Hybrid bow crit vs. Str bow crit

Hasbin · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 230 **Location:**

Da_Realest wrote:

Also, I have made a 70:70 glaive before. Even with stun and knock back, I still died.

Since we all go off-topic discussing pvp instead of the crit.

Off topic: If u would have somewhat experience, you should know a 70:70 should go spear cuz of the potentially higher crit and 70:70 is int based.

takolin · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 4238 **Location:** Life

W3GAN wrote:

my view:
bow isnt bad cuz of the int/str, its bad because it doesnt have the good attacks like kd/stab and knockback/stun.

It'll change when the skill update comes (2050?).
I'm reskilling my hybrid spear to hybrid bow for fun and after farming changing to 70-70 balance bow.

I'm not planning to level fast. I'll only play a bit for fun when I'm bored with other things.

Miletus · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 105

Hey Da_Realest, so for my 88%/42% Build what should i wear garm or prot, what is your character wearing? well my chara is wearing garm and i stopped lvling ice i probably should switch to prot and the extra INT i am adding give me more mag def right?

Have you tried some pve, you have enough hp?

Da_Realest · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2435 **Location:**

Hasbin wrote:

Since we all go off-topic discussing pvp instead of the crit.

Off topic: If u would have somewhat experience, you should know a 70:70 should go spear cuz of the potentially higher crit and 70:70 is int based.

It was not off topic. I already established that a hybrid str can't critical harder.

It was just an example that just because you do more damage doesn't mean you will win. No one cares about how much damage you do if you die too fast to do it. HP passive, knock back, stun, and I even tried using a spear. I died about 60% of the time.

Miletus wrote:

Hey Da_Realest, so for my 88%/42% Build what should i wear garm or prot, what is your character wearing? well my chara is wearing garm and i stopped lvling ice i probably should switch to prot and the extra INT i am adding give me more mag def right?

Have you tried some pve, you have enough hp?

Go protector. My character is currently wearing protector also. I don't have to ghost walk away or run for a long time because my character tanks pretty well. I only use ghost walk if they get a crit on me or if I want to use strongbow.

Yea, adding int should add to your mag defense.

In PvE, my 93% str with 9 lvl gap, 2 or 3 hits mobs 1 level lower than me with my wolf. I only need to use anti devil, a arrow combo, and maybe another arrow combo. As far as hp goes, I have plenty to spare.

With an 88% str bow, you probably could one hit mobs a level lower so hp shouldn't be a problem. It shouldn't be much of a problem in PvP either as long as you don't wear garment.

Nenhunter · **Joined:** Mar 2006 **Posts:** 458 **Location:**

well, a 70:70 glaive/spear isn't exactly the best example to compare. Bow has higher mag dmg than glaive and higher phys dmg than spear. So to lump the conclusion of a 70:70 glaive/spear and 70:70 bow, its comparing apples and oranges

Da_Realest · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2435 **Location:**

Nenhunter wrote:

well, a 70:70 glaive/spear isn't exactly the best example to compare. Bow has higher mag dmg than glaive and higher phys dmg than spear. So to lump the conclusion of a 70:70 glaive/spear and 70:70 bow, its comparing apples and oranges

True, but you don't have anything to buy you time. I had an hp passive, stun, and knock back, but I still couldn't stay alive long enough. A bit higher damage isn't going to change the outcome of battle if you have nothing to buy you time to do that damage. Maybe once we get the new skills, 70:70 bow will be good since they will have stun and knock back to buy them time to kill. But until then, they're not a good way to go.

Alfred · **Joined:** Mar 2006 **Posts:** 1545 **Location:** .se

Nenhunter wrote:

well, a 70:70 glaive/spear isn't exactly the best example to compare. Bow has higher mag dmg than glaive and higher phys dmg than spear. So to lump the conclusion of a 70:70 glaive/spear and 70:70 bow, its comparing apples and oranges

Actually, the spear and glaive has both higher phy and mag damage.

Npc weapons level 64

Bow - phy attack power 456 - 559 // mag attack power 730 - 894

Glaive - phy attack power 504 - 616 // mag attack power 753 - 896

Spear - phy attack power 470 - 560 // mag attack power 807 - 986

tomiotar · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 598 **Location:**

Going first to toppic. If crit of hybrid are not as high as pure str at least the are not really low and I can check this every day when I do pvp. I reach level 68 today so I went to check my new bow at downjang south gate and the results were very simple, I won when antidevil crited and I loose when it took too long to crit. Ive fought 2 times against a pure int spear lvl 70,

First: antidevil crited+arrow combo+berzerk I won (but I had less than 2k remaining, I could die with Lyon shout but he try to do a 3rd nuke).

Second: antidevil dont crit+arrow combo+berzerk, he launch the third nuke and I get pawned (overkill really, he took much more life that I had remaining).

(my first conclusion, my HP is at the limit of being too low)

Against lvl70 pure int s/s. 7 fight I won all but always using vigors on certain moments to make time to my crit, when antidevil crit I won.

lvl68 blader, pot fight I could double always his damage but we both was potting without problem our respective damage.

Up to here when I won. After I won some fights the 72+ see me and they decide to make a damage contest with me (Ive act as a Mangyang for them). Every single pure int with spear or s/s was able to 1 hit me (and a glavier with sosun do it too).

I didnt find any glavier of my level today to test me against them, but normally I can kill but I can be kill too. I have 9,5K of HP and when they stun me I finished with 3 or 4 and that is if they dont crit.

Now going a little bit out off topic. In my opinion hybrid is the best way to go with bow but you should consider that a pure int of your level can hurt 7k on you at my level so 10 or 11k is not enough if you cant 1 hit them. Im 1:1 and I think that Im on the limit and I see that I couldnt survive many fight if I have 2k less HP.

Talking about alchemy consider that its not easy at all got those perfect blues on all your D8 equipment from first to 3rd tier. I hope to get near perfect blues on my last gear, but in order to have the money to alchemized my last gear I have to accept to have my actual gear with 3str 3int, skip the second tier and use last tier of jewls D7.

To finish, Im 1:1 and Im really happy like this, but if I choose move on other direction I will choose more str than more int.

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Sat Apr 07, 2007 11:54 pm

Is Hasbin Jadekiss? O_o

MrFudge · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 5731 **Location:** None

full str is better because you shouldnt have a problem with int chars wearing protector or armor.

also you should have less problem with bladers and glavies wearing garmet. The int would just screw you over here.

aka full str ftw.

Pwnography · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 9 **Location:**

MrFudge wrote:

full str is better because you shouldnt have a problem with int chars wearing protector or armor.

also you should have less problem with bladers and glavies wearing garmet. The int would just screw you over here.

aka full str ftw.

agreed

takolin · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 4238 **Location:** Life

A char you like to play with >>>>>>> the "über-pwnage" cookiecutter build.

Therefor I'm going hybrid, because I play for fun.
If I don't win in 1on1, so be it; I know I won't suck that hard in GvG if I run.
There are worse things in the world.

Hasbin · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 230 **Location:**

takolin wrote:

A char you like to play with >>>>>>> the "über-pwnage" cookiecutter build.

Therefor I'm going hybrid, because I play for fun.
If I don't win in 1on1, so be it; I know I won't suck that hard in GvG if I run.
There are worse things in the world.

Good luck. U wont be disappointed. :wink:

Jadekiss · **Posted:** Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:10 pm

@NuclearSilo lol no he isnt Jadekiss

Jadekiss is Jadekiss XD

well i cant believe that ppl still discussing about 70:70 bow and str bow build.... what is the aim ?
let ppl play their chars and go their way.... if you think the 70:70 build sux, well i dont care !

You guys are just repeating and repeating.... endless circle.I can say only lol.

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