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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:03 pm 
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mountain shield is good right that it adds 10% blocking ratio?
for the 3rd skill of the shield series it has 45% absorption. is it decent enough to absorb high dmging skills?


Basically, think about it.... what does this skill really let you do? This is what it does, you stand guard while draining your mp and adds 10% blocking ratio.... while in the mean time you are completely impaired from attacking


ah ic i didnt know you will only be standing while the mountain skill is used. but how bout the 3rd book? 45% absorption? any idea on this one?


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uhmm... it might come in usefull if somebody is doing a really hard hitting attack on you, like soul-spear truth or a nuke, but other than that it would be pretty much useless because you cant attack...if you were really skilled i guess that you could put it on, they attack, put it off and attack, then put it on again before they attack again but,... that not only consumes more mp that its worth, it would be a huge pain in the as*. My advise: dont get it. :wink:


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I wonder how fast you can toggle ice wall / fire wall / mountain shield on and off? Or, for that matter, switch to shield to block a nuke or soul spear, then back to your killing weapon?

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well i think going str-blade/fire/ice is good becuase
Blade = Block from shield fast attacks
Fire = Ups the damage and burn in
Ice = Nova so I freeze them anyways instead of using ice attacks to do so, the only problem is if I want force skills, ill need to SP farm like crazy, so maybe I wont get them

what armor should I be using? I've been using armor up till now


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so you suggest me getting lightning skills also? (will i be able to do that?) and if so, which ones since you cant use 2 imbues at a time, just the buffs and grasswalk?




i think u shud jus go ice/lightning and get force up to 17, n i kno u cant use 2 imbues at the same times. for lightning get all the buffs n grasswalk those r nice and always mix Any atack with the ice imbue for example get lionshock and mix it with cold imbue so it can do dmg,slow/freeze them
which is a good combo when ur pvping when u start cuz its ranged. so ReMEMBEr if ur going the ice route MIX ALL ur atacks with the cold imbue even the lightning atacks.

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Me, i would rather go the fire route... as a pure str, you will have massive hps as it is so why not add some nice damage output onto that rather than just fortifying your defense further? Another way to look at it, with ice, you will do considerable less damage than fire, but survive longer. But with the damage output you gain with fire, you will be able to kill it without taking as much damage and will be able to use potions to regain what uve lost. With ice however, there are no pots to make you kill faster.... only to heal/cure your hp/mp, meaning you will both be wasting more pots and more of your time. I tried explaining it the best i could, sorry if its hard to understand.



now the next thing what this fire doode said, 1 i dont SEe the MAssive atk difference Between ice n fire for lvl 10-20 its probly about at the most 30-50 difference dmg, n yes u might think thats alot but think about it would like to get 1 hit in that does a tit more dmg or 2 hits in while they only get 1 hit on u because there slowed or even better frozen and since is the wpn that attacks the fastest y not use that to ur advantage
more attacks=more chances to get frozen and i think 2 hits with cold imbue should do way more dmg than 1 hit with fire imbue, n im not sayn fire is better im jus sayn ice is good when u use it right

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actually, since i changed form fire to ice, i haven't used NEARLY as many pots. why would i need to if the enemy is frozen or slowed and can't attack?

second, i've said it before and i'll say it again..... i have not noticed the huge damage difference everyone's talking about. i've pvp'd fire users and won. yea, maybe they had a crappy build, but maybe they didn't, i have no idea.

the point is, you will NOT be gimped if you use ice, no matter what some people may try to tell you. i like my build 10x better than it was, so there's no way i would switch. just my opinion....


now i like what geobot is sayn , he experimented !! when ppl didnt know how to use ice and saw ppl there levels hit 20-30 more than them they get discouraged and think there character is weak but remember ur gettn more hits on them and gettn hit less since there slowed or frozen. some ppl in this forums read tose super high level ppl talkn n think yeah thats the best way to go fire all the way..but i really think ice is the best imbue but i may be wrong because lets say u get to the higher levels maybe fire can 1 hit kill othere ppl in pvp idk cuz im not in that lvl yet>< but for now i kno that ice owns butt. now to say what i alrdy said again so i can get it clear would u rather slow/freeze them in pvp so that you can get 2-3 hits in at the time they only get 1 hit in???hmm its pretty simple of course ice will hit weaker but itll get more hits in which i think is more effective :) and i think ice goes best with sword because of the speed of attacking the sword gives whihc gives more chances to slow/freeze them..


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o n 1 more thing i dont think u needa do major sp farming to be blade/cold/lightning jus keep ur skill masteries like 2-3 levels behind ur level and wait till u get to lvl 19 when u get the kockdown skills that OWNS
1.) HITS SUPErgood for a blader 2) IT DISTRACts them by kocking em down hopefully :) 50% chance of that and if not n u remembered to mix it with cold imbue and u dont get to kock em down they will be a chance to slow em or freeze them 3) it gives u another free BIG hit in CUZ u can stab em while there down which is Another sweet DMg n again another chance to freeze/slow lol weeee how i love ice


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Bakemaster wrote:
I wonder how fast you can toggle ice wall / fire wall / mountain shield on and off? Or, for that matter, switch to shield to block a nuke or soul spear, then back to your killing weapon?


Well, the thing is each wall takes around 2-3 seconds or more to actually use. During that time, if u're battling another blade or sword or nuker u'll probably die in the time it takes for u to turn on, turn off, and attack. Thus, walls are only useful for nukers and archers. Switching to shield also takes a couple seconds and you can't actually guarantee it will block the nuke or soul spear, so again, not very helpful unless ur build already involves shields.

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But with the damage output you gain with fire, you will be able to kill it without taking as much damage and will be able to use potions to regain what uve lost. With ice however, there are no pots to make you kill faster.... only to heal/cure your hp/mp, meaning you will both be wasting more pots and more of your time. I tried explaining it the best i could, sorry if its hard to understand.


actually, since i changed form fire to ice, i haven't used NEARLY as many pots. why would i need to if the enemy is frozen or slowed and can't attack?

second, i've said it before and i'll say it again..... i have not noticed the huge damage difference everyone's talking about. i've pvp'd fire users and won. yea, maybe they had a crappy build, but maybe they didn't, i have no idea.

the point is, you will NOT be gimped if you use ice, no matter what some people may try to tell you. i like my build 10x better than it was, so there's no way i would switch. just my opinion....


I, in no way put down the ice/blade build dude. I was simply stating the uses of both and that ice makes for a better tank and fire is for better damage output. And to answer ur question.. yes fire does better damage, with a better % and also you are forgetting about burn. And the reasoning behind me saying pots will be used, is because at higher levels things will have a lot more hp.. so you probly need to use more abilities with ice due to lower damage output. More abilities = more potions. Lol my posts were'nt intended to put down ice, i was simply answering the questions he had asked.

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k, well it was really the first sentence that i disagree with most, the "be able to kill it without taking as much damage", because that's as far from the truth as it gets, IMO


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mm ima go with fire/ice blade for now, my friend has an ice character pretty high, so when i get mine up their ill see which one i like better 8)

what armor should i use again?


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i use protector, but it's a bit of personal preference really. i was going to go with armor, but i just couldn't STAND running that slow, and the extra bit of magic defense doesn't hurt.


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what are the differences?


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armor gives the best physical defense, but the worst magical defense.

protector gives a balanced mix of physical and magical defense. it also gives a 10% bonus to running speed, and a 10% MP use reduction

garment gives better magical defense, but less physical defense. it also gives a 20% running speed bonus, and a 20% MP use reduction.


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dont waste your time on healing skills.... you are a tank - what the f$#k are you gonna need heal for? buypots like the rest of us, put them on auto-pot and have a good time


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Ok, so no heal skills then...

If i get extra Skill Points, where should i put them?

These are my basics:

Blade Skills
Mastery as high as possible
Chain Skills
Blade Force Skills
Boom/Bud Blade Skills
Shield Protection

Cold Skills
Mastery level 30
Frost Nova
Cold Armor (3 levels max)

Fire Skills
Mastery as high as possible
Force Skills
Flame Body Skills
Fire Shield
Flame Devil

With these, I don't think its too huge of Skill Point need right? So I wont need to farm that much? maybe just 5-15k?

If I got more, I was thinking maybe grasswalk? But that alone would require a LOT of SP

If that is to much (is it?) I was thinking to just get more passive cold and/or the Soul Cut Series so I can throw my weapon at ranged attackers?


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I actually enjoy having my heal skills, I use the auto pots but if I get swarmed they dont always work fast enough, but if I drop in some force heals i can live long enough to do something.

Just thought id stick up for us little healers out there :D :wink:

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yeah auto-pot is great but i really use medical hand to put down costs and not waste pots i might need for later


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