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well ... i know there are many threads discussing hybrid chars and i spend kinda long time in here trying to figure out how to go on with my one ... but, im sorry, i couldnt get a match and so im trying this way to get a few more help with that !

ok ... my detailed balance is str 86% / int 46% and now i´d like to decide what i´m gonna develop to.

1. one the one hand i could try to get close to a pure str build, but i think this way i´ll never reach the max hp´s of someone, who never ever put even 1 stat point on his int. this means to me, anyway i´d be weaker than a PURE str build on same lvl. ( pls do correct me if i am wrong )

2. on the other hand i could go on keeping my balance on 2:1 or maybe 3:1. ( btw i´d like to concentrate on my potential as a PVPer ) this means to me, if i´m PVPing, i could make good damage with my magical attacks to pure str builds and same with my physical attacks to pure int builds. ( again : pls do correct me if you think i´m wrong )
well in this case i´m unsure if my magical attacks would be really able to hurt a pure str build in PVP, cause my magical balance is much lower than the ones of pure int builds or 1:1 hybrid builds.

i´d appreciate to get some advices how to go on with my build now. if there are some more infos about my build needed, just ask for.

thx

wow ... they are plenty of threads opended later than this one with plenty of replies !

is there something i should know ?

come one, guys ... i´m sure there´s one who can give some advices to me !

I can't really help you that much, i am only level 27 blader/full str/fire

but i found one thing bladers are only good in pvp when someone stands to fight.
like for jobs it not good. when you are a theif/hunter you need some range attack because they will mostly try to run away.
and even with grass walk you might get a chance to hit them and lets say you did a crit but you can't kill them with 1 hit with a blade.
as a level 27 my max is less than 400 i think...


I used to have a level 24 spear user and i could do more than 1k max dmg.

and just so you know never go with fire.. it sucks cold is much more better.
i was using cold but everyone started whining about autopills so i did that quest and deleted all my levels in cold - costed me around 500k -
and did fire, it sucks.

hybrid bladers (especially cold ones) are a bad idea. Cold does a little damage, so adding to INT to increase the damage is like drinking a droplet of water after a full bottle of water. The points are better spent in STR and will help you tank.

well ... thanks for your replies even if they did not really answer my question !!!

well, you may want to consider posting some additional info about your character. the only helpful thing you mentioned was your balance, but that doesn't mean much without knowing your level. if you're at a relatively low level, then it'd be fine to go STR the rest of the way, as you wouldn't have that much int in the big scheme of things.

on the other hand, if you've been pumping into int for quite some time now, then it may be better to try hybridizing.

but, i do agree that a hybrid ice blader probably isn't the most effective build. for the most part, ice blades are meant to be tanks. with a hybrid, you'll have less physical defense and less hp, so you won't be able to tank as well. you also won't be able to push out much damage, since you're physical balance will be low, and ice isn't the strongest element.

so, you're weapon skills will suffer heavily, and getting the nukes probably won't help much.

of course, i could be completely wrong, but that's just my guess. overall, just do what you want and hope you like it. if you do, that's all that really matters.

well my lvl is at 41 already

i wasted some stat points to my int at early levels ( probably like many others who dont know much about at the beginning )

after that i started to put every single point on my str to get as close as possible to a pure build and after reading your post, Geobot, i think im going to go on like this !

thx

According to some research I did.
I've come to a conclusion that hybrid strength builds become rather weak in the end.
As they tend to have less hp to tank unlike pure strengths.
And have extremely meek magic damage.
I've yet to find good points to this build.

I've only found the hybrid int useful so far.

maybe another idea ...
if i would decide to go on hybrid now and change my magic mastery to fire ( know it´s gonna be hard work but i think i´m gonna take it then ) what would you think is a good way of hybrid ?

keeping 2:1 or maybe go on 1:1 ??? well ... or maybe change at all and try to become an int spezialized hybrid ?

would be great to get some meanings about this

thx

well ur build is the same as mine. correct em if wrong, im a 2 str 1 int
ice blader, this build exceled in the early lvls lvl 1-25 but right after pure builds start to excel cause of nukes, and heavy chains. ATM i am lvl 33 and im planning to keep my build this way. i can still keep up with the other builds on my lvl and my damage may be 50-100 dmg weaker than a pure fire blader but due to the ice i have a chance of getttn more hits n and more criticals in.For now i am having trouble pvping dual nukers, due to my low health (2.5k) I can kill the dual nukers depending on the situaton. 1 if i get hit first and didnt notice him till i got hit whiel theiving or etc id probly lose, except if i get my lucky block in which will have me in max hp in no time due to autopots. 2 i coild beat dual nukers i jus have to spot em first and get close to em b4 they got a shot on me because by the time i get in hell be knocked down, slow/frozen which will get me to kill his puny hp. 3 pvping pure str glaiver's always turns out to be a pot fight for me except if i get 2 criticals in a row (knockdown n stab which will do about 1.2k dmg at least. my strategy against a pure str glaiver is to chain knockdown stab if flipped chain kockdown n so on. and after about 30 seconds to a minute his health will be in the low 1000 since of the fast attack rating of a blader and ill jus try to get lucky there with criticals.

The items u need for this build is a sword with a very high critical i recommend 8 or higher nothing else lower because of the low damage this build gives. Also try to look for wpns that are +2 or over itll make ur damage almost as good as a pure str ice blader. Look for armor n accerories that have + str because ull need the xtra hp against dual nukers. the most important is a high block rating hsield i recoomend 17 or 18. a shield with block rating 17 or 18 is way better than a +5 10 block shield. itll come to good use when u theif or w/e and block a nuker or a critical from a glaiver

I recommend to use protector for this build or garments that are +'s

well yeah thats about it idk if this build is better than any pure str or pure int builds but i have fun with this build and it can still compete with other builds. Im lvl 33 at venice so if u wanan pvp jus tell me

well ...
thanks but are you really sure its better to use a sword with this build ? sorry im in a doubt cause we´re still str based builds and till now i thought it would be better to use a blade for this.

and another question : why did you choose to go for this build ? are u using nukes also ? cause if not, i really cant see any advantage for us to spend stat points on int. if there´s one ... i´d like to know !

btw ... sorry ... no pvp ... im on babel

o ididnt mean sword lol >< i meant blade my bad my bad XD
i always call em both swords but yeah use a blade. i chose this build because (I THINK) at lvl 50+ the int points wud be high enough to do decent nukes and its very versitile good majic d and good str d. whenever i go pve i can mob 10 monsters down that are grey.
Personally if i could start all over again, i would make a pure str ice blader
because i think its the best build out in the game all around. Im just experimenting with this build trying to get it to a high enough lvl to see if the nukes will do decent dmg. But atm my ice nukes hit about 400-600 dmg in pvp so if i have lightning nuke id priobly hit around 600-800 dmg whic i think is decent for a far range atk. But so far this build is very effective i beat every single pure build at my lvl. ill even show u sum pics
XD



ok this is a pure str/fire blader this is the buuild from flys guide. she was only lvl 32 n i was lvl 33 but still i had alot of hp left : ) the skills i used against her was in this strategy ice nuke,snake sword dance, knockdown stab if flipped chain if not flipped when chains is done knockdown shud be rdy to use n jus keep tryn to knock her down and use chains during reload time. So basically my technique was to flip n stab and to ice chain ti minimize the hits until kockdown again. After this me n nguyen dualed again with pots and it was a tie. Than we dualed with pots n zerked and she won by flipping me by a pancake lol XD. after a few more lvls m n her will dual again to c how this build is doing.




ok this guy was a pure str fire glaive(another build in flys top 4 builds)
he was my lvl and he went zerk. He couldnt kill me because of my ice chains that slowed his attacks n froze him which gave me time to autopot.
Plus knocking him down cuz he cant atk me when he on the ground XD.
so i chained him down and kocked him down and did a critical stab that killed him. XD .




okey this person was a pure int dual nuker spear(lightning n fire) we fought with no pots and i let her start at range. so yeah my strategy on this wun was that i didnt do any range attacks i jus ran stragith forward.
i did knockdown stab if flipped chain if not flipped n so on. but if it was a real pvp when i was theiving lets say i wud use the lightning teleport thingy to get close to the nuker and flip her b4 she can nuke. and due to a nukers low hp a blade with a high critical can probly kill a nuker with the 5 hit chain with a kockdown.


So whatever u do Get a blade that has a high critical or more its jus as good as a +3 blade thats 1 critical. and get a high block rating shield to block nuke atks or big criticals. and use kockdown to repot when u get hit by a critical.

well ... first ... big thanks for your motivating reply

i think i´m going to try that even if most people told me to pump everthing on str from now on. this way i would have become kind of a "close to pure str build" *lol* ... naah

i know it´s experimental and i´ll have to go for a big sp farm again ... but in a way i agree with your suggestions and i´m kinda interested if it works.

in this case i would be interested in how you´re going to deal with your buffs and passive skills ... cause in my oppinion we will definitely need those !

well im not saying this build is better than other builds, so dont choose this build if u think it is. The only reason i think i beat them was because my strategy was better. i think any build can be good it's just how u play it, and adapt ur build to make it better vr a certain build. Some builds are easier to pvp with or less complicated for example the pure str glaive (i think alot of ppl pick this build because its easy) in pvp all u have to do is big slow hits with big criticals. but a blader its a little more strategy, you have to knock down or choose ice chains or fire chains more dmg for fire, but less dmg from ice but the benefits u get from ice chains is taht it will slow/freeze them which means u get hit less. but since ice does less dmg
(or not enough dmg to kill sum1) as ppl say, thats why you get a blade with high critical. and u can add the shield for more strategy. ppl always say the shield block is useless but i think its great vr archers. When they charge up for that shot that takes 5 min to shoot im pretty sure any1 with good fingers can click a button n set the shield up. Which not only lessens the defense but adds a lil block ratio. Another strategy


now for the buffs, (if your going to stick with ice) ill tell you what u MUST get first and what is optional and tell u what u can use em for

MUST GET

COLD FORCE SERIES you must get obviously, whenever u do a skill/attack always mix it with this imbue

FROST GAURD SERIES is a must get itll give u a big chunk of defence in higher lvls.

COLD ARMOR SERIES is a must itll seem little in the begginnig but it will eventualy stack up

OPTIONAL

FROST NOVA SERIES well this move i only got it first cuz it looked cool XD
but the 2nd book i think will be helpful when u grind mobs aoe slow/freeze u can mob gettn hit less cuz every1 around u is slowed for sure and 50% theyll be frozen

SNOW STORM SERIES imma get the 2nd book for sure cuz it looks super cool XD i dont mind if it does uber dmg like a pure int but its a aoe atk.
but its good for grindn mobs cuz not only does it do dmg but it can slow/freeze em in the same time. and it migth come in helpful in trades 4-5 tigers attkn ur camel jus do the nuke and bam im pretty sure when ur lvl 50 itll hit more than 1k on tigers.

COLD WAVE ATTACK SERIES this is the only move i think is useless except if they ran out of pills n started to run away but thats y i have frost nova or snow storm or a blade range atk mixed with ice to hit/slow/freeze

and i have my lightning at lvl 20 atm for the speed run (tinkn to get it to 32) for the teleport it might help alot in pvp.

i also have force at 23, i just have it because im in a guild and its good for trade runs n thefing in a team. im going to keep levling this with xtra sp i have so i can res higher lvls when i grow to a higher lvl lol but getttn another mastery instead of this will benefit u more so yeahh

hey since ur lvl 43 and ur a 2 str 1 int hybrid can u tell me which skills u use in pvp? and do u have any of the ice nukes? if you do can u tell me the dmg ur ice nuke does? my suggestion for you since ur lvl 43 is that
using chains might not be a good idea in pvp but itll do great for grinding.
because since u can alrdy have 2 knockdown skills u can use 1 and if they dont flip use the other n if they still dont flip the reload time will be ready. If you do have the two knockdown skills it wud do alot better than a chainm because it can cancel there attack unliek when u chain u can dmg n slow them in the same time but its jus that they atk slower. Maybe a knockdown blader will might as well be the best build in this game right now of course thats if there next to the person. Well my suggestion to you is what do u want to be a chain blader or a knockdown blader. a knockdown blader of course is the better choice and adding the rest of ur stat points to str now wudnt be a bad idea its more safer and reasonable than putting it into int. and changing to fire might be better for a knockdown blader because it doesnt atk as fast as chains do. but it will be an ass to get it to 43 so ice would do for now jus get a blade thats+ and super high critical to replace that.

But as for me i will stay as a 2 str 1 int hybriid to test out the build, ill probly need to add sum other forces in if i want the int to be put into use.

well its your call if u wanna add the rest of ur stat points to str or stay teh way u are but most likely its whoever has the best strategy that wins, and a great build can also help u win of course. jus play ur style, whatever
u think is the best n funnest for yah.

well ... first i have to tell u, after looking at you screens, that my build is a bit more str based with a little less mp´s than yours. therefore your nukes will be a bit more powerful than mine.
since early lvls i have skilled snow storm iceshot and wolf´s thundeblolt ... both still on lvl 1. well ... mainly i added wolf´s thunderbolt, cause i wanted to have a good shot for trades, what made me able to kill 3 of those annoying tigers at one time. anyway ... i still have to figure out if they are really useful in pvp ... well i know snow storm ice shot really isn´t, maybe a little useful for archers, who try to run away to keep distance. the thunderbolt is stronger, but not that strong for me atm, cause it´s still on lvl 1. well, in this case i can only say that there was someone who told me that thunderbolt is going to be very good nuke for a hybrid if it is skilled out maxed.
even if i am on a higher lvl the u, you see, my nukes are still at a low level and this way i cant really give some advices i made by experience.
but the reason why im sp farming atm, although i dont really need much for my ice and weapon masterys is, i´m planning to keep on skilling my lighning tree also, cause i wanna have a good speed and maybe i´m going to put some more sp on thunderbolt, cause in a way i suggest that this is gonna be strong later on. the snow storm ice shot .. humm ... i´m quiet unsure about this one. maybe i´ll keep it on the level it is, cause in my oppinion its not usesul for a good damage but useful to slower down enemys in far range.

to the weapon skills i use in pvp : okay, i haven´t skilled the second book of the hidden blade series yet, cause as i said, i´m still on sp farming a bit. therefore i mainly use the chains in pvp atm and i think they´re great in giving fast damage in a short time and slowing the enemy down often. but ... i had fights with players who got this second knockdown already and i can tell u ... WOW ... it´s awesome, althoug i think it´s not best way to concentrate only on this knockdowns, cause if they fail, it works really good to react with a chain attack. well ... i think the best way is still to combine chains with knockdowns and now the question comes, if it´s good to use both knokdowns in a fight, cause i think, once you got the second one you wont like to use the first one anymore, cause there is really a big difference.

i hope i kinda answered your questions with this ... if there are some more, let me know !

well it wont be a much of difference if u max out the first knockdown and have the second on 1 since u jus got it. i really think it would be better for u to use to knockdowns but tahts if u want to be good at pvp now or u can just get it later if ur sp farming.



well thats y u have 2 if 1 fails use the other as they cooldown n jus go on n on n on and u will be able to stab twice since u have 2 stabs. but chains will be okay if its a long fight chain him down with fast ice attacks and when u see a couple criticals get in switch to knockdowns n hope for sum criticals in those.



does ur snake sword dance with imbue do same dmg as ur light nuke?
yeah i dont know about using nukes in a pot fight since it wont atk fast enough and hard enough but in a no pots itll be good. but the lightning nuke will come in useful for big trades n tehfing because when 3-5 theifs spawn when u theif sum1 u can use light nuke and hit all 3 so theyll atk u instead of camal and u can tank em out easily after that.

yeah my percentage on my guy is like 50% magic n 88% phys. maybe because i have int and str +

and in pvp i dont think this build will be as good as a pure str performance wise but if you pplay your character smart you can beat any build and thats because hybrids are more versitile.

em ...
maybe you didn´t know ... but to be able to add the second knockdown, you just need to get the first one on lvl 1. well and this way i really suggest that the second knockdown on lvl 1 will be much stronger than the first on lvl 1.

well anyway it could be interesting you have a pvp just on the base of knockdowns ... could work ... never tried !

to the thunderbolt. i skilled that thing before i could think about adding the snake sword dance. and when i was able to, i decided to leave this one, cause i got my thunderbolt already to attack a certain number on enemys and for pvp i think, it´s completely useless !

yeh i kno that but u can also max the first book and itll be close to the dmg of the second book i think.



i heard and seen that high lvl bladers mainly use knckdowns to pvp because it cancels there atk and they cant hit u and u can atk them on the ground and it gives u time to pot bak up all in the same time lol so yeah but still use chains to grind though

well ... maybe another question :

what do you think about the smash series skills in pvp ? i know they are kinda slow, but they do good damage ! especially the first book is well to combine with the chains ... but what i thougth is maybe that the knockdown skills make them to be kinda useless ...
would like to get your oppinion in this case

yeah knockdown does kind of make it uselss cuz 2nd book of smash series hits a lil harder than 1st book of knockdown. but knockdown u can flip which makes it the whole lot better. so it wudnt be good to use the smashing series in pvp.

actually i think it would be better to pump everyth in str from now on because i think this build wont do any good later on beause the main skills a blader will be using is knockdowns. but if u still want to be a hybid u can pump int and be a 1:1 hybrid in like a couple lvls but maybe jus pump the rest to str. but if u want u can stick with ur build n c how it goes later on