My Bow build (lvl 64) and story (I own ^^)

Megaman · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 468 **Location:**

liquidsmooth wrote:

Don't worry fadex you are correct. Until he can show proof otherwise, because as of now, nobody any class is stronger than me, except one person vs the 30 or so I dueled but he was rocking pimpin stuff. Specifically just on crits though, i'd like to find out myself. Go ask a local bower on your server between levels 64-65 to crit one and take a ss and post it. I doubt we'll see any on here higher, just watch

*unless there rocking moon/sun*

I've based everything on what i've said around hard evidence posted thoughout the thread.

I think you are missing my point. I'm not saying pure str bow is a better build (because we all know how bow-build arguments go, 23 page threads of flames) I'm saying it was wrong of you to promote your build by saying your crits are high unzerked becuase pure-str bowers will crit higher than you with identical gear

I am 100% correct in this statement.

The SRO critical damage formula goes:

phys. attack power*2= critical damage

Magic attack (which you have more of) has NOTHING to do with critical damage. You will have higher damage normal shots, yes, but your criticals will be poorer.

You, with a lower physical damage than pure str bow builds (with identical gear, of course) will NEVER crit as high or higher than a str-bowers crits. It is technically and logically impossible.

The only reason you 'own so much' is your gear.Go crit mangyangs in npc gear and compare the difference.

[TS]=Hark=[TS] · **Posted:** Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:20 pm

yes ty that is exactly what i was asking... and i think i will get snake cuase im gannna farm at 42 and zerker arrow is just nto enough for farming. i would like to have more then two splash damages but hey.

also manny ppl are saying bow doesnt get any new skills with the update for 90 cap. have you looked at the update thread? we get fire fishing bow, 4th book anti devil, and 4th book autom wind. tho its odd that they stoped at 2books for strong bow

cause thats our strongest move. also it doesnt look like they plan on taking zerker arrow past 3books.

PS: fire fishing arrow (tho not fully translated) seems to me like a bow nuke. it says it folows the enemy no matter how far away they run. and also there is a picture on there of a new bow skills but i cant figure out which one it is showing, fire fishing or autom wind, because it shows two red arrows going of and hitting two different monsters at the same time (not just splash damage but actual two arrows shot at once, or mabey the arrow splits, who knows)

liquidsmooth · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 149

If you wanted to know the build, sorry, Blame De_realist. I wont' be posting in this topic again.

MastaChiefX · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 4526 **Location:** Life.

liquidsmooth wrote:

MegaMan wrote:

liquidsmooth wrote:

Don't worry fadex you are correct. Until he can show proof otherwise, because as of now, nobody any class is stronger than me, except one person vs the 30 or so I dueled but he was rocking pimpin stuff. Specifically just on crits though, i'd like to find out myself. Go ask a local bower on your server between levels 64-65 to crit one and take a ss and post it. I doubt we'll see any on here higher, just watch

*unless there rocking moon/sun*

I've based everything on what i've said around hard evidence posted thoughout the thread.

I think you are missing my point. I'm not saying pure str bow is a better build (because we all know how bow-build arguments go, 23 page threads of flames) I'm saying it was wrong of you to promote your build by saying your crits are high unzerked becuase pure-str bowers will crit higher than you with identical gear

I am 100% correct in this statement.

The SRO critical damage formula goes:

phys. attack power*2= critical damage

Magic attack (which you have more of) has NOTHING to do with critical damage. You will have higher damage normal shots, yes, but your criticals will be poorer.

You, with a lower physical damage than pure str bow builds (with identical gear, of course) will NEVER crit as high or higher than a str-bowers crits. It is technically and logically impossible.

The only reason you 'own so much' is your gear.Go crit mangyangs in npc gear and compare the difference.

No your not. That's exactly what I said in my previous post, what are you trying to argue. I said that you attack it still normally, WHICH INCLUDES YOUR PHY AND MAGIC DMG, but when it crits the str phy dmg of how hard you hit that monster doubles. Exactly what I said and your just repeating it back to me. What you need to do is prove that the 9% phy dmg i'm missing out on can account for the extra 32% magic dmg I have as compared to full str. When you crit something it does not null your magic tard geez. Prove to me what your saying is true

and i'll say 1-5 you cuz of now it's 5-0 me XD

Your wrong.

Crits go like this, phy balance * 2 * phy attack.

A pure str WILL crit more than a hybrid str. No question.

Da_Realest · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2435 **Location:**

Thats not what Liquidsmooth is saying. Everyone knows a pure str critical's harder than any other build. But no one PvP's or PvE without imbue. Liquidsmooth sacrificed 9% str for 32% int. 1% int is about 1.5%( or something like that) stronger than 1% str in terms of damage. Even if you double that 9%, Liquidsmooth's 32% int still will be more than the 18% she gave up. When she crit's with imbue, it may be higher than a pure str's with imbue.....

taintofsleep · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 723 **Location:**

oh dayamn!!!!! this is getting interesting, keep discussing prz. :shock:

Megaman · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 468 **Location:**

MastaChiefX wrote:

Crits go like this, phy balance * 2 * phy attack.

I stand corrected.

MastaChiefX wrote:

A pure str WILL crit more than a hybrid str. No question.

HertogJan · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 1063 **Location:**

I right now on lvl 63 with a 5 gap and 60+5 bow crit mangyans for 25k-26k

SS to proove it:

I will be lvl 64 in 2-3 days. When I get that bow I will post another SS.

Concerning the bugs in the cave, with this bow I need devil arrow, demon arrow. Sometimes combo to finish it. Will post updates on that on lvl 64 also. ^^

kianleong · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 11 **Location:** Singapore

Assume everything is same except one do Full STR build, another do 2:1 STR build.

At level 80 with +57 STR +57 INT :

Full STR has 108% Phy Balance, 44% Mag Balance, HP 18784

2:1 STR has 93% Phy Balance, 67% Mag Balance, HP 15008

Simple Damage calculation :

Full STR :
108% + 1.6 * 44% = 178.4% (Normal)
2 * 108% + 1.6 * 44% = 286.4% (Critical)

2:1 STR :
93% + 1.6 * 67% = 200.2% (Normal)
2 * 93% + 1.6 * 67% = 293.2% (Critical)

Conclusion :

Hybrid STR Bower can do higher maximum damage than Full STR Bower in normal or critical shoot, due to high mag balance.

(Take note that i'm saying 'higher maximum damage')

However, during PK, Full STR has advantage of 20% more HP, they just need to do more critical.

[TS]=Hark=[TS] · **Posted:** Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:37 pm

ok heres my highest crit on a black robber folower... anyone can beat that?

skulldiver · **Posted:** Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:22 pm

whereas you're continuis damage is higher,a full str will just out crit you
test it,buy some full npc gear(8 degree of course :wink:

)and try to crit
and let a pure str try it also(also with full npc set)
he will outdamage you
and the high crits is what wins it for you in battles against other pure str

taintofsleep · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 723 **Location:**

He just proved that crits on hybrid str bower will be stronger though.... didn't you read? And what would be the best phys and mag balance naked to obtain maximum crit?

kianleong · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 11 **Location:** Singapore

Below is the link where i got the info, it's a cool Java tool for Silkroad :

http://bobtheveg.dyndns.org/SRO/Char_Build_Applet/

If people want to compare the critical of two builds in-game, keep in mind that weapon and skill both have their damage RANGE. And maximum will occur just by luck. Recall the Gaussian Curve if you rememberd...

liquidsmooth · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 149

If you wanted to know the build, sorry, Blame De_realist. I wont' be posting in this topic again.

IguanaRampage · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 2483 **Location:** Changing

Hybrid str bow actually isn't bad, but seriously can't we all come to grasps that it is not doubtlessly better than pure str bow? And neither is it worse (well, at least hybrids that are built smartly aren't worse).
Yeah....

liquidsmooth · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 149

If you wanted to know the build, sorry, Blame De_realist. I wont' be posting in this topic again.

cin · **Posted:** Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:34 am

dont laugh hes super serial

Megaman · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 468 **Location:**

liquidsmooth wrote:

kianleong wrote:

Assume everything is same except one do Full STR build, another do 2:1 STR build.

At level 80 with +57 STR +57 INT :

Full STR has 108% Phy Balance, 44% Mag Balance, HP 18784

2:1 STR has 93% Phy Balance, 67% Mag Balance, HP 15008

Simple Damage calculation :

Full STR :
108% + 1.6 * 44% = 178.4% (Normal)
2 * 108% + 1.6 * 44% = 286.4% (Critical)

2:1 STR :
93% + 1.6 * 67% = 200.2% (Normal)
2 * 93% + 1.6 * 67% = 293.2% (Critical)

Conclusion :

Hybrid STR Bower can do higher maximum damage than Full STR Bower in normal or critical shoot, due to high mag balance.

(Take note that i'm saying 'higher maximum damage')

However, during PK, Full STR has advantage of 20% more HP, they just need to do more critical.

lol! I'll stop here.

Megaman, thanks for your GUARANTEE

That critical damage formula is wrong.

phys. balance*2*phys attack = crit, and to find out the phys. attack we'd have to find the base stats of a naked level 80, find the npc level 64 bows phys attack and reinforce values then do lots of calculations to determine the phys. attack and therefore the critical.

Those formulas = fail.

Listen to MastaChiefX. He is win.

Yes, my GUARANTEE is better than when you bizurker those mangouy mosnters.

Da_Realest · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2435 **Location:**

Anyone seen this graph made by Tomiotar?

Looks like the a pure str does critical more. You don't factor in mag balance in the critical formula. It has nothing to do with it.

You can divide your imbue(100%) by your mag balance and add that to your phys. balance*2*phys attack to get your critical when combined with imbue I believe.

kianleong · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 11 **Location:** Singapore

MegaMan wrote:

liquidsmooth wrote:

kianleong wrote:

Assume everything is same except one do Full STR build, another do 2:1 STR build.

At level 80 with +57 STR +57 INT :

Full STR has 108% Phy Balance, 44% Mag Balance, HP 18784

2:1 STR has 93% Phy Balance, 67% Mag Balance, HP 15008

Simple Damage calculation :

Full STR :
108% + 1.6 * 44% = 178.4% (Normal)
2 * 108% + 1.6 * 44% = 286.4% (Critical)

2:1 STR :
93% + 1.6 * 67% = 200.2% (Normal)
2 * 93% + 1.6 * 67% = 293.2% (Critical)

Conclusion :

Hybrid STR Bower can do higher maximum damage than Full STR Bower in normal or critical shoot, due to high mag balance.

(Take note that i'm saying 'higher maximum damage')

However, during PK, Full STR has advantage of 20% more HP, they just need to do more critical.

lol! I'll stop here.

Megaman, thanks for your GUARANTEE

That critical damage formula is wrong.

phys. balance*2*phys attack = crit, and to find out the phys. attack we'd have to find the base stats of a naked level 80, find the npc level 64 bows phys attack and reinforce values then do lots of calculations to determine the phys. attack and therefore the critical.

Those formulas = fail.

Listen to MastaChiefX. He is win.

Yes, my GUARANTEE is better than when you bizurker those mangouy mosnters.

Normal Damage = Physical Damage + Magical Damage

Critical Damage = 2 * Physical Damage + Magical Damage

It's true that Critical only double Phy damage, but the final damage will combine Phy and Mag. So Megaman you don't use any imbue ?

As for Attack Power, Full STR has higher Phy Attack, but Hybrid has higher Mag Attack. And INT = 1.6 * STR when converted into damage ! So I believe my simple calculation is ok.

I see the arguement here is with or without Mag Damage when we talk about Critical. Physical alone, Full STR sure win. Is this the answer you want ?

Megaman · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 468 **Location:**

kianleong wrote:

Normal Damage = Physical Damage + Magical Damage

Critical Damage = 2 * Physical Damage + Magical Damage

Wrong. Critical damage = phys. balance*2*phys. attack, after that is done THEN add in the calculations for the imbue's mag. damage

It's true that Critical only double Phy damage, but the final damage will combine Phy and Mag. So Megaman you don't use any imbue ?

refer to the above formula.

As for Attack Power, Full STR has higher Phy Attack, but Hybrid has higher Mag Attack. And INT = 1.6 * STR when converted into damage ! So I believe my simple calculation is ok.

I don't.

I see the arguement here is with or without Mag Damage when we talk about Critical. Physical alone, Full STR sure win. Is this the answer you want ?

Yes. Refer to the critical formula.

kianleong · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 11 **Location:** Singapore

MegaMan wrote:

kianleong wrote:

Normal Damage = Physical Damage + Magical Damage

Critical Damage = 2 * Physical Damage + Magical Damage

Wrong. Critical damage = phys. balance*2*phys. attack, after that is done THEN add in the calculations for the imbue's mag. damage

It's true that Critical only double Phy damage, but the final damage will combine Phy and Mag. So Megaman you don't use any imbue ?

refer to the above formula.

As for Attack Power, Full STR has higher Phy Attack, but Hybrid has higher Mag Attack. And INT = 1.6 * STR when converted into damage ! So I believe my simple calculation is ok.

I don't.

I see the arguement here is with or without Mag Damage when we talk about Critical. Physical alone, Full STR sure win. Is this the answer you want ?

Yes. Refer to the critical formula.

Since you insists on the term "Critical Damage = 2 * Physical Damage", shall I term the below :

Overall Damage = Physical Damage + Magical Damage

Overall Damage with Critical = Critical Damage + Magical Damage = 2 * Physical Damage + Magical Damage

We are more concern about the Overall Damage, not just Physical Damage.

Megaman · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 468 **Location:**

kianleong wrote:

Since you insists on the term "Critical Damage = 2 * Physical Damage", shall I term the below :

Overall Damage = Physical Damage + Magical Damage

Overall Damage with Critical = Critical Damage + Magical Damage = 2 * Physical Damage + Magical Damage

We are more concern about the Overall Damage, not just Physical Damage.

YOU FORGOT PHYSICAL BALANCE

it is (physical balance*2*physical attack)+magical damage = overall critical damage

kianleong · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 11 **Location:** Singapore

MegaMan wrote:

kianleong wrote:

Since you insists on the term "Critical Damage = 2 * Physical Damage", shall I term the below :

Overall Damage = Physical Damage + Magical Damage

Overall Damage with Critical = Critical Damage + Magical Damage = 2 * Physical Damage + Magical Damage

We are more concern about the Overall Damage, not just Physical Damage.

YOU FORGOT PHYSICAL BALANCE

it is (physical balance*2*physical attack)+magical damage = overall critical damage

I said Physical Damage, and

My Physical Damage = Your Physical Balance * Physical Attack

taintofsleep · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 723 **Location:**

im confused...

Hasbin · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 230 **Location:**

HertogJan wrote:

I right now on lvl 63 with a 5 gap and 60+5 bow crit mangyans for 25k-26k

SS to proove it:

I will be lvl 64 in 2-3 days. When I get that bow I will post another SS.

Concerning the bugs in the cave, with this bow I need devil arrow, demon arrow. Sometimes combo to finish it. Will post updates on that on lvl 64 also. ^^

25k-26k is nothing. Look at my post at the highest dmg contest. I do 21k-22k with a bad statted 56+3 (if u want a screenie of the bow tell me) and with almost no str added to equip (15str or somthing). AND IM INT BASED (92% mag bal). I believe with bow there not much difference in crit if ur hybrid or not.

Ill try to crit with my 60+4 bow (with +0% phy) and im sure i will hit harder than ur 25k-26k. (71% phy 92%mag atm)

In a couple of mins ill try to crit at LV 61 with a 60+4 bow.

Da_Realest · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2435 **Location:**

Hasbin wrote:

HertogJan wrote:

I right now on lvl 63 with a 5 gap and 60+5 bow crit mangyans for 25k-26k

SS to proove it:

I will be lvl 64 in 2-3 days. When I get that bow I will post another SS.

Concerning the bugs in the cave, with this bow I need devil arrow, demon arrow. Sometimes combo to finish it. Will post updates on that on lvl 64 also. ^^

25k-26k is nothing. Look at my post at the highest dmg contest. I do 21k-22k with a bad statted 56+3 (if u want a screenie of the bow tell me) and with almost no str added to equip (15str or somthing). AND IM INT BASED (92% mag bal). I believe with bow there not much difference in crit if ur hybrid or not.

Ill try to crit with my 60+4 bow (with +0% phy) and im sure i will hit harder than ur 25k-26k. (71% phy 92%mag atm)

In a couple of mins ill try to crit at LV 61 with a 60+4 bow.

Your critical isn't going to be much by just what you said. You have 92% mag balance. You don't need criticals. No real point in you lvling phy skills pass lvl one. You're better off nuking.

IguanaRampage · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 2483 **Location:** Changing

MegaMan wrote:

kianleong wrote:

Since you insists on the term "Critical Damage = 2 * Physical Damage", shall I term the below :

Overall Damage = Physical Damage + Magical Damage

Overall Damage with Critical = Critical Damage + Magical Damage = 2 * Physical Damage + Magical Damage

We are more concern about the Overall Damage, not just Physical Damage.

YOU FORGOT PHYSICAL BALANCE

it is (physical balance*2*physical attack)+magical damage = overall critical damage

Interesting theory....

liquidsmooth · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 149

If you wanted to know the build, sorry, Blame De_realist. I wont' be posting in this topic again.

[TS]=Hark=[TS] · **Posted:** Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:09 am

why not? you are using sos

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