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Greetings,

I just started a glaiver and I'm really about to hit level 5 so I can start the business with it. Actually I just can't decide something. I've read a few guides, but most of them were 100fire/80lightning/20cold, but I'd like to go 100fire/100force, not because it's better or something (i guess it isn't), because I've never ever tried force yet.
Is that actually that bad? I mean force. Some guides are telling me that I shouldn't level my healing spells at all - understandable, but still...
Heuksal and fire is trivial as always, really doesn't need time to think about what skills to level and what not to. Of course the equipment part is also clear, garment should be my armor and glaive (hehe i'm sherlock holmes) my primary - because I'll have to use a shield aswell, at least have one to be able to buff up - weapon.
Okay so back to the main thingy. Would you rather go 80lightning/20cold or 100force. Or if you have a different idea please share with me.
Thanks in advance, waiting for your replies:
~Buddhist

P.S.: Sorry if I've bumped up an old topic - I hope I haven't !

I'd go for force.
And take the self heals(maybe useful sometimes).
Take the the book(s) that heal urself too from the other heal series.
Debuffs.
Ress.
Theraphy.
MP.
Maybe anti abnormal skills too, but only 1 series.

i had glavier-force-fire - masteries 100.
with +7 set 100+5 chest+legs and 100+5 neckless ,accs+7 glavie +8 14crit.

i really liked this build , because
glavier-no force - have limit damage. like 6k-7k in SSE x2
9k-11k 4k-6k in fly flash [depends on weapon]

and glavie-force can get new limits with division/decay and weaken.
i remember when normal glavier-cold with +9 hit like 22-25k in ghost spear crit , i did 33-35k in ghost crit

against euro its very fine , if you know how to play
i could survive and kill alot warriors rogues and wizards.

i love force.if you have good wep and set - worth it.
one problem is maybe Euro chars, but no high differents between glavier-force to glavie-light - they both cant debuff holyspell.

Thank you for your replies, I was actually looking for answers like those. I take force and enjoy the pewpew:>

i really like force a lot

but im doing it on a blader soz good luck wif ur glavier!

Force imo is completely useless, Cause against anyone with cleric your debuff's wont work....So in party PvP you will have to rely on your weapon and only your weapon...Force on Chinese characters = only good at killing other Chinese characters.

how is it completely useless when "its good at killing other Chinese characters"?

nothing is completely useless, just that usefulness may not be as great thats all

I call it completely useless cause your stuck being good only against 1 race....Have fun only Pvping other Chinese characters, getting owned by Euros with cleric(which pretty much everyone has) and buying speed drugs.

Kallaway:
im totaly disagree with you,

maybe force cant debuff holyspell , but Str-light/cold cant do it too
for example if you have blader-light pvp vs warrior-cleric he cant make him status with smash+combo , so he same as blader-force, they both cant make status, so i dont see in this a disadvantage of force.
so there is not bigdeal.
maybe but only maybe you have lower PR and phy defence , im not sure about this because its all depends on your set.

for example i take the char i had [glavier-force]
i couldnt debuff cleric
and glavie-light/cold dont have debuffs

so we are same, maybe the glavier-light/cold have more phy/pr but im still not agree on this point because i had +7 set and 100+5 legs/chest/neckless and other accs+7, good blues and good white stats.
i had better PR than alot 80-100mastery light and better phy defence than 80-100mastery cold users.so its depend alot on your set,
because you can be Str-cold with 4+5+6 set with 22-41% stats
and you can be Str-Force with +7+8 set with 61%+ and get better defence than this cold user.

Alright look, you still don't get it..... Yes both builds cant debuff cleric, but glavie light/cold still has the more defense, and the glavie/force is stuck with less defense and a useless skill tree. Also it does matter on your set, but not everyone is going to have a set like you said you had. Now if you both had +7 set and 100+5 legs/chest/necklace good blues/whites etc. Glavie light/cold would still have the more defense and Glavie/force is still stuck with a skill tree he cant use and less defense. So in the end i would rather have the more defense and have a better chance at surviving than having less defense and a skill tree i cant use.

You cant say a certain build is good just because you have a good set like that. Any build is good if you have a good set like that(if you know how to play your build), but if the build is only good with a set like that then....its not really a good build to me.

if glavie-cold and glavie-force have same set
cold have more phy defence, - agreed with what u said.

but that is what special here in mmorgp games you allways wanna get the best stuff , you can make good sets that enough tank

i can tell you that i had alot times like 10-15k hp,
and vigor+selfheal up very fast my HP back to 47k.
i can reduce PR and AT and i could tank warriors with my set even
i can cure my status every one sec , without worry about the 15sec delay of puri pills.

and i can tell you that i killed most warriors in my server.
so say force is shit vs holy is not truth , its depends on alot things and situations and lucky,

if we talk ch vs ch , force can get new limits even i can comparing this build to "the chinese cleric-warlock" because as cleric you can cure yourself+heal yourself and as warlock you can debuff your opponents

i can tell you that i hit with force debuffs 4k+ more than other friend with glavie +9 [ i had +8 glavie 14crit 61% stats]

force also have importent if you want reduce the damage of the opponent on you. and also he have purfi+selfcure very hard catch or kill him in status.


**and yes most examples i gave you here are advantages of force
also he have alot disadvantages.

but i want show you more somthing
on your first msg you said "Cause against anyone with cleric your debuff's wont work"

and on your 2nd msg " Yes both builds cant debuff cleric"
you contradicting yourself

Im not contradicting myself. Im just saying Force is completely useless to me....Yes force pretty much owns any other chinese character....but since SRO is Euro based now, anyone with cleric your force skill tree is useless. Fortress war, Guild wars, Party cape PVP, Job wars there will always be a cleric with Holy spell so your Debuffs wont work. Force to me is more PvE then PvP.

So i would rather have a Build like Glavie fire/light, or light/cold where both my skill trees are put to use like buffs....So

Glavie Fire/Light
Phy. Dmg increase buff
Mag. Defense buff
Phy. Dmg increse Passive
Mag. attack power increase buff
PR increase buff
Speed buff/Ghost walk
PR increase passive

Glavie Light/Cold
Mag. attack power increase buff
PR increase buff
Speed buff/Ghost walk
PR increase passive
Phy. defense buff
Snow sheild
Phy. defense passive

Glavie Force(with whatever other skill tree you want)
Heals(Doesn't last like HC, or HO)
Harmony Circle thing(Doesn't really speed your healing much, and only protects you from Mobs not other players)
Debuffs(They don't work against Euros unless that euro doesn't have cleric)
Resurrection
MP increase passive(LOL @ that)
With Fire
Phy. Dmg increase buff
Mag. Defense buff
Phy. Dmg increse Passive
With Light
Mag. attack power increase buff
PR increase buff
Speed buff/Ghost walk
PR increase passive
With Cold
Phy. defense buff
Snow sheild
Phy. defense passive

first of all,

glavie-light-fire have only

Parry Ratio increased,
Speed - useless for me i saw much chars like euro-cleric and ch-force train without.
and 17% Mag Increased - raise your imbue damage not the "physical" skills of glavie.
and Phantom >.<" for running like noob =]

Glavie-Cold-fire

phy def increased - very good
snow-shield - very good if you need tank
ice wall - very good can help in some situations.

now if you want talk on the FW/GW/cape war/ job war - many people war
, that is complicated very complicated
because when i was on the FW/GW/cape war/jw , i bought 2 drugs 100% [better 77% light speed] 250k each one / 1m for 1hour - no problem i guess if you lvl 100 you have this 1milion to spend.

100% you are in party with bard and cleric
so your "lack" of phy defence - fixing - cleric phy def - better chinese cold def.

now true , 50%-100% that people get holyspell - so you are now playing like regular Glavier. so i solve your problem in "FW,GW,CW,JW"

force in fortress is useless? from your sight.
he can res
he can heal himself + 10K HP! with skill named "Heal-Full Hand" work on two people - 10k HP HEAL that alot, so i can compare it to cleric-chinese =]
he can debuff - not all and not always people are with holy spell/word. people forget put this buff than they pvp without,
people die and back - need go near cleric to get again this buff
etc.

btw i thought our subject was ch vs euro 1v1. not ch vs euro in wars. and i guess i gave you good answer for your questio ch-force in wars
** read all because im closing corners about alot stories of force in Many People Wars

no one talks 1v1 in sro anymore, its all about mass wars now, and you putting up 1 heal skill against a whole cold tree is ridiculous.

in FW you cant even target ppl, let alone start debuffing or single healing ppl, your build was meant to do great damage and take great damage in return, youre using it wrong imo.

well i said , in war of many people like FW GW CW JW etc.
its very complicated work on alot situations
but even if you force ,you can fix those things like cold/light users fix debuffs thing.

and what rediculous in healing friend in war?
its f*cking heal 10k hp like the biggest cleric heal very helpful if you see friend in party with 40-50% hp. [cleric biggest heal - Holy Recovery, heal in LvL 98 8.9k!]

force is not build in "take damage and take damage return" what a b's is it? i gave many examples i guess you didnt read all my comments

and trust me when i was in FW i killed alot people who aint had Holy Spell/Word , many people forget to put it , or they put it on the start than forget put again after 5min.

maybe in your server is based "cape wars". in my server is exist only when people try gang each one so they make party share. they dont make "cape war" because they bored the most of pvp is still 1v1 in my server.

btw my last msg about this topic, do what you feel good to do with your char.
and what you like,have a fun.

Actually you made quite a big mistake there. A cleric will heal a lot more than 8.9k HP on Lv.98, as he has 300% weapon magical attack power reflect on the skill, which means, that the healing power will be increased by the magical attack power of the clerics weapon. A good 10 Degree cleric rod should have at least around 3k magical attack power. So the cleric should actually heal at least twice as much as a chinese force user or maybe even more. And you forgot, that a cleric has Healing Orbit too, which heals all party members regularly, as long as they are in range of the cleric.

Nothing against chinese force STR chars though. And if holy spell gets reduced to 50% on ISRO too, they should be able to debuff through it too. As they don't have vampire moves though, warlocks will be much better at debuffing through holy spell.

what ever , 9.5k heal x2 people is very high.
-.-' why you search the bad in the good?

Now I'm confused, but I guess I'll go force anyway. Doing the Bandit's Stronghold SP farming business for a week or two so I've got enough time to decide.