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Look up a few posts, there's a good fact how you can avoid getting frozen with some equipment + skills.

Once again, YOU ARE COMMITTING A LOGICAL FALLACY.

GO EDUCATE YOURSELF.



Your level is insufficient justification for your argument. We need to see something more. Cite your sources, give examples, post numbers and where you got them, etc.

I'm beginning to think you're a troll. :P

and im begining to think you WANT the people of this forum to end up with a shit build and not be able to level. why else would you argue with builds that have been tested, and proven to work.

and about your FALLACY bs, does it look like i care weather or not you think im an expert on the subject of online builds? i never claimed to be. only thing i claims is that i KNOW what the experts themselves use, and therefore have gathered enoff knowledge to help the low levels out.



LOL. el oh el.

people argued that hybrid is worth a damn? wow, your right. alot of idiots here who are so convinced there character will work they they refuse to change to something thats been tried and tested and proven to work.



my sorces are from korean forums and the fact that i myself played korean version and own a level 44 bow/fire pure str. when sro was down for 2 weeks, i got bored and hopped on there.

if you want to see for yourself weather or not im telling the truth, hop on a korean forum, get a translator, and start stranslating post by post. or learn korean.


the main whining in korea comes from 1 issues: "my int char dies too fast" or "my str char does not do enoff damage"

so really, how do you expect to do damage at high levels with a str char is you are useing a weaker imbune?

an for int, how do you expect to do damage if you use lighting nuke over fire nuke? the fire nuke outdamages the lighting one.

now, when i go and point this out to the low levels here, all i get it flames. why?

you are eather too dumb to understand the basic facts.

or

you are selfish and want ppl to stay low level so you can have the scene to yourself.

or are you one of those people who has an ice char and is trhing to defend it, even tho you see 1st hand that it sucks.

infact, id love to know what your build is. lets see how much of a hipocrit you really are...



map did not work for me. anyways, right now in korean sro at this very moment the level cap is 90.

you can go into the taklamaken. you can go into west asia. you can fight lord tarken and sytan.

people are already closing in on that level cap. they will need to raise it sooner or later.

tell me, what proff did anyone have that level 60 cap will move? because they posted it. but why does everyone assume its going to level 80? becuase its like that on korea sro.

so whats stoping you from believing that it will go higher? nothing. it will go higher. in the help files there are ss's of level 150 guys.

did u see the roc spawn outside of dw on xian when it was hacked? roc is planned to be the level 100 boss. where will be he? roc island. how do i know? it says so in game on the air balloon npcs. they tell you they will take you to roc island. in korean sro they take you to west asia also.

so therefor, in korea you have: level 90 cap, level 90 areas, and an npc that gives hints of a level 100 area.

in english sro we have: level 60 cap, planed rise to 80, rise to 90 as in korea, level 100 boss hacked and spawned, npc hints of a level 100 area.

on the sro site, they name a few areas that will be leverl 100+. heaven was one of these areas.

need more proff?



in my guild we have a level 57 nuker, level 54 nuker, and a level 47 nuker. everyone else is pure str and we have more then 12 50+ members.

same thing goes for the rest of the guilds in my alliance: xlaw, muketsu, god, deranged, meaculpa.

on the other servers which are newer it might be different since int does level faster so they might be the highest as of right now. but once the ints begin to die off, the str users will take there place in no time. happened on xian. all the nukers began to quit cuz they die alot.

hi guys, i'ma a noob, i am an INT ICE BOW... i think i screwd up...

what is the best sollution for me? going nuke? and what is the nuke build?

since i wont survive with normal ice and bow attacks..

i'am level 20, 53 str, 82 int, skills i use bow, ice, lightning, and force... ice is my main, lighit for grass walk, force for ressurect...

so can some high level players point out soemthing to help me, cause i feel like i'am doing everyhting wrong.. and want to quiit..

please... thank you

id tell you to make a new char, pump all int, and get a duel nuker.

use fire and lighting for there nukes. get your spear mastery to 20 and leave it there, while working on your fire nuke and lighting nuke.

as for your build ur currently useing, it seems the only thing you can do it make it into a healer or drop it. and if u go into a healer, make sure youhave a guild to support you or you wont her far. i have a pure healer in my guild and everyone wants a share of him. :p

but ... SP farm is really really annoying i dont want to do it again...

and all the quest are a pain in the butt....

i think i rather stay where i am...

or can i just go all str now..

so in the end... i will be a 2:1 str int ratio ...

i need more suggestions... i mean.. i can still be a nuker.. i onlu have 53 str...

I'm going STR/Blade/Fire. Assumming masterys will go up to 100, thats 200 in Blade and Fire already. I have 10 Bow (for attack rating passive) and 12 Lightning (for grasswalk). That leaves me 78 Masterys for anything else, but I really dont know where to plan on putting the rest of the masterys. Any suggestions?

So you definitely recommend STR and Fire for an archer, but retain the lightning skills for speed?

Biggie, First off, I didn't flame for crap, just pointed out your idiocy.

One you have no tact. You came in here saying, I'm high level, this is the way I've seen others do it so it MUST BE THE NEW BIBLE!

I'll say this first off. YOU are the only person to have ever mentioned a level 150 cap. No where on the official site or boards do I see anything to that.

Second I WILL back up my claims here and now.

Every MMO released to date has had a CHARACTER WIPE when transistioning from beta to live. Only one game is going to change that somewhat with Dark and Light. There still will be a character wipe but family relics and stats from beta players will be passed down. Building a character for RELEASE while playing BETA is stupid, moronic, and idiotic. When that time frame comes then you build a character for the circumstances. If you do not know that, go back to learning how to play video games.

Second, MMO's are constantly changing. Nothing is ever set in stone. When MAJOR changes are implemented there is a ripple effect. For example, in EVERY SINGLE GAME RELEASED TO DATE FOR AN MMO... and I'll cite sources: EQ< AO, AC, UO, CoH, CoV, so on and so forth... when the level cap is raised, everything is compenstated for that raised cap. There WILL be new masteries, skills, and levels.

Seriously, as of now, My 4 mastery build > Yours. Even taking into consideration level 90 as a max level. Don't build for a future that may never come. If it DOES, then re-roll. It won't be that hard and you'll have tons of cash, items and the experience needed to race back up to the top in no time at all.

We weren't completely disagreeing with you, just your poor tact and broad statements for which you have ZERO support to make your claims on. You said ice sucks because 1) you don't have it, and 2) because not many other characters have it and 3) because it dishes out less damage then fire. Well.. in PvP ice may not be as useful as other imbues BUT it has a place in leveling a character FASTER in low levels when the difference in damage between imbues is negligible. I've pointed out EXACTLY how ice with my bow user is >>>> then fire or lightning as of right now. I've pointed out how lightning imbue as a spear or glaive user is >>> then fire for leveling. You've just pointed out fire is better for 1 on 1 pvp. With that I agree and there you make sense. Everywhere else, you make flames and nonsense.

from experience. with str blade ice you can't kill shit ^^ & you don't die either.iether run outta pots and pills..& i actually had my armor go to 1 durability before. only started from 20 dura or so though..but sitll.

that is all

this is off topic but i have a feeling they might not go above 100.. there might be a few 100+ monsters that the 100's can kill but not 150.

i want to make the point that just because people are rapidly closing in on the gap doesn't mean they game developers are going to raise the cap.

this is a map i thought about when i was thinking if it could be raised to 150:

ROME
[1-20]
[21-40]
[40-60]
[60+ (to 100 or wahtever)]
[40-60]
[21-40]
[1-20 monsters]
ISLAM ============= heaven somewhere with 100-105ish monsters.
[1-20]
[21-40]
[40-60]
[60+ (to 100 or wahtever)
[40-60]
[21-40]
[1-20 monsters]
China

(istuck heaven somehwere random)

all 3 places will be eligible for people to start in. meaning there will probably be the same set-up for the other places. considering how long it takes to make a trade run from jang'an to hotan.. add half an hour to that, and multiply it by 4.. ~4-5hours for a run from jang'an to rome??

Biggie, I have some reading assignments for you. Let's start with something simple: A definition of "opinion".

Secondly, my build has no relevance here. I'm not even arguing that ice or fire is more or less powerful in PvP (1v1, or group PvP, or whatever), I'm asking for a logical explanation for your opinion. You obviously are incapable of providing one.



This is yet another logical fallacy, called argumentum ad hominem. You are in no position to lecture me about logic.

Your behavior here is indicative of a troll. In fact, this section fits you perfectly! "Opinionated statements: Posting messages expressing their own opinions as generally accepted facts without offering any proof or analysis." Full text available here.

I asked for reasons behind your statement that "fire is the 'best' and ice is 'useless'", and you have yet to offer any logical explanation. If / when you do, I'll be glad to read an analyze it, but you have offered nothing up to this point (aside from what can be discerned from looking at the skill list with a level 1 character). As kagenutto pointed out, you have made a point for a specific circumstance of fire being superior to ice in 1v1 PvP, with specific gear and other assumptions. This is far too circumstantial to be considering the "best". It may be the "best" in certain circumstances. (Blanket statements, as addressed by kagenutto above.)

There have been numerous counter-arguments to your suggestion that ice is useless and that fire is the best (Kagenutto has detailed cases in which lightning offers superior AOE capacity, and if anyone seemed to care I'd gladly detail some of the benefits of ice and lightning in group PvP), and you have responded to them only with flames and fallacies.

Kagenutto has also asked you for logical explanations regarding your "theory" of the level cap being raised to 150. You say:


Nowhere do you mention any mobs that are over level 100 (much less anywhere near 150), except as speculation. You have offered no proof to support your theory. Perhaps your misunderstanding of the definition of proof is related to your misunderstanding of logic? Article on unwarranted extrapolation.



Show me.

I'll even give you an example of a suitable explanation: See this thread. Or you can simply take a look at any of kagenutto's posts.

You can also take a look at the dozens of articles on Wikipedia which cite thier sources.



I was thinking of that earlier today as well, and considering that the primary emphasis of Silkroad is on trading, the above model makes much more sense than having an ever-increasing scale of mobs. This game isn't about PvE or dungeons, it's about trading, hunting, and thieving, and if you keep raising the level cap indefinitely, you'll never have the PvP system balance out.

If you contrast this with Maple Story, in which the primary (only?) emphasis is PvE, the level cap is more or less raised indefinitely. If you never have opponents at the max level in a PvP system then your PvP system will fail. Guild Wars' character system is built with this concept in mind, and the max level is 20, appropropriately.

Wow this is getting CRAZY! Too bad that I don't have time to waste reading all of those arguments.

Lol sry you needed Flash Player 8.0 to view the map. Anyway yes I know you can prevent yourself from getting frozen, but tell me, WHO THE HELL SPAMS UNIVERSAL PILLS??? It would take a rich idiot to do so. And besides you can't just keep using them. What if you get frostbitten just after you used it? You still slow down for at least one second before you can use the pills again, but you'll be wasting money. Eventually, yes, I know fire will hit more, but the difference still isn't that great.

Go check Fire force-Poison or something or the final book of fire charge up and check the final book of ice charge up! They're almost the same! Yet frost can slow the enemy down, even it it's just for one second. Hey, 1 second still makes a difference you know! It's enough for you to be able to make another hit.

Anyway, I'm amazed how so many people posted in this... just like the post I was arguing in, people are responding to this post really quick... but even more people are arguing in this one. I had Moogie and Demarthl and Geobot and many people trying to tell me to shut up about being pure and all that...

Anyway, lightning imbue sucks and I know that, unless you're cornered. Ice and fire both have advantages. Lightning is mainly powering up. Grass walk for speed, Concentration for dodge, Must Piercing Force or whatever for attack, and the passive skill for dodge, and of course, there's a super nuke, wolf's thunderbolt. That's basically most of lightning's advantages.

lol. im gonna stop posting in thie useless thread now. I got my point across and iv been geting 5 or 6 pms a day by people asking for help with there builds. people have taken notice and are taking th right step in the right direction.

therefor, the guy who argues with logic here can go crawl back to where he came from. i will help the low levels, and he can go be selfish somewhere else.



i never gave my opinion. I gave facts. if you dont like them, go cry me a river.

Are you still going to make a guide with builds? Or could you please atleast pm me how to build a Blade/Fire/STR?

And strike_freedeom seriously if you can't read, please don't post. Pills cost almost nothing and good luck freezing a player who is wearing 15% rings, fire shield and other equipment/skills.

I'm sorry but any cold attack just destroys fire. Because with cold attacks the enemy doesn't get a chance to attack. Hes in a solid block of ice. Fire justs burns.

Haha you're so wrong.

flakangroo, read the thread. biggie ( fly ) explains how ice can be thrown away, you will need some neat stuff though

the guide i was gonna write is all writen down on a pice of paper, but im so busy with leveling i am being too lazy to type it up. maybe ill scan it and have a friend type it or something.

nvm, ill type is up tonight.

i'll be looking forward to this fly.

Me too

Pills cost almost nothing? I know that. One costs almost nothing. But 150? more than 20k. If you keep fighting so many ice people, you won't even have enough because not really alot of people would want to waste 3 slots for universal pills. Believe me, in Troy many people don't even have 1mil

And by the way, do YOU know how to read? I thought I said that you can't keep using universal pills because you have to wait for awhile before you can use it again. What if you just used it and you get frozen? And where do you get all the rings and necklaces and all that with frost hour down? And what if you're a glavie/ spear user? You won't have that status error effect thing. Ok if you're a blade/ sword user but glavie/ spear users don't have that edge.

I'm not disputing you fully, Biggie, I'm just disagreeing with you that Cold is useless. I fully agree that hybrids suck the most, but I just think it's up to you which force you want to use, based on what kind of opponent you face, you may have the edge, or your opponent may have the edge. If you have lots of universal pills with you all the time, lucky you. If you don't, too bad. Lucky for some, unlucky for others. If you spam universal pills, you'll run out eventually, especially if you're getting frosted so often, unless you brought like 200 with you but that's taking up one whole line(4 slots). A complete waste of inventory space.

On the other hand, if you do bring lots of pills, and you kill really quick, then lucky for you, you beat cold. There's always this chance of people getting so paranoid about frost. The moment they get frosted, they go OMG and then they get so nervous and everything that they don't know what they're doing and instead of taking universal pills, they drink potions, if they're low on health they drink mana pots instead of hp pots.

Don't laugh, people like that do exist.

ok i finished a short version of the guide.

http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=14308#14308

I will go back and edit it later to include all the stuff about pills, PvP tips, status reduce rings, and all the other good stuff that makes people woop ass. :p

enjoy.

I am having trouble with STR+FIRE

Because my masteries are four behind. Each level of weapon and fire mastery give you +% damage. Not to mention, my imbue, spirit bow, devil bow, and power ups are a couple levels behind as well.

So I am weak.

I am only hoping that, since my masteries are 4 behind, the game will give me enough SP to catch up



I also need new bow I was hoping for a 38 SOS but I cant find for value.

Make my dreams come true =(

well if ur pure str fire bow, you need to get your bow skills up as high as they can get, and the same for ur fire imbue.

let all ur buffs slide, until your bow skills are good enoff.

keep maxing out anti-devil bow and w/e ur secondary bow attack it.

Is having a highest possible level of Imbue worth it for a STR character? Won't the high mana usage and low damage return (due to <50% magical balance) make it inefficient? And also increase mana pot requirements? Please explain

pvp me biggie =)

The level of the status effect also increases with the level of imbue. If you want to burn or freeze someone at high levels you need a strong skill to have any chance of overpowering their equipment/skills/UP.