Question about ''Third party programs''

Super8 · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 119 **Location:**

Why exactly are they illegal ?

Editing files such as PK2 editing is against the ToS, and signing up for cSRO or kSRO can get you banned.. so I'm assuming joymax doesn't like that much either - yet you support it here?

Anyway.. third party programs, I don't see how using a noDc client is a bad thing.
You only have to launch the client once, instead of re-launching every time you get ''cannot connect due to server traffic''
lol.

Multiclient? I know that you can (or use to) use VMware and doing a lot of other things... and people didn't seem to have a problem with that
Then someone decided to make a program allowing you to launch two clients without going through all the hassle of VMware, and people freaked :roll:

Why?

aruin · **Joined:** Oct 2007 **Posts:** 138 **Location:** Reality

imo...
any and all infractions of the Joymax TOS on this forum should be bannable.

pk2 editing is clearly against the TOS. It ruins the game for us who love the suspense of waiting over a year to see the next level gears and what not.

As is any 3rd party software, bot, no dc or what ever.

But I dont make the rules here, nor do I want to enforce them.

It's clearly hipocritical on how some things are run here and there..

navicore · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 8

aruin wrote:

imo...
any and all infractions of the Joymax TOS on this forum should be bannable.

pk2 editing is clearly against the TOS. It ruins the game for us who love the suspense of waiting over a year to see the next level gears and what not.

As is any 3rd party software, bot, no dc or what ever.

But I dont make the rules here, nor do I want to enforce them.

It's clearly hipocritical on how some things are run here and there..

Not really. Some of the rules that JM enforces themselves are stupid. This community, and those that were chosen to moderate "us," are not affiliated with JM and thus the rules set here have nothing to do with those set by JM. We share some in common, but that's it.

ArchYourFace · **Joined:** Oct 2007 **Posts:** 638 **Location:**

it doesnt matter. if they changed theyre policy on this matter there wouldnt be mods to ban everyone else. for some reason they can rummage through the wrongs and determine which one they think are alright, then use the excuse that "it doesnt hurt anyone else," or "its client side." so basically they are no differnt than the botters who hide behind theyre excuses.

BloodOwnzzz · **Posted:** Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:57 am

3rd party programs are not included in the Joymax ToS.

ArchYourFace · **Joined:** Oct 2007 **Posts:** 638 **Location:**

BloodOwnzzz wrote:

3rd party programs are not included in the Joymax ToS.

. Users found to be using or distributing illegal programs may be subject to restrictions of their account or have their account deleted. In particular cases, the user may be subject to investigation by the proper authorities.

navicore · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 8

ArchYourFace wrote:

BloodOwnzzz wrote:

3rd party programs are not included in the Joymax ToS.

. Users found to be using or distributing illegal programs may be subject to restrictions of their account or have their account deleted. In particular cases, the user may be subject to investigation by the proper authorities.

Is illegal actually defined by the TOS? That's where the lovely loop hole would be. Besides ofcourse "may be."

BloodOwnzzz · **Posted:** Fri Feb 15, 2008 1:03 am

ArchYourFace wrote:

BloodOwnzzz wrote:

3rd party programs are not included in the Joymax ToS.

. Users found to be using or distributing illegal programs may be subject to restrictions of their account or have their account deleted. In particular cases, the user may be subject to investigation by the proper authorities.

https://www.joymax.com/portal/Joymax_Fr ... oymax.com/

Use that one.

LadyOphelia · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 990 **Location:** Mommyland

Pk2 editing is simply done at your own risk, it does not involve running a 3rd party program, but simply changing a line of text, #'s or symbols or whatever that mumbo jumbo is in the pk2 files (lol haven't done it myself so not sure what it is).

But other 3rd party programs such as softmod, no-dc clients, multi-clients etc.. often carry viruses or key loggers. These programs that seem to make the game more convenient to play, often are the cause of players getting hacked or scammed. I believe SRF simply wants to protect its users and possibly not support the bot creators who also make these programs.

BloodOwnzzz · **Posted:** Fri Feb 15, 2008 1:06 am

[SD]LadyOphelia wrote:

Pk2 editing is simply done at your own risk, it does not involve running a 3rd party program, but simply changing a line of text, #'s or symbols or whatever that mumbo jumbo is in the pk2 files (lol haven't done it myself so not sure what it is).

But other 3rd party programs such as softmod, no-dc clients, multi-clients etc.. often carry viruses or key loggers. These programs that seem to make the game more convenient to play, often are the cause of players getting hacked or scammed. I believe SRF simply wants to protect its users and possibly not support the bot creators who also make these programs.

Softmod is a bot. And you are supposed to scan files before you use them or have a good virus protection.

chesticles · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 1978 **Location:**

Quote:

Article 2 (User's Responsibilities)

1. User must register with their real name and accurate information without any falsehood when User registers for this service. The Company shall not be responsible for any losses to the User caused by false information.

2. The User must immediately notify the Company of any changes to personal information (email and others) by updating the user account information.

3. User has the responsibility to take care of his/her account and password.

4. User shall not illegally use other's accounts.

5. User shall not use service by company in any other way and shall not participate in the following activities when using the Services.
① Act of distributing content in game servers or websites without the permission of the copyright holder
② Act of advertising the Company's copyright and intellectual property rights in game servers or websites without the Company's permission.

6. User shall not violate other people's rights by using the services in violation of the public peace and morality.

7. The User must observe the terms in this Agreement and the Law, and shall not damage the reputation of the Company or cause interference to the Services.

8. User must read regularly and be familiar with the notices posted through the Web site.

9. User shall not complain of problems that arise due to use of other software not developed by the Company.

This is taken directly from JoyMax T.O.S... I found #9 to be intresting and didnt really find anything that says botting is illegal except maybe #6... Just food for thought

Dian Jie · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 737 **Location:** Valhalla

Because they are. Now look no further down that sewer.

Super8 · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 119 **Location:**

BloodOwnzzz wrote:

[SD]LadyOphelia wrote:

Pk2 editing is simply done at your own risk, it does not involve running a 3rd party program, but simply changing a line of text, #'s or symbols or whatever that mumbo jumbo is in the pk2 files (lol haven't done it myself so not sure what it is).

But other 3rd party programs such as softmod, no-dc clients, multi-clients etc.. often carry viruses or key loggers. These programs that seem to make the game more convenient to play, often are the cause of players getting hacked or scammed. I believe SRF simply wants to protect its users and possibly not support the bot creators who also make these programs.

Softmod is a bot. And you are supposed to scan files before you use them or have a good virus protection.

Pretty sure Softmod is just a crack for a bot, not a bot itself.. at least I think so!

Anyway.. there's countless people using multiclient and noDc to login, so that's not the reason why it isn't allowed.. there's lots of clean ones out there

ineedhelp · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 1137 **Location:**

Super8 wrote:

Why exactly are they illegal ?

Search button nao

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Editing files such as PK2 editing is against the ToS, and signing up for cSRO or kSRO can get you banned.. so I'm assuming joymax doesn't like that much either - yet you support it here?

last time i checked ryoko makes his own rules for his own forum
um pk2 edit has already been discuss use search button this forums isnt owned by joymaxx just a fan site of the game

playing csro and ksro gets u banned

link please

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Anyway.. third party programs, I don't see how using a noDc client is a bad thing.
You only have to launch the client once, instead of re-launching every time you get ''cannot connect due to server traffic''
lol.

Use search button its been discussed

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Multiclient? I know that you can (or use to) use VMware and doing a lot of other things... and people didn't seem to have a problem with that
Then someone decided to make a program allowing you to launch two clients without going through all the hassle of VMware, and people freaked :roll:

its so commen sense it doesn't need explanation

r u actually asking this or seeking attention

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Why?

IDK

Lachlan · **Joined:** Sep 2007 **Posts:** 13 **Location:** BC, Canada

Some keyloggers are found by anti-virus programs, but in the case of modified clients and bots, keylogging is not a virus but rather an intended part of the program that the bot creator has placed in the software. Scanning it will not find the keylogging.

This is why so many people who use modified clients (bots, multi-clients, etc) find their account hacked not long after they have installed the new software.

Axeoo7 · **Posted:** Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:06 am

The owner and admins of the forums dont like bots and 3rd pt programs thats the only reason you need.

Ryoko · **Joined:** Dec 2005 **Posts:** 6390 **Location:**

Axeoo7 wrote:

The owner and admins of the forums dont like bots and 3rd pt programs thats the only reason you need.

ty!

Midori · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 3425 **Location:**

Super8 wrote:

Pretty sure Softmod is just a crack for a bot, not a bot itself.. at least I think so!

no, it's a bot, not a crack for a bot.

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