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anonymous is a serious as waffles.

Your links doesn't work ! lulz

yeah it got shut down ahahah

So, why did anonymous attack.. quebec's government?

That's odd, I've heard no real news from them anywhere. They must just be Farking with the internet like most people seem to be doing nowadays. It's sickening. If anonymous has good reason(s), then good luck to them.

Most likely because the government was trying to increase student tuition costs and a lot of universities and colleges have gone on strike because of it.

I for one thing it's complete bullshit. Our uni costs in the states are well over $10K and in my case $25K a year. They can go to school there for $4000 a year and less...my Farking old high school cost more than that.

university cost of one term of schooling in the uk is just under £10,000.... if you include living in the university or very near to the university in a flat or something as well as cost of living?
around £20,000 - £25,000 a year....

the thing that annoys me is that companies employ people with university degrees yet the real smart people are the ones who dont go to university and dont have to pay the money back for 1/2 their lives of earning before even making a penny profit...

£10,000 a year... most university terms here are 3 or 4 year courses with a gap year for unpayed work experience in between...
thats £30-£40K just on the education, that doesnt even include living there or living costs...

if you want to go on to do a masters degree thats another 3 years on average making it £60k for the education alone...
for people looking at making money, university doesnt seem like a great idea in my opinion

A masters doesn't always take another 3 years, it depends on the degree.

I'm pretty sure uni is free in Finland.

The taxes are 15% though so you'd think it would be more affordable.

i was talking on average, if you want to be a lawyer... doctor.... or a architect thats like 5 years 0.0

If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.
You are also wrong about pretty much everything you said in your post. University is one of the best investments you can make in your life. If you want to make money then going to university is a great idea. Even dropouts like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs accredit a large part of their success to their education.

those are single people that get lucky with fame and wealth, university is a great investment but if you work straight away instead of going to university and build your way up (like Alan Sugar with no qualifications) you would at least be earning right away.

you would only be earning more then someone who worked straight away when you were about 45-50, you have to pay back all the money you loan from university studies even though on average you earn more...

also you arent guarenteed a job after university anymore, people are finding that jobs in the uk are tough to get because you are over qualified for supermarket work yet there is nowhere free in the subject you study.
you have to make a gamble that the economy and job opportunities will get better rather then just trying to work right away

People just swarm the 'money' studies. In the Netherlands 30% of the people want to study medicine because doctors here get payed ridiculous amounts for doing absolutely nothing, on a schedule. The universities had to put a yearly cap for all the applications...
Meanwhile the study I'm going to be doing gets about 40-50 new students every year, while being one of the best all round courses I've ever seen. It's flexible, future-proof and most importantly there's over 200 'job offers' for 40 students to pick from for their practical projects. From what I've heard graduates pretty much instantly get hired by the companies they made their final project for.

People are just making bad choices. Lack of applicants in some sectors and the abundance in others will cause the pay ratio's switch around...

So what are you studying poehalco?
(btw, if you think people who study medicine in the Netherlands do nothing and then get a job where they do nothing you need a serious reality check. 30% of the people want to do medicine? Care to share those statistics?)

@penfold: there is very limited work that you can do without any education. Check your countries' minimum wage and now imagine that 90% of unschooled work pays that -- forever. Do you see how fast you can earn back your education now? If you have a degree you will easily make double minimum wage within 2-3 years after graduating. You may be in debt a long time, but your effective income will also be much higher. Studying pays off, not studying only pays off if you're an entrepreneur of some sorts.

Free education ftw.

30% was an exaggeration to get my point across. Still, There's enough of them to require a entrants cap.

From personal experience, I've come to conclude that you want to evade going to doctors in the Netherlands. They charge ridiculous prices for basic tasks that hardly require any effort on their side. The worst of all is that they require you to book a appointment 3 weeks ahead of time.
In other countries you can pretty much just walk in, wait in line and see the doctor. Not only will the service be better, it'll also cost only a 5th of the price.
Maybe this doesn't go for all doctors. And of course it isn't true for surgeons and other hospital staff, but most of the normal doctors really earn way too much for the things they do.

Anyway, I'll be studying Embedded system engineering. It's good course, about 50/50 constructing and programming. Considering every piece of technology nowadays has embedded systems in it, it's really not a bad choice. Embedded systems will only become more prevalent in the future. In the end I'll be good with my hands, be able to program well and have a good skillset for plenty of jobs in the technical sector.

Dutch almost seem to fear the word 'technical', I could never really understand why :/.

So because you had some unfortunate experiences with our medical system you devalue the entire branch and say they all don't do shit and earn too much?
Which "other countries" are you talking about when you're talking about prices and waiting times? Dutch health care is among the best of the world and it's relatively cheap too. As a matter of fact, it's free for those who can't afford it. The way you're describing all this it sounds like you're living in a different country.

Why is it bad that a lot of people want to study medicine btw? The capping of students ensures that only the best students get into the study and become a doctor and eventually operate on you. Is this bad? In a way all these students are doing exactly what you are: they are choosing a study that has good opportunities for the future.
I think you're generalizing a lot of people and studies just because you had some bad experiences with doctors. Stop throwing out random statements and facts and try to think rationally instead of letting your feelings for a few doctors determine your opinion on all of them.

does it really work out? bad credit rating is not exactly the best thing to have in the economic situation, being in debt for 10 years isnt a good idea either... especially with banks about to go again.

minimum wage here is £5 ish and university graduates that actually get a job in the field they want is probably starting off at around £8 or £9 an hour.
keep in mind you have around 5 years of that minimum wage behind you plus the raises you may get (my brother works at tesco and he has had 3 wages in a year, is up to almost £7 an hour)

the benefit will only be noticable in terms of net gain by the time you are older, if i came out of uni i certainly wouldnt sit on my 25k debt thats for sure... not if i wanted a house anyway

I did not say much about the health care system itself. Only about the people that work there. Indeed in NL you can go to a doctor and most expenses will be covered by your insurance, which is great.

What I'm specifically saying is that the 'work - pay' balance seems broken.
Perhaps a little extreme but compare it to this:

The man does his work for cheap pay. Sure it doesn't look really hygienic but what do you expect for that price. People are still quite willing to do it, and they are happy with the results. Honestly he doesn't seem to be doing anything particularly wrong even if the treatment is a little rough. And if the customers don't like the results then they don't even need to pay. Compare that to the Netherlands where you pay 30-50 for a basic check-up alone.

Imo this guy does relatively more work for the money he receives.

And why is it bad that a lot of people want to study medicine?
The sector becomes one-sided. Even the ones who didn't get chosen will often attempt another course which allows them to slip in later.
Sure it's great if the country has a lot of good doctors, but if there's no one there to make their expensive tools for them then they won't be able to do much either.
It's important for a country to have a good distribution of jobs. Lack of trained personnel in one sector can mean a lot of trouble for the other sectors as well.

^ Ah.. okay thanks!

That's right, anonymous attacked a couple government sites to help the student population fight against the bill 78. Bill 78 pretty much restrains the right to protest in public places, it gives the ability to police to end the protest and arrest everyone. But the worst part, is whoever organized the protest can be fined up to 125000$, yes 125000$. And regular participants can be fined up to 5000$.

As for the whole tuition fee raise, i'm not against a reasonable raise, but the government has to make efforts on how our money is managed. If anyone ever heard about the "ilôt voyageur", it's a public university campus that cost 500 millions to build and that is not complete, and there has been absolutely no work on it in the past 4 years. This is just an example to show why we are tired of receiving more and more raises, while our government spews out money like nubcake and gives our precious resources for almost free to foreign companies.

200000+ people in the streets yesterday, 29 consecutive evening marches (which the government hates) and 100 days of strike. And it ain't over.

I have personally been to many protests and will continue going until the fight is won. Student strike FTW, Anonymous FTW, Québec FTW and Parti libéral du Québec FTL.

PS: if anyone has any questions about the conflict, feel free to ask me.

I know how yah feel. Costs close to 26k a year in tuition alone, and they're talking about increasing it.../rage

And that's exactly why we are protesting atm. 26k tuition fees just increase the gap between poor and rich. Plus, who dafuq wants 100k debt at the end of their studies.

Again there is usually a good reason for a tuition increase. I mean anything $10+ a year is pushing it, but anything less is pretty reasonable. My high school cost $8K a year, and that was reasonable for the price it took to educate me and everything.

you guys realise that we have a shit load more tax than you, this should be used somewhere.

It IS being used somewhere.

510 000 000$ for that building, and it's not even completed (the bottom part is privately owned and is a bus terminal). Now, they've hired people to cover it up with a 60000$ sheet. Oh and the guy who was at the head of the project, and quit when he saw it was going to fail, got a 173000$ bonus when he quit. Ridiculous? We think so.

I agree. It's totally farked up.. When they waste millions of "your dollars" on buildings they don't even bother to finish it.