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I saw a lot of videos whit Euro chars whit crossbow...they were killing whit 1 shot mobs whit 2-3 lvls highr then them....The rogues whit crossbow are the same good in pvp? I have a full str bow chinese char and I am wondering if at high lvl, could I kill in pvp a euro rogue whit crossbow? Dont post answers like: Depends of your weapon, etc....Let`s supose that we are same lvl(70+ maybe) and we have same power of equipments...Can I beat him? I mean can A full str archer beat a Rouge whit crossbow??

rouges have their super cheap power up called crossbow extreme or dagger desperate, what it does is sacrifice a ton of health for a ton of attack damage and stuff
so, with this buff and their strongest skill, they can easily one hit mobs 2-3 levels above them

the only thing good about them in pvp is that they use stealth to sneak up on u and then like totally lay the damage on u
they can also do that morph into another char thing

Nice explanation, but you didn`t answered my question: Can a full str chinese Archer kill them in pvp?

Yes Full Str or Hybrid china can kill rogue or any europ.
rogue are made for 1 hit(with crytical) im level 72 and i own a lvl 74 2 hand axe and no he don't got NPC. only thing.

i'f you a glavie and you get to stunt the rogue hes dead,
Blader just keep know down and he will die
archer just stunt him first, or use ice to slow him down.

i think rogue are the best for thief's.

you are dumb

It depends on who get the first hit...does he use xbow xtreme/stealth, who gets a crit etc etc...as long as he doesnt crit the first time you should be able to kill him before he kills you, that is if he uses xbow xtreme, when he dont use it...well, prolly a potfight like thing. you will win in the end cuz he wont do enough dmg and his pot delay lol

Pot delay,First Hit?

Let me tell u why you're wrong,If its PVP a rogue with cleric subclass (with speedpotions) can easily use cleric recovery division(autopot) & for 45 sec have an ultra def/mag def called Bless Spell.Then u can easily tank,ESPECIALLY against another STR based char for at least 45 sec,this is how I tank 3 giants 5 level highers without dying as a rogue/cleric.

Oh and let me add,Xbow does more damage then a chinese bow even without XbowXtreme on. & it has a higher crit average..So Sayonara ^^

whoever hits first wins.. although when rogue goes stealth...u can expect anything

redneck didnt u just read what I said?

A rogue Xbow bard might die first hit.But a rogue Xbow sub cleric Cannot die first hit unless its a fool and not use the Bless spell when pvping to use Xbow and give UberPwnage

depends what ur vsing and what ur gear is. u mite get frostbite from a chinese, u mite get knocked down, u mite even lag and die but truthfully bless spell isnt even that great. its 45 secs. 5-10 secs to switch from rod to bow. its helpful but its not fullproof. now if this rogue went stealth and knocked back and then used bless spell his chances are increased by 70% of winning. u still cant forget about pot delay..

U do make a point,gear do make a difference.Clerics can be immune against frostbite btw.And switching takes 1-2 sec because u obviously set it on your "minibar" u have right on the screen.And This u should do before starting to fight from a long distance.

To give u an idea of how powerfull bless spell is I shall say this.My 72+5 shield has about 100 Phy def!

At level 36 The cleric bless spell has DOUBLE that amount,202 Phy def the Bless Spell gives.

Now here are the respective numbers at their levels of the bless spell

Mastery lvl 24-115 phy def incr
Mastery lvl 30-154 phy def incr
Mastery lvl 36-202 phy def incr
Mastery lvl 60-505 Phy def Incr

U want a comparaison,for 45 sec a Rogue has more Phy def then a Blader with Shield,Or Almost equals a blader with shield and the 15 sec ironwall shield on top of that.(super phy def buff)

Ok.....I learned from this post something about rogues...that they can be killed:D I will try to pvp whit one of my lvl and try to kill him:D

yes you can beat him, if its a "fair" 1 on 1 battle, otherwise your screwed

Well, if you really want to stand a chance, just try to pvp him in an area with no safe zones...Rogues are kinda useless unless near a safe zone, b.c they are meant to hit and run. If you see one pulling some cleric buffs n stuff, just run from him for awhile, until his buffs are over, and then, come pretty close to it's range, grass walk near him and hit him with a fast KB skill like "x" arrow combo.Then he's over...Fail to do that, and you'll just become a trophy for him. IMO rogues are thy most overpowered class.Int's stand almost no chance against them, and for str's its hard to fight them b.c of their damn KD and KB skills.

And rogue w/ warrior -> much better than rogue with cleric...