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Dancin
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Post subject: best build agains MULTIPLE opponents Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 7:51 pm |
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hey guys please tell me your opinion about which build is the best if you alone fight aginst multiple opponents for example 1vs2 or 1vs4
(if you want you can post your opinion for both races)
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Post subject: Re: best build agains MULTIPLE opponents Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 8:37 pm |
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Its Who Will Be Your Opponents? if thay are wiz you Dead Anyway For wiz go Glaiver with Garment
For Any Phy attack I think That Warrior is good
W8 F0r Pan_Raider opinion *w8 you man come*
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Ningyotsukai-san
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Post subject: Re: best build agains MULTIPLE opponents Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:16 pm |
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Warrior / Cleric, hands down ...
Vital Increase + Bless + Skins
and don't buy into the if you're against multiple wiz, you're as good as dead ... any wizard that's dumb enough to use LT in PvP that can't 1 ~ 2 hit you, they've got a good chance to be as good as dead. Multiple wiz w/ LT on, that's another thing ...again, 1hs + grains + vital + bless + skins, believe you'll be alright.
Though, I think a s/s nuker w/ snow on could give you far more trouble than a wizard generally will.
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Post subject: Re: best build agains MULTIPLE opponents Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:24 pm |
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Ningyotsukai-san wrote: Warrior / Cleric, hands down ...
Vital Increase + Bless + Skins
and don't buy into the if you're against multiple wiz, you're as good as dead ... any wizard that's dumb enough to use LT in PvP that can't 1 ~ 2 hit you, they've got a good chance to be as good as dead. Multiple wiz w/ LT on, that's another thing ...again, 1hs + grains + vital + bless + skins, believe you'll be alright.
Though, I think a s/s nuker w/ snow on could give you far more trouble than a wizard generally will. Like a Wise Man Said (To gain that which is worth having, it may be necessary to lose everything else) to tank MULTIPLE you need to lose some Dmg if you Want Dmg You Need To lose Hp
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Post subject: Re: best build agains MULTIPLE opponents Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 10:22 pm |
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euro....warrior/cleric chn...blader ice/fire
even tho you have no chance of surving 1vs4 anyway, so its doesnt really matter, for example, if ur tanking 4 wizards, you will die, cuz chances are, the wizards are in a pt, becuz you wont just walk south of dw/sam, and get hit right away, so its probably job war, and if they are in pt, they will most likely have a BC (bless cycle) or will have bless on 50-75% of the time...and with LT you wont survive more then 10seconds, like really, no build is made to tank 4 people at once, maybe a str chn would have done it when there were no euros, but thats about it.....
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Post subject: Re: best build agains MULTIPLE opponents Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:09 am |
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You didn't mention whether it was Euro or Chinese. Anyway, go Chinese, yeah, you need at farm a lot more SP. But Chinese are ALWAYS better in the end no matter what anyone else says.
And for handling multiple enemies, pure STR blader is hte obvious choice. Tank as many enemies as you feel like with that build and as long as oyu have the potions to back it up, you aren't gonna die ^^ (unlike europeans dying from potion use delay =p)
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Post subject: Re: best build agains MULTIPLE opponents Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:39 am |
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TheKramers wrote: You didn't mention whether it was Euro or Chinese. Anyway, go Chinese, yeah, you need at farm a lot more SP. But Chinese are ALWAYS better in the end no matter what anyone else says.
And for handling multiple enemies, pure STR blader is hte obvious choice. Tank as many enemies as you feel like with that build and as long as oyu have the potions to back it up, you aren't gonna die ^^ (unlike europeans dying from potion use delay =p) Concerning the euro potion delay, it's called healing cycle / orbit & recovery grains and one word for the whole "you aren't gonna die": Warlock ...lol
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Post subject: Re: best build agains MULTIPLE opponents Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:48 am |
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Ningyotsukai-san wrote: Concerning the euro potion delay, it's called healing cycle / orbit & recovery grains
and one word for the whole "you aren't gonna die": Warlock ...lol Idk what healing cycle/orbit are, but I'm assuming they're cleric skills. Not every person has a secondary as a cleric, and even if they do, I'd imagine that switching weapons just to cast a spell and then go back to your primary weapon to attack would get very frustrating. Plus grains are annoying, only heal 25% ov your health, are hard to find, and still have a 4 second delay on them. And when I said "you aren't gonne die" I was talking about in PvE not PvP. No one euro or chinese can tank a bunch ov people their own level
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Post subject: Re: best build agains MULTIPLE opponents Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:52 am |
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euro - warrior/cleric(I've done 1v3 a few times so it can work) chin - pure str force blader(those debuffs can make a difference if even one of the ppl don't have immmunity or if nothing else aoe kd+heal to back up pots)
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Post subject: Re: best build agains MULTIPLE opponents Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:15 am |
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TheKramers wrote: Idk what healing cycle/orbit are, but I'm assuming they're cleric skills. Not every person has a secondary as a cleric, and even if they do, I'd imagine that switching weapons just to cast a spell and then go back to your primary weapon to attack would get very frustrating. Plus grains are annoying, only heal 25% ov your health, are hard to find, and still have a 4 second delay on them.
And when I said "you aren't gonne die" I was talking about in PvE not PvP. No one euro or chinese can tank a bunch ov people their own level When the topic's about pvp, then one goes on to say "you won't die", you'd figure they were talking about PvP, since it is what the thread's about ... As for the skills, yes, it's a Cleric skill (Healing); Healing Cycle's single target heal (need to self select before healing yourself) and Healing Orbit's an AoE heal (don't need to target oneself to heal) ...of course, cycle takes the less mp to use. as for grains, yea, they heal 25%, but if I recall correctly, hp grains + vigor grains together heal your hp back to max faster than any hp + vigor potion mix, not to mention the huge difference in the delay times, especially in pvp instances where 4 secs to heal > 15 secs to heal. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=116566&hilit=+PotionsAs for the "not one" can, is kinda dependent on various things. Level range plays a key importance. Before I got bored of it, I had a full SoX 5D Force Blader that could tank whole CTF teams without much of a problem. viewtopic.php?f=58&t=101375On my Rogue / Cleric (6d range), using grains & being FF to 70, helped me tank whole ctf teams, as well... Of course, the higher you get, the harder it becomes. Of course, in both of those instances, I had advantages over the opposing side (gear / how farmed I was / not being an idiot)
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Post subject: Re: best build agains MULTIPLE opponents Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 6:08 am |
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warrior cleric is the best choice you can tank 4 people at least 5 lv under yours first you have to die and then you came up with black ress then vital increase y bless & skins and you're done, you'll be immortal for 60 seconds.
with my warrior lv80 I tanked a 76 blader and 2 glavies 77 & 76 and a bowman 74 for 60 seconds with all of the above listed and a +4 light armor set and a lv80+3 shield in ctf
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Post subject: Re: best build agains MULTIPLE opponents Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 12:40 am |
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TheKramers wrote: You didn't mention whether it was Euro or Chinese. Anyway, go Chinese, yeah, you need at farm a lot more SP. But Chinese are ALWAYS better in the end no matter what anyone else says.
And for handling multiple enemies, pure STR blader is hte obvious choice. Tank as many enemies as you feel like with that build and as long as oyu have the potions to back it up, you aren't gonna die ^^ (unlike europeans dying from potion use delay =p) Chinese and Euro are both good. Certain builds are suited better for certain things, but that doesn't make one race, or build overall better hands down than another. Bladers can die easily if you get the right statuses on them as for any other build (without the capability to remove them, i.e., force and cleric). Euro potion delay can be circumvented by other means: cleric, vigors, and grains. Warrior/Cleric has the means to be capable of tanking a ton (more than chi bladers); especially multiple opponents. You just need to know what the hell you're doing.
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Post subject: Re: best build agains MULTIPLE opponents Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:50 am |
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Quote: if nothing else aoe kd+heal to back up pots)
do you mean heal with the force tree skills?
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