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Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

ahmedsabry wrote:

Da_Realest wrote:

ahmedsabry wrote:

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Point is you're wrong. Have you even played a Warlock before? Besides, 4 seconds is hardly enough time to determine who will grind the fastest.

Also, player 1 isn't instantly casting DoT on all 4 mobs. Its going to take about 1 second to select the next mob and attacking assuming he doesn't have to run alot and has no lag. However, because of this grind method, he will have to run alot. Yea the first mob may die from 1-4 seconds but the amount of time it takes for him to reach the next mob/cast DoT means at the very least it will take 7-8 seconds to kill 4 mobs based on what you said.

To put it simple, in 4 seconds player 1 will have only killed one mob.

EDIT: It took the guy in your video 8-10 seconds to kill a normal general with just DoT. It takes 7-9 seconds for him to kill a shaman. I don't see where you got 4 seconds from.

It seems you only talk with theories.

ahmedsabry wrote:

P.S: if u still dont get the point, PLEASE just go grind the way that makes you feel happy. ty

Get what? Your logic was flawed.

ahmedsabry · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 615 **Location:**

so i have to answer then...
just look at d*mn video.. does he look like he takes 8 seconds to kill a mob?! GOD..
u will not take a second to cast a DOT because a DOT has no cating time, so if u actually target mobs with due speed no time will be required. also u can use AOE dots to take even less time while cursing multiple targets in the same time.
as for the time ur talkng about to reach a mob. this will never be true with a bard sub due to the crazy speed from robes+moving march, and will never be true in an area with a good to heavy spawn.
finally, as for the time taken to kill the mobs.. that doesnt mean a thing, simply because u'll be using that time to kill something else. ur not standing there w8ing for the thing to die.
PLZ understand the concept of "Kiting" first then say what u want

justaskphil · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 734 **Location:**

I like the wl class b/c it's one of the most unique builds. Only got a nub, but like nuking something and then throwing a dot on like a shock lion shout at the end, hehe.

After a mob goes down from dot attack, ever notice the zerk bubble thingy comes flying over to you almost from out of nowhere? Dark power at its finest, lol!

But vid was cool and unique, but I'd steer clear of that pty general...he almost got owned.

Nitro · **Joined:** Sep 2007 **Posts:** 4769 **Location:**

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Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

ahmedsabry wrote:

so i have to answer then...
just look at d*mn video.. does he look like he takes 8 seconds to kill a mob?!

Your situation is to ideal. The video shows that it takes ~11 seconds for one DoT to kill the mob. 1/2 a second to cast a DoT and 1 second to move to another mob. It took ~4 seconds to move to another area. I could do the math, but it would be a waste of time: da_realist is correct.

penfold1992 · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 4060 **Location:**

Barotix wrote:

ahmedsabry wrote:

so i have to answer then...
just look at d*mn video.. does he look like he takes 8 seconds to kill a mob?!

Your situation is to ideal. The video shows that it takes ~11 seconds for one DoT to kill the mob. 1/2 a second to cast a DoT and 1 second to move to another mob. It took ~4 seconds to move to another area. I could do the math, but it would be a waste of time: da_realist is correct.

DISAGREE

i think the first video of this topic is the most unique and efficient way of grinding. not saying nukes arent but they are BORING! if i wanna nuke ill go on my nuker and do it better. with a lock doing DoT its unique and that is what silkroad doesnt have in terms of its point click skill grinding

Da_Realest · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2435 **Location:**

penfold1992 wrote:

Barotix wrote:

ahmedsabry wrote:

so i have to answer then...
just look at d*mn video.. does he look like he takes 8 seconds to kill a mob?!

Your situation is to ideal. The video shows that it takes ~11 seconds for one DoT to kill the mob. 1/2 a second to cast a DoT and 1 second to move to another mob. It took ~4 seconds to move to another area. I could do the math, but it would be a waste of time: da_realist is correct.

DISAGREE

i think the first video of this topic is the most unique and efficient way of grinding. not saying nukes arent but they are BORING! if i wanna nuke ill go on my nuker and do it better. with a lock doing DoT its unique and that is what silkroad doesnt have in terms of its point click skill grinding

You can't argue with facts. Also, nuke better than a Warlock? Yea, any int build can do more damage in a single attack than a Warlock but grinding is all about DPS and I doubt any int build can out DPS a Warlock who knows what they're doing.

penfold1992 · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 4060 **Location:**

nope id still rather cast DoT's then just nuke mobs like a wizzie or a nuker. thats just boring after a while. DoT makes you feel more involved in the game. i dont care whether it wears out Dur or whatever either

ahmedsabry · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 615 **Location:**

Barotix wrote:

ahmedsabry wrote:

so i have to answer then...
just look at d*mn video.. does he look like he takes 8 seconds to kill a mob?!

Your situation is to ideal. The video shows that it takes ~11 seconds for one DoT to kill the mob. 1/2 a second to cast a DoT and 1 second to move to another mob. It took ~4 seconds to move to another area. I could do the math, but it would be a waste of time: da_realist is correct.

for some reason u didnt mention the rest of my post..
even IF it did take ~11 seconds to take a mob, does this mean anything to u as a warlock? no. why? thats the rest of my post!

ahmedsabry wrote:

finally, as for the time taken to kill the mobs.. that doesnt mean a thing, simply because u'll be using that time to kill something else. ur not standing there w8ing for the thing to die.
PLZ understand the concept of "Kiting" first then say what u want

and apparently u still dont understand the concept of kiting.. i explained that in some other post. ill look it up and post it here as well..
one last thing.. u are forgetting the fact that pure DOT grinding gives u faster zerk refilling. as u saw in the video the guy refills his zerk completely within 20-30 seconds relying ONLY on DOTs. having that in mind, u'll be spending 30-50% of your grinding time in zerk mode, making ur DOTs kill a mob in 4 seconds max.
sure this eats up ur durability, but with 160% dura on a 9D weapon, u can EASILY last for more than 3 hours grinding, especially after the generalised warlock rod durabilty increase joymax added.

ahmedsabry · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 615 **Location:**

there u go..

ahmedsabry wrote:

now since u've been inspired by the "kiting" technique the guy in the video was using, u need to understand what that is..
"Kiting is a term encountered in MMORPGs such as SRO or World of Warcraft referring to a popular method of killing mobs (monsters) by staying at a distance, using ranged attacks, and running whenever the enemy comes near.
The advantage of the strategy is that a safe distance is kept between the player and the target while the player keeps bombarding the target with ranged attacks (such as spells, arrows, or other projectiles). This ideally results in a dead monster without the player taking a hit. The obvious disadvantages of this tactic are the annoyances of constant running around, its slowness, and the possibility of "adds" (other monsters in the area assisting the primary target). The tactic relies on being able to generate more damage per second than the mob's hit point regeneration without running out of mana or projectiles."
as a warlock you can ideally do this tactic by asting a DOT (or multiple dots) and running away while using more DOTs on other opponents. this method is VERY effective and grants far more exp than other ways of grinding.. some other MMORPGs (EverQest) even decided to decrease DOT damage if the enemy is running after the player down to 66% of its initial power. luckily this didnt happen in sro, and u can effectively do this grinding method with ease especially if u have a bard sub, or at least a wizard sub for teleport.

Patronus · **Joined:** Nov 2008 **Posts:** 56 **Location:**

why going solo? warlocks work much better in shares lols, anyway not bad vid, but i never grind that way, maybe coz there was people ksing me or just respawn rate sux, anyway 1 dot to mob... in zerk is ok but non zerk? i dont see any sence on keep the mob atacking u even if it does low dmg on u, ur meth its ok for me but not the best

Astra · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 535 **Location:**

1 dot on a mob (chaser) yea.
Pure int, warlock farmed, +7 rod and pimped gear with int.
5-6 chasers = full zerk
One dot hits up to 2.500k on a chaser + bleed status which raises the dmg by 20%.

People who partied with me know what exactly I'm capable of.

Patronus · **Joined:** Nov 2008 **Posts:** 56 **Location:**

wow looks like there are many servers that havent bots around to ks lmao, ofc in sparta there isnt any spot at mobs 85-87 wheere u can grind that way, there use to be 2 shares at same spot in weekends, ok u do it on ur server? lucky, if u try it on sparta u will fail with that (didnt check mages spot btw but they wont give me any exp lol)
btw why do i will dot a mob if i kill him in 1 hit? i hit over 17.5k on lvl 85 mobs with nuke and about 17k on 87 dont need to do more since my wolf do the rest, ofc if i have all mobs for me (it will never happen) i will use DoTs on some of them, just when recast time dont let me nuke them, i dont need zerk at all i kill giants debuffed pretty fast, anyway rly gratz on ur server, i wish i can have all mobs for me when i move to any spot lols

ahmedsabry · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 615 **Location:**

Patronus wrote:

wow looks like there are many servers that havent bots around to ks lmao, ofc in sparta there isnt any spot at mobs 85-87 wheere u can grind that way, there use to be 2 shares at same spot in weekends, ok u do it on ur server? lucky, if u try it on sparta u will fail with that (didnt check mages spot btw but they wont give me any exp lol)
btw why do i will dot a mob if i kill him in 1 hit? i hit over 17.5k on lvl 85 mobs with nuke and about 17k on 87 dont need to do more since my wolf do the rest, ofc if i have all mobs for me (it will never happen) i will use DoTs on some of them, just when recast time dont let me nuke them, i dont need zerk at all i kill giants debuffed pretty fast, anyway rly gratz on ur server, i wish i can have all mobs for me when i move to any spot lols

well i'm in sparta too, and it isnt so bad. just get into one of these share parties and they'll turn out to be a bonus..

Miguez · **Joined:** Nov 2008 **Posts:** 5003 **Location:**

Ok..

Shiver · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 334 **Location:** Ephesus

This video has inspired me to play again.

I think with time though, the lack of being able to login and plus being a weak little character will kill that desire. We'll see.

I also have no in-game connections with people, roffle, and Euro is not a single-player thing. hmm
What server? Ah the frustrations of gaming.

salmissra · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 1487 **Location:**

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this video made me :shock:

damn fast lol. need quick fingers though. and you'll probably need good gear (or grind at white mobs/magic mobs)

Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

If we're going purely off of the speed at which zerk bar refills then Da_realist method of AoE grinding is still more efficient. The concept of kiting is great in games like WoW, but in SRO it fails in comparison to some good old fashioned AoE grinding. In the time it takes him to get zerk (20-30 seconds) Da_Realist filled his at least 4 times. The rest of your post was irrelevant because you're relying entirely on the video to argue your point; you're talking in theory yet your video of awesomeness contradicts your assertion that kiting is a superior form of AoE grinding.

Kiting in SRO is < AoEing in SRO.

ahmedsabry · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 615 **Location:**

Barotix wrote:

If we're going purely off of the speed at which zerk bar refills then Da_realist method of AoE grinding is still more efficient. The concept of kiting is great in games like WoW, but in SRO it fails in comparison to some good old fashioned AoE grinding. In the time it takes him to get zerk (20-30 seconds) Da_Realist filled his at least 4 times. The rest of your post was irrelevant because you're relying entirely on the video to argue your point; you're talking in theory yet your video of awesomeness contradicts your assertion that kiting is a superior form of AoE grinding.

Kiting in SRO is < AoEing in SRO.

i guess thats ur personal oppinion.. i pointed out what i think, ur oppinion is yours, mine is mine.
i think that wasting any time to cast a nuke on a mob that is a "dead man walking" makes my grinding slower, while u think that using AOE nukes to support DOTs on regular mobs makes your grinding faster..
so unless any of us has a documented video of both methods done correctly with calculated time, with the same weapon/spawn/mobs/build, unless that is done, i cant prove you wrong, and it just stays my oppinion.

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