noob question about jewelry alchemy

achmalach · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 986 **Location:**

well... *shamed*

I suppose it's necesarry to put freeze on all jewelry in order to have the 'close to or almost immuun to ice' possibility?

thx

Reebok1019 · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 91 **Location:**

not really if you use shield and have the shield skill under the fire force then its not that necessary.. but it would definitely be good to have it. But Buffing using the fire shield is fine.

desolator144 · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 1016 **Location:** US

since almost all the fog tablets at low lvls take an insane amount of wind 2 and fail about 90% of the time, you'll never ever get all the jewelry to 15% at 4D for example for under 100 million gold so don't bother. By the time you have that much money, they'll have release the KSRO immunity to freeze potion.

achmalach · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 986 **Location:**

but let's say that you have 1 jewelry that has 100% freeze/frostbite reduction. Are you fully immune then or do all of them have to be 100% and you need fire shield series 2?

Tygrah · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 85 **Location:**

You can't have one item with 100% reduce.

The number to look at is the first %age, not the +% in brackets (which tells you how good the stat is).

Then you'll be immune if the reductions on your jewellery and fire-shield skill add up to 100% or more.

achmalach · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 986 **Location:**

aha ok (learning here)
so let's say i have 2 rings with 47 freeze reduce and earrings with 10 (or whatever) freeze reduce this means i have no nee dfor the shield series?
Are the values added?

Tygrah · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 85 **Location:**

In that case, yes - but 47% reduce doesn't exist.

The highest cold reduce you can have is 20%, so even if you have that on all 4 accessories, you still need 20% from fire-shield. (And it would be quite hard to get 20% reduce on everything, so I would level up fire-shield as much as possible.)

StealMySoda · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 5245 **Location:**

For another example I have Fire Shield Emperor. Which is 78%.

All I need is 5% on 3 jewlers, and 10 on another. Or 20% on one and 1or2%'s on the others to be immune.

achmalach · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 986 **Location:**

ok thx very much so in conclusion concerning alchemy on jewelry:

* the number to look at is the first %
* numbers on different accesories are added to eachother
* only with fire shield series 100% immunity can be accomplished

desolator144 · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 1016 **Location:** US

doesn't fire shield cut off effects by number? Let's say all 4 jewelry thingies are 20% freeze resistant (which again, would cost like 100 mil to make since it takes wind 2 to make those stones and they almost always fail). So that's 80%. Now some super high lvl person hits you with a freeze attack with an effect of 150. The jewelry takes off 120 and leaves 30 points. Now I don't remember how much the fire shield takes off but let's say it's low lvl and takes off 25 points to all bad effects. You'd still get frozen very lightly at 5 points but that's still frozen lol. Btw more realistically, if all jewelry had 12% that'd be 48% and that would take 72 off of a 150 point freeze and your fire shield would have to block 78 points which I'm pretty sure it can't do unless that's super high lvl too.
So yeah, don't bother. I had two rings with 15% poison reduce which was maxed out at the time and fire shield still wasn't enough to make me completely immune to poison.

Tygrah · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 85 **Location:**

desolator144 wrote:

doesn't fire shield cut off effects by number?

No.

See this thread, or this one (or seach for more).

mmsicis · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 615

my fire shield reduce i think for now 44 effect so to be immune its possible should i make fog stones is they rare?

zZh4ku · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 693 **Location:**

desolator144 wrote:

doesn't fire shield cut off effects by number? Let's say all 4 jewelry thingies are 20% freeze resistant (which again, would cost like 100 mil to make since it takes wind 2 to make those stones and they almost always fail). So that's 80%. Now some super high lvl person hits you with a freeze attack with an effect of 150. The jewelry takes off 120 and leaves 30 points. Now I don't remember how much the fire shield takes off but let's say it's low lvl and takes off 25 points to all bad effects. You'd still get frozen very lightly at 5 points but that's still frozen lol. Btw more realistically, if all jewelry had 12% that'd be 48% and that would take 72 off of a 150 point freeze and your fire shield would have to block 78 points which I'm pretty sure it can't do unless that's super high lvl too.
So yeah, don't bother. I had two rings with 15% poison reduce which was maxed out at the time and fire shield still wasn't enough to make me completely immune to poison.

hmm do u have Fire Shield Emperor?

EllisD · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 1788 **Location:**

desolator144 wrote:

doesn't fire shield cut off effects by number? Let's say all 4 jewelry thingies are 20% freeze resistant (which again, would cost like 100 mil to make since it takes wind 2 to make those stones and they almost always fail). So that's 80%. Now some super high lvl person hits you with a freeze attack with an effect of 150. The jewelry takes off 120 and leaves 30 points. Now I don't remember how much the fire shield takes off but let's say it's low lvl and takes off 25 points to all bad effects. You'd still get frozen very lightly at 5 points but that's still frozen lol. Btw more realistically, if all jewelry had 12% that'd be 48% and that would take 72 off of a 150 point freeze and your fire shield would have to block 78 points which I'm pretty sure it can't do unless that's super high lvl too.
So yeah, don't bother. I had two rings with 15% poison reduce which was maxed out at the time and fire shield still wasn't enough to make me completely immune to poison.

I got 20% on a few accessories with 5 stones. Your just unlucky.

Also, fire shield works as a percentage. So my almost maxed 3rd book fire shield knocks off 70% (maybe 69 or 71, but somewhere around there) so i need 30% on my jewels to be immune to anything. Spent a few mil on elements, had all the tabs cause they drop like flies, and now im immune to every status effect (well, besides the ones you cant get status reduce for)

Its really not that hard. Or its the hardest thing in the world. Just another thing that is chalked up to luck.

Stallowned · **Posted:** Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:27 pm

EllisD wrote:

desolator144 wrote:

doesn't fire shield cut off effects by number? Let's say all 4 jewelry thingies are 20% freeze resistant (which again, would cost like 100 mil to make since it takes wind 2 to make those stones and they almost always fail). So that's 80%. Now some super high lvl person hits you with a freeze attack with an effect of 150. The jewelry takes off 120 and leaves 30 points. Now I don't remember how much the fire shield takes off but let's say it's low lvl and takes off 25 points to all bad effects. You'd still get frozen very lightly at 5 points but that's still frozen lol. Btw more realistically, if all jewelry had 12% that'd be 48% and that would take 72 off of a 150 point freeze and your fire shield would have to block 78 points which I'm pretty sure it can't do unless that's super high lvl too.
So yeah, don't bother. I had two rings with 15% poison reduce which was maxed out at the time and fire shield still wasn't enough to make me completely immune to poison.

I got 20% on a few accessories with 5 stones. Your just unlucky.

Also, fire shield works as a percentage. So my almost maxed 3rd book fire shield knocks off 70% (maybe 69 or 71, but somewhere around there) so i need 30% on my jewels to be immune to anything. Spent a few mil on elements, had all the tabs cause they drop like flies, and now im immune to every status effect (well, besides the ones you cant get status reduce for)

Its really not that hard. Or its the hardest thing in the world. Just another thing that is chalked up to luck.

Don't you hate it when stone after stone gives you something crappy like 1% or 3% reduce.
Then, you are on your last jewelry piece and only need maybe a percent or two, and bam there comes a perfect 20% reduce.

calearney · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 183

[quote="achmalach"]well... *shamed*

I suppose it's necesarry to put freeze on all jewelry in order to have the 'close to or almost immuun to ice' possibility?

thx

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yes especially after lvl 60. 60+ u can become amune to cold.

mmsicis · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 615

in alchemy i hate i need 10 chalanges enough to make crit more than 0 percents

havent tryed alchemy on accesories!

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