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OK the guy saying that fire is better than ice, your wrong and right depends the way you use the moves and ur sayin fire does 1200 dmg and ice does barely 500 dmg, your talking out of your ass because at book 4 fire and book 4 ice (lvl63) fire only does just less then 100 dmg more but cz u have that % thing it adds bout 15% which is 1/20 of ur dmg lets says 500+100 = 600/15 = 640 dmg compared to 500 dmg from ice. but now ur sayin autopill cancles the frost bittem and freeze straight away. first u need 2 - 3 pills for both frostbite and freeze (2 effects) and it takes bout 1 sec to defreeze and froste bite, by den i cud of started another combo or KD, and wen ur frze for dem few secs and i use the 2 linked combos agen ur frostbite twice and maybe froze, ice is constant cz of the combos, and wen ur frost bite and froze ur imbue still goes down as normal time no slower so ur imbue will run out faster which means sum of ur combo will be normal hits which is alot weaker and also wen u defreeze and de frostbite(if dats a word) you will still be slowed down for bout 1 sec because it just does dat for some odd reason, but fire also can beat ice, i'm not sayin ice blade owns all but its a really strong 1 on 1 PVP build and has won the korean PVP tourney more times den any other builds but we dnt know in future till the final beta comes out. so don't go off saying ur build is the best if u not tryed other builds before and not done ur research.

correction *1/15 of ur dmg and forgot to say it also depends on what equipment you have, if u have sos blade fire and other guy has sosun ice ice wud clearly win and depends the blok on ur shield and type of armour ur wearing, fire doesnt always beat ice, i say its a pot fight cz them fights last bout 10mins depending how many pots u have but in PVP people rather just die and lose not EXP den waste pots, u only pot in Hunter and Thief fights usually but up to u. or if u run out of pills because if u have alot of pills means u have less mp or hp pots which means u either scarifice mp or hp, if u run of of mp you'll certainly lose cz ur full str so u'll have problems using ur moves and imbue, if u sacrifice ur hp pots means dat u wont last as long, but them again the fire has extra burn which ice also needs pills but the burn isnt dat high dmg so i nvr worry too much about that, but i rather freeze or slow sum1 down den burn sum because if u slow sum1 down or freeze dem this means u can use more skills in a the same amount of time which means it will do more dmg then dat burn thingy, but again i'm not tryin to argue with you but i just cba writing out y fire will win but out of all fire and ice full str blade fights ice usually ends up winning after a few hours or 1 just runs off =P.

sorry to post another reply but also depends on whos luckier on crit and KD.

Seriously are you people even reading what I'm saying?! I'm not saying cold sucks! Okay? "Actually, I DO know something. Just looking at the damage of the skill and actually using the skill and experimenting with it in PVE and PVP are two totally different things." Exactly and I'm saying cold is a lot more usefull in PvE than in PvP. I gave it's strengths and weaknesses and you people had a shitfit.. And compairing sex to video games is a horrible example, I'm not physically doing anything in a video game, it's either you know what you're talking about or you don't. And that's really dumb to say you'd like to hear my oppinions about this, what do you think I've been doing? Hitting the keyboard trying to make you angry? Lol....dude do you even read what you type? Again I go back to what I said in another post, what about child prodigies? Lol just because they aren't in the 12th grade means a real 12th grader is smarter? How do you think Fly or Nightbloom got to where they are, experimenting sure, but I know Fly has read A LOT on these things. But do you think he got to level 60+ without reading anything? You can't get any experience if you don't have the knowledge to get there..

I'm talking out my ass? Ha! dude you're treating cold like it's going to inflict it's status effect every hit, okay NO! Or saying thing's like "So don't go off saying ur build is the best" I've never said that, yeah I'm "speaking out my ass" and you're making things up that have never been said. Good job! "it just does dat for some odd reason" Here's a great example of stupidity, you're trying to make a point and you're confused about it, again, good job. I've done plenty of research and I've made plenty of builds. Why do you think my character levels are so low? I've been experimenting with different builds, if they aren't good I trash it. Right now I'm working on three builds, pure str fire blade/shield pure str fire glaive and pure str COLD bow. So you people think I'm completely biased and I'm not.

Uhm wow. Imagine that a character with better gear winning? Impossible! What planet did you come from?!

I'll respond to this when I wake up in the morning. Hopefully I can be a little more coherent than I am in my current sleep deprived state.

Codezero, I believe at your level, your experience in actual pvp is very minimal, if even existant.

It does not matter how much you think you know about something, until you have actually experienced it yourself you have no place arguing or trying to correct the people who have experience.

I cannot tell you how many people I can't kill because of their cold imbue. The only way I can kill an ice/blader around my level is if my finishing blow isn't prevented by the shield, a knockdown, and the ICE imbue. With a 25% chance of ice imbue freezing or frostbiting someone there's a good chance that something will happen preventing me from killing him. Block Ratio+Knockdown chance= high chance of survivabilty. Block ratio+knockdown chance+ ice imbue= extremely high survivability.

You seem to be missing the purpose of this build, which is to have the best survivaibilty, not trying to killl someone in x hits.

Like cuchulain it's late as hell and I honestly don't know what I'm doing typing this up because I really hate wasting my time trying to explain things to people like you through forums. So I am stopping now and going to bed, maybe.. tomorrow I will post again.

(My 100th post )

So, in short, i want to be a really good PvPer and so i think i should create a Fulll Str/ Fire / Blader / Sub-Thunder Guy...to replace my current same build but with glaive. This should be fun

wot ur on bout? ur saying ice suks and all that, i didn't say thats wot u said but thats wot u implied ass, and ur the one going off in one saying ice does 500dmg and fire does 1200 dats just talking out of ur ass!

is this guide seriously going to turn into a flame war? i thought maybe there was ONE thread about blades that wouldn't go there, but apparently even sticky status can't prevent it.

icewarrior - calm down man. yes, ice blade is great. i use it myself. there's no need to defend it to people. personally, i don't think he was implying it was horrible in the first place, it was just a misunderstanding.

codezero - well, all i have to say is that cold is useful for pve AND pvp. for solo pvp, it's a very good defensive manuevar, but it DOES lack on offence. that does not, however, mean that it sucks, it's just a different mindset you have to have to overcome the lower offence. trust me, it's very possible to kill using an ice blade, it's just harder. but, you have to agree that in group pvp it's lovely.

but, i agree with cuchulainn on this though: more experience playing the game DOES make a difference than just reading the skill's stats. until you've been to the endgame, you don't really know what it's like, and that's true in any game. you can rely on other's posts to get that information, but everyone is different, and other people's views might or might not match up with your own, no matter how good the post or chart looked.

cuchulainn - thanks again for making the guide. i've done rather in-depth guides for other stuff(non-SRO) in the past, and i appreciate the amount of effort that goes into not only writing it, but also reviewing later posts and replying to each without sounding like a jerk. and of course, that's the main reason i haven't done any kind of SRO guide. i thought about doing a really thick thief guide, but decided i didn't want to deal with all the people nitpicking on one tiny thing they disagree with.

Holy crap...Okay what do you people think I've been saying?!

1. Ice warrior - I never said Ice sucks, and if I ever said anything about skills damage I got it STRAIGHT from the game. If I'm talking out of my ass then so is the game. I'm sure english isn't your first language so I don't expect you to get everything I say so whatever.

2. Geobot - In my last two posts last night I said it's LESS usefull in PvP than it is in PvE. I get cold is a more defencive skill(obviously if all the buffs for it raise defence).

3. Stallowned - Okay so yeah, I can see why you think I don't have a lot of PvP experience because of my signature but I used to have an account on Troy with an COLD blader. It was a pretty decent char, it was my first one I ever made I put 6 points into int but thats not too bad. I know how cold bladers work in PvP. Again you all think I'm biased but I'm not. I've experimented with a lot more different builds than you think.

Now I'm done posting in this sticky unless somebody asks a question. And it's not because I'm not getting my way, or everybody is against me, it's because you people haven't read ANYTHING that I've typed. You think this is a just another flame war this started because people didn't read what I said at first! Like Ice Warrior or Stallowned..dudes do you even know how this started? I mean you all just assume things, you're repeating eachother and in doing so also saying this that I've also said. Like cold is good in PvP and PvE...ughh duh I've said that already, but you wouldn't know because you aren't reading posts...You want to know what started all this? Getting two imbues is a bad idea. Fire is more PvP oriented and cold is more PvE oriented. Now that's not an exact quote obviously but that's the points I was trying to make. Each one will do more damage if you only pick ONE. But no I MUST have said cold sucks so some of you just shit your pants...

And I'd also like to know what you ment by this Stallowned "I really hate wasting my time trying to explain things to people like you through forums."..what the hell is that supposed to mean? People like me with an oppinion? Somebody not getting lisened to? Now I'm done in here, if you still want to talk to me send me a PM, only if you're actually gonna read what I say, if you're just gonna asume every paragraph I type is "Gah cold sucks! Fire good!" Over and over again then I'm just going to delete the messages.

codezero i wasnt even talking about you, i'm talking to culchuain (or something like that) if you read his reply you'll kno y i said all the stuff i did =P sorry i didnt mean to spam the topic but lets end it all depends on equipment and luck and amount of pots they have on who wins in a ice and fire blade fight.

and also codezero what lvl is your cold blader? cz i got 1 on xian lvl 58 but stop using because server was REALLY laggy so now i made 1 on venice, and they work the same way as any other blader and what you mean they better for PVE den PVP, they are better for PVP then PVE cz ice blade lvls the slowest out of all the builds but i think(MY OPINION) it is best for PVP out of all the PVP's i've had with both full int and full str builds wen hunting or doing a 5* trade, and you do kno adding 6 points into int makes quite a big difference cz it lowers ur phy balance by quite a bit so you'll be weaker i'm serious.

I really get confused everyone talk his own thing and everyone goes different ways..
I am using blades. and I am pure str..
can someone pm me your thoughts what would be the BEST PvP build
what levels to have in each etc etc.. cause I'm really lost in the ocean of skills

Thanks
/tra

Yeah, im starting a new character, so whats better in PvP:

1) Pure Strength/ Blade/ Fire/ Thunder

2) Pure Strength/ Blade/ Fire/ Ice

3) Any Other???

Well then pleae give us the build, and level of all your characters. I would be surprised if any were 4x or more. That would be like somebody making a pure int, and stopping in the 2x and saying "nukers suck." And it seems all your characters are low-middle level, and unless you play on Venice, there is no real pvp until you reach at least halfway through the 4x. Fighting newbs in capes or one or two hunters who try killing you as a thief or whatever does not cut it.



Cuchulain is a guildmate and friend of mine on SRO. He told me last night that some dude on SRF was pissing him off on the blade guide. So I told him I woulud check it out later. Basically what he said seems to be right. Your experience in the subject is minimal, and even though your intentions may be good, you have no place saying someone who has experience in the subject is wrong. You can read all the guides you want, analyze and compare every single skill and possible combination of skills, but unless you actually have the experience what you say is not valid. And people like you- people who have no experience yet think they know, and only repeat what they hear, and will not admit to being wrong or having less experience, which you obviously do.

OK ALL CHARS HAVE PROS AND CONS JUST DO THE CHAR YOU LIKE, AND FULL STR BLADE ICE AND FIRE ARE BOUT THE SAME CZ THERE FIGHTS LAST MORE DEN 10MINS AND IT ALL DEPENDS ON EQUIPMENT AND LUCK ON WHO WINS, I SAY THEY ARE EQUAL STREGNTH!

Um...anyone? I kinda need to know soon before i screw up another character...

What ever you do you must have fire buffs, go with what he ^ said and you do fine in PVP

well i would go ice blade because they can take on the most monsters at once out of all the builds and also skill cap is 300 and max lvl gonna be 150 so u will only be able to have 1 force and 1 set of weap mastery, basically ice and fire blade are equal strength, during these fights it all depends on equipment and luck on KD and stab and crits, so picking either 1 is gud, if ur a surviability guy go ice, if wanna do lots of dmg and takes alot of dmg go fire.

Ok, i'm tired of people saygin 150 is gonna be the max level. We don't know what the max level is. Only confirmed up to 90 atm. Besides it will take years to hit 150 so no need to worry about it.

Fire Blade with ice buffs will kill faster and only take slightly more damage than those who use ice imbue.

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Thanks guys, ive heard that this build is the best PvP build around theoretically, is that right?

They all have they're own weaknesses. Most builds are great when used in the right hands but this particular one you can dish out lots of damage and survive quite longer. Although the whole build is pretty much weak compared to a full str/glaive/fire build if you don't have a good shield. Try to get a shield with a BR of 15 or higher and PvP will go great.

Ok to answer your question about the level, it was a level 38. And kudos, you just proved my listening point. Look at my first quote in you last post you'll find out what server it was in. Need I say more? What's the point of argueing something if other people aren't going to listen? And with that I'm done with this, PM me if you want to talk anymore about this because I don't want this to fill with multiple posts because you aren't listening and just cover your ears and eyes and shout.

:edit:
After going to the middle of the second page I found that I already said the characters level.

I'll update when I have all my skills maxed at 55 (sp farming at 64)

It might be a few weeks depending on work and whether i can play during downtime at work.

And I apologize for the lack of updates so far, haven't had time, plus I haven't updated many skills yet since stopped farming.

lol people seem to forget that the main purpose behind a blade is to tank.

STR characters are all about tanking, which is why they are successful in PvP.
Cold adds to the tanking ability.
Fire adds a little more damage.

matter of preference.

better tank or worse tank?
faster "slowest killer in the game" or slowest killer in the game

:X

just some food for thought.

Stallowned! Got something to ask you there...

ARE YOU A BOTTER???

My bro caught you doing the same thing over and over again without change quite some time ago... if you are please stop before you get banned My guild hates botters see...

If not, then sorry about this

Stallowned doesn't bot. He was probably grinding (i tend to use the same attacks over and over again in the exact same order when grinding). Bots use the same attacks in the same order, but there are inconsistencies for them that cause them to start with different attacks on different mobs.

Take this to another topic or PM's because I don't need this shit clogigng up my guide. Thank you.