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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:50 pm 
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Should an animal that kills a human really be put down?
I believe that it should, I mean its in their nature to kill those who it sees as a threath. Just because us humans have become a bit soft and want "rights" for everyone it doesn't mean we have to kill every animal that kills a human...
Its in their nature, euthanising is unnatural.

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 Post subject: Re: Killer animal
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 Post subject: Re: Killer animal
PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:59 am 
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That's not a black & white area. There's several things you have to look at before you decide whether or not it would be more beneficial to execute the animal. I'm not sure if you're trying to say that it's somehow a form of justice to do so - if you are, I would advice you to broaden your view.

You have to remember that they do not have the same capacity as humans. Furthermore, domestic animals which have been abused/mistreated by their owners or trained to be vicious are usually the ones that get their faces on the news. So, do we simply put them down? A bit irresponsible, don't you think?

When it comes to wild animals, it's quite pointless to kill them if there are other means of subduing the creature (tranquilize them). If you say that they're dangerous and that killing one of many would solve the problem, you are terribly misled.

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 Post subject: Re: Killer animal
PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:05 am 
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Like inky said, depends on the circumstances. If you are referring to the bear that attacked that couple and killed the husband a few days ago, let it live. They startled a mother bear with cubs and it has every right (instinctual) to protect its cubs. It did, dumb hiker was killed. Needed bells on shoes or some other method of making noise. We hit cans togetehr and held conversation while I was canoeing/hiking in Minnesota.

Bear wanders into town and kills someone, kill it.

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 Post subject: Re: Killer animal
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If it is a domestic, animal like a dog, and has attacked a child then yes. But the owners should hold some of the responsibility as well. Like a prison sentence or a fine. As 9 times out of 10, it is the owners fault, because of mistreating the animal in the first place.

If it is a wild animal, in a zoo, circus, then no. Even though they are in captivity. They are still wild animals, and should always be treated as such.

Animals in the wild, attacking/killing someone (adult or child) then no. Because of obvious reasons... It is the same if a wild animal kills, a domestic/farm animal, for food. They still should not be killed because it is in their instincts to kill for food.


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 Post subject: Re: Killer animal
PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:16 pm 
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It's funny how we can pretend to give a fuck about these kind of issues, while we just eat away at our burgers every day without thinking about it.

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 Post subject: Re: Killer animal
PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:32 pm 
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It's funny how we can pretend to give a fuck about these kind of issues, while we just eat away at our burgers every day without thinking about it.

Funny, I just helped my girlfriend write an essay about Allen Ginsberg's "A Supermarket in California"

Anyway...

You seem to look at it from an all-or-none perspective -- which most of the time is an inaccurate way to see things. I do acknowledge that it came from abuse and slaughter but at the same time, the convenience (and economy) drives us to buy such products. Not to mention people's addiction to the taste of meat. It's a tasty source of protein; what can I say? Besides, I was raised in a society that says it's okay to eat beef. The fact that I act indifferent about the cruelty of the beef/poultry industry doesn't mean I should feel the same way about everything else. Like I said, it's never a black & white issue. One of my philosophy major/vegan friends told me that even though I feel bad about it, I'm just too much of a "sucker for the taste." I agree.

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 Post subject: Re: Killer animal
PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:07 pm 
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Squirt wrote:
Should an animal that kills a human really be put down?
I believe that it should, I mean its in their nature to kill those who it sees as a threath. Just because us humans have become a bit soft and want "rights" for everyone it doesn't mean we have to kill every animal that kills a human...
Its in their nature, euthanising is unnatural.


You believe they should be put down after they kill a human. Then you say it's unnatural?!

Like others said, it depends on the threat he/she poses for other humans.

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 Post subject: Re: Killer animal
PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:06 pm 
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animals are put down for biological reasons too sometimes,

they sometimes have to put it down because it tasted human flesh and will start developing a craving for it. I remember hearing a story about a grad student went into the woods in Canada and got killed by a pack of wolves, the biologists decided to put down the entire pack because they tasted human flesh and might start attacking local hikers.

That's for wild animals though, I think for caged animals like Anacondas can still be kept in a cage as long as they don't let them breed.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:19 pm 
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No I said they shouldn't be put down even if they did kill a human o.O

And I love meat :D

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 Post subject: Re: Killer animal
PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:26 am 
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If random dog/cat/hamster etc jumps out from their yard and kills a human being, yes and the owners of the said animal should be held responsible, as someone said above. 99% of the times it's the owners fault why they attacked another human in the first place.

If person walk in random forest and big bad bear kills said human, the bear should not be putted down, the bear felt threatened and by their instinct they have to eliminate what ever is threating them. The lousy human should have thinked twice before stepping into the territory.


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 Post subject: Re: Killer animal
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woutR wrote:
It's funny how we can pretend to give a fuck about these kind of issues, while we just eat away at our burgers every day without thinking about it.

Err. Yeah I am a vegan, I don't eat or associate myself with any animal products. I don't wear leather, wool, silk etc. And I don't use any products that are tested on animals.


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We are all inside the food chain system....

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 Post subject: Re: Killer animal
PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:29 am 
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We are all inside the food chain system....


But I don't want to be eaten by sharks :( .

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 Post subject: Re: Killer animal
PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:44 am 
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Isis wrote:
woutR wrote:
It's funny how we can pretend to give a fuck about these kind of issues, while we just eat away at our burgers every day without thinking about it.

Err. Yeah I am a vegan, I don't eat or associate myself with any animal products. I don't wear leather, wool, silk etc. And I don't use any products that are tested on animals.


You go girl!

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 Post subject: Re: Killer animal
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Isis wrote:
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It's funny how we can pretend to give a fuck about these kind of issues, while we just eat away at our burgers every day without thinking about it.

Err. Yeah I am a vegan, I don't eat or associate myself with any animal products. I don't wear leather, wool, silk etc. And I don't use any products that are tested on animals.


Seriously? No meat?

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 Post subject: Re: Killer animal
PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:50 am 
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It's funny how we can pretend to give a fuck about these kind of issues, while we just eat away at our burgers every day without thinking about it.

Err. Yeah I am a vegan, I don't eat or associate myself with any animal products. I don't wear leather, wool, silk etc. And I don't use any products that are tested on animals.

So you are supporting the animals or just don't wanna eat greasy? Might not be a major help to the cause, but just only at 0.001%. Oh America...

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 Post subject: Re: Killer animal
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vege = consume more plants = less plants for photosynthesis = less oxygen = end of the world GG

lols jk. I am not vege but I dont support animal material made luxury goods.

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 Post subject: Re: Killer animal
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Yea, me too. I don't want MORE endangered species to appear just for someone to get a fur coat.

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 Post subject: Re: Killer animal
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Isis wrote:
woutR wrote:
It's funny how we can pretend to give a fuck about these kind of issues, while we just eat away at our burgers every day without thinking about it.

Err. Yeah I am a vegan, I don't eat or associate myself with any animal products. I don't wear leather, wool, silk etc. And I don't use any products that are tested on animals.


Seriously? No meat?


No meat, eggs, milk and honey. Basically nothing that comes from an animal.

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It's funny how we can pretend to give a fuck about these kind of issues, while we just eat away at our burgers every day without thinking about it.

Err. Yeah I am a vegan, I don't eat or associate myself with any animal products. I don't wear leather, wool, silk etc. And I don't use any products that are tested on animals.

So you are supporting the animals or just don't wanna eat greasy? Might not be a major help to the cause, but just only at 0.001%. Oh America...

What do you think?
Even though I am a mere one out of a billion, but I am trying to do my bit.
I know loads of fellow vegans. And vegetarians ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Killer animal
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Seriously, wild animals, are treated like criminals.
Why is a wild animal to blame for attacking a person "an intruder" in it's own habitat?
Because.... we seem to think we have a right to be safe anywhere we go. eh?

Well, their territory shrinks and human populations increase.
So tell me: who is to blame for what goes wrong?

It's really a sad thing when an animal has to be put down due to some Farking stupid human.

Btw: Dog attacks? Good dog training is not rocket science. It's common sense.
Seriously.. and kids must be taught to respect their pets at all times.

"Just remember a dog can't say leave me alone"

Humans are the most deadly animals on the planet. Isn't that so? lulz
Well.. people kill people and billions animals everyday. Just think about that!

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Seriously, wild animals, are treated like criminals.
Why is a wild animal to blame for attacking a person "an intruder" in it's own habitat?
Because.... we seem to think we have a right to be safe anywhere we go. eh?

Well, their territory shrinks and human populations increase.
So tell me: who is to blame for what goes wrong?

It's really a sad thing when an animal has to be put down due to some Farking stupid human.

Btw: Dog attacks? Good dog training is not rocket science. It's common sense.
Seriously.. and kids must be taught to respect their pets at all times.

"Just remember a dog can't say leave me alone"

Humans are the most deadly animals on the planet. Isn't that so? lulz
Well.. people kill people and billions animals everyday. Just think about that!


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Your love for egypt tattooed to your back may be a shrine to animal cruelty! :shock: :sohappy:

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I agree on that. Humans are far more dangerous than animals.

And, luckily I dont have any tatoo...

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Yep...no luxury animal products for me as well. Wearing fur is no longer a necessity but simply a desire. I don't think any animal should be born just to be skinned for some rich bitch to wear its skin.

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it doesn't mean we have to kill every animal that kills a human...


Wait, what? What if that animal kills your relative? I'm sure you wont think that way then. :banghead: :banghead:


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it doesn't mean we have to kill every animal that kills a human...


Wait, what? What if that animal kills your relative? I'm sure you wont think that way then. :banghead: :banghead:



I doubt most people would but that doesn't mean it's reasonable. It simply means their judgment is clouded by anger and grief.

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Sociological conditioning.....It tells us the life of a bug is insignificant to the life of a cat or dog and that the life of a cat or dog is less important than the life of a human....It tells us it is OK to condone the slathering of cows for beef but to feel bad about the slaughtering of dolphins or sharks (Depending on which society you are apart of).

It's kinda interesting how the mind can be made to rationalize anything and make it OK or make it not OK while being hypocritical in the process. Yet we have the ability to identify this shortcoming and disregard it in most cases.. Seems we are just naturally complex.

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