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Fat_Smurf · **Posted:** Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:53 pm

ok i was checking stuff and I came to this

pure str blader
80+20 base str

30 * 80 added str

3+2 (gdf premium)

60 gear str

405 total str

405 *47.8 (hp per str at lvl 80)

19359 str hp

+ 1200 alchemy

20559 total hp on a blader pure str perfect alchemy.

hybrid int 7/1

47.8 * 80+20 = 4780.

47.8 * 3 * 10 = 1434.

47.8 * 60 = 2868.

47.8 * 5 = 239

= 9321.

1200 + 8843.

total hp on a hybrid 7/1 bicheon = 10521

ok now lets say the hybrid got 80 ice mastery...

50% snow shield this mean to kill him you need to deal 21 000 damage.

to kill the pure str you need 20 500 damage.

the int got better tank ability here.

now im not sure about this one, but lets say pot heal the same amount on both char, the hybrid would pot twice as fast his ''virtual'' hp then the blader nha?

ex: a pot heal 3k hp

both are at half health

blader: 10k
hybrid: 5k (10k cause snow shield)

both take a pot +3k

blader: 13k
hybrid: 8k (16k)

NOTE: im not sure if they both pot the same amount cause guide tell that more hp you have more hp you get from pot. but guide isnt always right.

So int > blader on tanking and damage? :roll:

Fat_Smurf · **Posted:** Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:58 pm

Here is the list I got my value from

credit go to d2a

Code:

LVL STR Points 
10.0000 
10.2000 
10.4040 
10.6121 
10.8243 
11.0408 
11.2616 
11.4869 
11.7166 
11.9509 
12.1899 
12.4337 
12.6824 
12.9361 
13.1948 
13.4587 
13.7279 
14.0024 
14.2825 
14.5681 
14.8595 
15.1567 
15.4598 
15.7690 
16.0844 
16.4061 
16.7342 
17.0689 
17.4102 
17.7584 
18.1136 
18.4759 
18.8454 
19.2223 
19.6068 
19.9989 
20.3989 
20.8069 
21.2230 
21.6474 
22.0804 
22.5220 
22.9724 
23.4319 
23.9005 
24.3785 
24.8661 
25.3634 
25.8707 
26.3881 
26.9159 
27.4542 
28.0033 
28.5633 
29.1346 
29.7173 
30.3117 
30.9179 
31.5362 
32.1670 
32.8103 
33.4665 
34.1358 
34.8186 
35.5149 
36.2252 
36.9497 
37.6887 
38.4425 
39.2114 
39.9956 
40.7955 
41.6114 
42.4436 
43.2925 
44.1584 
45.0415 
45.9424 
46.8612 
47.7984 
48.7544 
49.7295 
50.7241 
51.7386 
52.7733 
53.8288 
54.9054 
56.0035 
57.1235 
58.2660 
59.4313 
60.6200 
61.8324 
63.0690 
64.3304 
65.6170 
66.9293 
68.2679 
69.6333 
71.0259 
72.4465 
73.8954 
75.3733 
76.8808 
78.4184 
79.9867 
81.5865 
83.2182 
84.8826 
86.5802 
88.3118 
90.0781 
91.8796 
93.7172 
95.5916 
97.5034 
99.4535 
101.4425 
103.4714 
105.5408 
107.6516 
109.8047 
112.0008 
114.2408 
116.5256 
118.8561 
121.2332 
123.6579 
126.1310 
128.6537 
131.2267 
133.8513 
136.5283 
139.2589 
142.0440 
144.8849 
147.7826 
150.7383 
153.7530 
156.8281 
159.9647 
163.1640 
166.4272 
169.7558 
173.1509 
176.6139 
180.1462 
183.7491 
187.4241 
191.1726

bakafish · **Posted:** Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:02 pm

My pure STR Warrior/ Warlock has 20175 + 150 hp from wings. Perfect blues, Premium and GDF.

Fat_Smurf · **Posted:** Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:05 pm

BakaFish wrote:

My pure STR Warrior/ Warlock has 20175 + 150 hp from wings. Perfect blues, Premium and GDF.

you use sword shield?

bakafish · **Posted:** Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:08 pm

Fat_Smurf wrote:

BakaFish wrote:

My pure STR Warrior/ Warlock has 20175 + 150 hp from wings. Perfect blues, Premium and GDF.

you use sword shield?

WTF? Warlock/Cleric i mean, 2h.

Fat_Smurf · **Posted:** Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:10 pm

BakaFish wrote:

Fat_Smurf wrote:

BakaFish wrote:

My pure STR Warrior/ Warlock has 20175 + 150 hp from wings. Perfect blues, Premium and GDF.

you use sword shield?

WTF? Warlock/Cleric i mean, 2h.

wut?

well warrior without shield are missing 5 str, so that's 239 hp

bakafish · **Posted:** Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:12 pm

Fat_Smurf wrote:

BakaFish wrote:

Fat_Smurf wrote:

BakaFish wrote:

My pure STR Warrior/ Warlock has 20175 + 150 hp from wings. Perfect blues, Premium and GDF.

you use sword shield?

WTF? Warlock/Cleric i mean, 2h.

wut?

well warrior without shield are missing 5 str, so that's 239 hp

Just messed on my sub there.

tomiotar · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 598 **Location:**

If you use http://bobtheveg.dyndns.org/SRO/Char_Build_Applet/ you could see that you make some mistakes. You have to consider that you get 79 levels and no 80 because you already are lvl1 with 20 str points. With a shield+premium+gold dragon flag you have 65 extra str points giving you a total of 401 str points and 20367 HP (with 1200 extra HP).

PS: you can get 1 extra str point on the wings.

Fat_Smurf · **Posted:** Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:19 pm

tomiotar wrote:

If you use http://bobtheveg.dyndns.org/SRO/Char_Build_Applet/ you could see that you make some mistakes. You have to consider that you get 79 levels and no 80 because you already are lvl1 with 20 str points. With a shield+premium+gold dragon flag you have 65 extra str points giving you a total of 401 str points and 20367 HP (with 1200 extra HP).

PS: you can get 1 extra str point on the wings.

yea ur right but in the end , hybrib still win in both aspect vs a blader

tomiotar · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 598 **Location:**

Fat_Smurf wrote:

tomiotar wrote:

If you use http://bobtheveg.dyndns.org/SRO/Char_Build_Applet/ you could see that you make some mistakes. You have to consider that you get 79 levels and no 80 because you already are lvl1 with 20 str points. With a shield+premium+gold dragon flag you have 65 extra str points giving you a total of 401 str points and 20367 HP (with 1200 extra HP).

PS: you can get 1 extra str point on the wings.

yea ur right but in the end , hybrib still win in both aspect vs a blader

Is true that during those 2 minutes and IF the blader dont use snow shield at 20 or 25% (he can use it at those % without problem), the int will have better tanking capabilities. The problem is that the snow shield last 2 minutes, so you have to have a second plan for the 1 minute cooldown ^^.

Fat_Smurf · **Posted:** Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:34 pm

tomiotar wrote:

Fat_Smurf wrote:

tomiotar wrote:

If you use http://bobtheveg.dyndns.org/SRO/Char_Build_Applet/ you could see that you make some mistakes. You have to consider that you get 79 levels and no 80 because you already are lvl1 with 20 str points. With a shield+premium+gold dragon flag you have 65 extra str points giving you a total of 401 str points and 20367 HP (with 1200 extra HP).

PS: you can get 1 extra str point on the wings.

yea ur right but in the end , hybrib still win in both aspect vs a blader

Is true that during those 2 minutes and IF the blader dont use snow shield at 20 or 25% (he can use it at those % without problem), the int will have better tanking capabilities. The problem is that the snow shield last 2 minutes, so you have to have a second plan for the 1 minute cooldown ^^.

well in job war normally it's not a problem

and even with 20% pure str usually get screwed, I saw ton of pure str getting banged and running out of mana

walnut206 · **Joined:** Oct 2007 **Posts:** 84

dunno, but I think this build is only good for if you don't care about PvP that much. A nuker/glaive could kill you in that one minute that you're vulnerable. This seems to be a good one for PvE and job type of things.

Fat_Smurf · **Posted:** Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:48 pm

walnut206 wrote:

dunno, but I think this build is only good for if you don't care about PvP that much. A nuker/glaive could kill you in that one minute that you're vulnerable. This seems to be a good one for PvE and job type of things.

huh? it's awesome in pvp you deal alot of damage and you can tank why it would suck at pvp?

the_wicked · **Posted:** Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:12 pm

Idk....i never have a problem with s/s unless they have good armor or snow on =.=

Krad_Red · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 334

7:1 with 50% mana = farked if the enemy is a decent player.

So no, str > int. Based on what I've seen from the 3 or 4 hybrid ints on Troy that use 50% mana shield.

Fat_Smurf · **Posted:** Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:31 pm

Krad_Red wrote:

7:1 with 50% mana = farked if the enemy is a decent player.

and how?

Krad_Red · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 334

Glaviers at 80 crit around 6 - 8k, on average. so thats 4k mana gone, + 5 - 6k mana you spend on imbue + skills. That's around 11 - 14k a hit. At the same time, the glavier is dealing more damage from a crit/non crit. If your char gets below 5k, you stop skilling, stop knockbacking, stop stunning. The glaiver now has time to continue bombarding you. Once you run out of mana, that damage is going to leak into your HP.

It's even worse with a blader, all they have to do is continuously chain you. Eventually you'll be taking really high damage.

[Mind you this is suppose they use +7 weapons with high critical values, which 80's tend to have nowadays.]

Fat_Smurf · **Posted:** Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:48 pm

Krad_Red wrote:

Glaviers at 80 crit around 6 - 8k, on average. so thats 4k mana gone, + 5 - 6k mana you spend on imbue + skills. That's around 11 - 14k a hit. At the same time, the glavier is dealing more damage from a crit/non crit. If your char gets below 5k, you stop skilling, stop knockbacking, stop stunning. The glaiver now has time to continue bombarding you. Once you run out of mana, that damage is going to leak into your HP.

It's even worse with a blader, all they have to do is continuously chain you. Eventually you'll be taking really high damage.

[Mind you this is suppose they use +7 weapons with high critical values, which 80's tend to have nowadays.]

lol i never ran out of mana using snow shield, hybrid can kd/ stun / dull/ kb too

Krad_Red · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 334

Hm, you're hybrid with a sword? O_o

knubbka · **Posted:** Sat Nov 10, 2007 1:19 am

tomiotar wrote:

Fat_Smurf wrote:

tomiotar wrote:

If you use http://bobtheveg.dyndns.org/SRO/Char_Build_Applet/ you could see that you make some mistakes. You have to consider that you get 79 levels and no 80 because you already are lvl1 with 20 str points. With a shield+premium+gold dragon flag you have 65 extra str points giving you a total of 401 str points and 20367 HP (with 1200 extra HP).

PS: you can get 1 extra str point on the wings.

yea ur right but in the end , hybrib still win in both aspect vs a blader

Is true that during those 2 minutes and IF the blader dont use snow shield at 20 or 25% (he can use it at those % without problem), the int will have better tanking capabilities. The problem is that the snow shield last 2 minutes, so you have to have a second plan for the 1 minute cooldown ^^.

15 seconds of ironwall and 45 seconds of running :roll:

Sylhana · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 3467 **Location:**

Blader has blocking ratio on shield. That needs to be taken into account too.

Aby · **Joined:** Sep 2007 **Posts:** 1339 **Location:**

The blader will obviously have more phy def, and a nuker will have more mag def. If each had garment and armor respectively, it would even it up, although each would still do better against their own type of player.

Excellent observation, though.

torinchibi · **Joined:** Sep 2007 **Posts:** 1357 **Location:**

.....7:1 means 7 str and 1 int? Looks like you area talking about 7int, 1str stat distribution, but yeah....I am pretty sure mana shield levels up past 50% since 50% is level 1 on a new book, so in the end, if you get like 60-70% absorbtion you pretty much can't kill the chinese if they have mana shield on. Unless you are a euro and already do enough dmg to 2 hit them even if they pot.

Fat_Smurf · **Posted:** Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:13 am

Krad_Red wrote:

Hm, you're hybrid with a sword? O_o

yes I am 10 str lvl and in garm, and I've been jobbing the whole day at east gate dw. with snow shield I could take 2-3 person on me and still survive, well I had to kd vigor and phantom a bit sometime, but I could tank everyone expet sun player.

knubbka · **Posted:** Sat Nov 10, 2007 6:28 am

Sylhana wrote:

Blader has blocking ratio on shield. That needs to be taken into account too.

arent we talking about STR blader vs INT hybrid sword? :?:

yea

I was confused for while :roll:

Krad_Red · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 334

Fat_Smurf wrote:

Krad_Red wrote:

Hm, you're hybrid with a sword? O_o

yes I am 10 str lvl and in garm, and I've been jobbing the whole day at east gate dw. with snow shield I could take 2-3 person on me and still survive, well I had to kd vigor and phantom a bit sometime, but I could tank everyone expet sun player.

That changes everything XD

Thought you ment spear, since most hybrid ints are spear. The shield helps ya tank hella lot. xD

butcha · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 681 **Location:** Estonia

Idk if im hybrid int any1 can help me out? >.<

101mag
69phy
with gear on...
and erm im s/s in i like it alot ^^

anywayz nice calculating there

BalkanFanaticS · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 768 **Location:**

Hershey wrote:

Doesn't a str based char naturally have more phy def then a mag based char?

yea , but thats why they have prot/armor lol

Idk put a 80 blader with full sun and mana shield on against like 5 pure str glaviers while he has iron wall on, he could tank them easily..

very same with the int sun ... 6 ppl ints/str-s(most with +5 weapon) against full sun+6 int with armor , they were doing about 800-2k dmg lol (none had sun) tho the guy had to keep runing >.> (without snow shield)

but i have seen a full sun blader get owned by sun+9 glavi in 3 hit :shock:

LockStar. · **Joined:** Jun 2007 **Posts:** 948 **Location:**

Int in sword and shield with Snow > Blader.

Im full int spear, I can easily tank 2 bladers who are constantly KDing and stabbing, get up and hit 9-12 k nukes on them depending on how noobish their items are. I even had 3 bladers stabbing me at once when I was jobbing at dw.

Seriously, since snow shield was implemented Int can tank just about anything. (unless it crits like hell -.- )

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