crazy person would think twice about starting to shoot anyone when they know everyone has a gun because that's a retarded notion as well..why? because the person is crazy...they've probably already made up their minds to die that day and take a few people with them.....Why not apply gun prevention at the school rather than arming everyone?....I guess they don't need security anymore if they go through with this...The police is no longer required in this community

EvGa · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 2612 **Location:** Texas

What is the difference between me standing in a busy shopping center with my concealed handgun (legal with a CHL) and sitting in a crowded classroom?

400k people have a CHL and carry in crowded public places all the time, every day. The only difference is now these people (who legally obtained and carry their weapon) can take them to class same as they do everywhere else they go.

Fiction · **Posted:** Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:06 am

BuDo, I'm going to give you a quick reply to that. You are stupid.

If you need any more proof of what I'm saying, go read over your post history.

Just because someone has a gun does not mean they are going to kill somebody. We let Cops run around with guns and most of them have more issues with losing it than average citizens. :palm:

TOloseGT · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 7129 **Location:**

Well, I think we should give this a shot.

BuDo · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 4714 **Location:**

dom wrote:

Concealed weapons being allowed on a campus isn't a problem, it's an indication that there is a problem.

+100

They really do have a problem if they're resorting to this. Would be foolish to think otherwise. Messed up mentality.

EvGa · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 2612 **Location:** Texas

BuDo wrote:

They really do have a problem if they're resorting to this. Would be foolish to think otherwise. Messed up mentality.

There is no resorting to anything. It is the expansion of a system that is already in place, CHL people are everywhere.

I think I've repeated myself 3 times now.

Fiction · **Posted:** Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:36 am

EvGa wrote:

BuDo wrote:

They really do have a problem if they're resorting to this. Would be foolish to think otherwise. Messed up mentality.

There is no resorting to anything. It is the expansion of a system that is already in place, CHL people are everywhere.

I think I've repeated myself 3 times now.

You can say it about a 1000x more and it will still have the same effect. BuDo is in his own fantasy world. The rules and logic of the real world do not apply there.

Also in his world, nobody dies because free health care somehow prevents death.

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