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Jadekiss, i hate u tooooo much, y u r toooo late to post this into forum and when i was a lvl71 pure str bower now ....
but, i hv agree these point wat u hv to say in this title =) , and now, i may rebuild a new bow char, Archer is always bully or die from pvp watever with glavier or blader ..etc , right here, hopefully urs recommend build will change the destiny of Archer, thanks again ^.^

*Thanks Jadekiss to "SHARE" exp to us, but Dempster is always out of point, even argument which server is the 1st server in Whole Silkroad Server. ( i think these shit is belong himself )

i hv choice lvl72 weapon to mention that BOW is a bybrid weapon ( i may use wrong word ), take a look :

phy atk mag atk
sword 588 ~ 708 1001 ~ 1228
blade 626 ~ 728 942 ~ 1132
spear 614 ~ 780 1053 ~ 1373
glavie 658 ~ 856 983 ~ 1248
BOW 595 ~ 778 953 ~ 1246

index from these weapon :

phy atk : Glavie > Spear > "BOW" > Blade > Sword
mag atk : Spear > Glavie > "BOW" > Sword > Blade

BOW is the middle dmg in these weapon list, mean that BOW was not pure either int or str weapon.

In pk ( PVP ), who char make higher dmg as fast as more as possible then who is winner. Str Vs Str = Pot War, Int Vs Int = Short Time War, Str Vs Int = Luck War. * Same gear Same lvl

A pure str Archer pvp with any other kind weapon char, normally will lose, even hv alot HP, no stun, no KD and no Block is Archer weakness, Archer is a long shot char, but grass walk can short time to close to Archer( how fair ), and skill casting time is long too, when start pk and until to hit target, these target may close to Archer already.

Hit and Run to pk, player will say u : a Noob! ( how come ) When Archer was get stun and KD, wat Archer feel, they cant do sumthing, just hopefully next can keep a way to fight and no die =( .

Cri is Archer oni 1 way to survive, but, Cri block ratio make Archer disappointed again. ** Archer was impossible make every hit is Cri

In fact, i hv alot point wanna to say, but, ppl will thinking im talk shit, now in short, just hopefully this build can help and change Archer destiny.

Thanks again Jadekiss, watever it work or not, thanks to share urs exp. =)

@shinnz lol haha yeah i hate me too =) because it took my sooo long so find that out now over 1 year playing and trying builds with bow... and i know how it is to be a good bower but a full str is definitive not a good choice like u said already... u will always get bullied or pwned... by glaviers oder blader.. glavie stun u and blader block ur hits and that is really pain for the eyes.... i know thats why a bower need to be stronger and a full str = tons of HP but weakness ... even if the bow skill based on phy damage u cant win against another full str char because the fact is liek u said already bow isnt definitiv a pure str or int weapon so a pure build would kinda sux... if u want to have succes in bow and want to be strong than make a hybrid because bow is a hybrid weapon and silkroad is a game where evyrthing is possible right ? BOW CAN PWN ALL if u do it right.... its depends on how u build up ur char and i can only repeat it again silkroad is not a game which only based on pure builds...
I bet this build is the first step to make a good bower in PvM and PvP... bower will be more famous
and btw. np i try to help some newbies if they dont no what to do and how they should build there char... hopefully i could help u guys in some ways good luck and try this build out

btw
@lvl 80
naked balance = 69-70
5str/int + 2str/int form Dflag = 57 str and 57 int

80-86 balance.

http://bobtheveg.dyndns.org/SRO/Char_Build_Applet/?profile=4960

I completely agree with jade. finally some logic in character building..
but is it too late for me(89 physic bal, 40-something mental bal, lvl 20) to change to your 80:80 build?

@Infstdraynor ... you are lvl 20 right ?... then its not to late u can still change the build to a 70:70 build and with equipment to 80:80 build ... the bad thing only is it will take you a bit longer to get the 70:70 now =) but its definitive not to late...

@takolin u can get only 50 STR and 50 INT max from equipment and + the dragon flag u can have 52 then but not 57 =)

10 pieces of equip x 5 STR / 5 INT each piece = 50 STR/INT
1 Weapon (or weapon + shield if your s/s) = 5-10 STR/INT
Dragon Flag = 2 STR/INT

Possible max from gear:
Non s/s = 57
s/s = 62

@EllisD oh yea u are right i though he was talking only about equipment like gears and jewels etc... i fully forgot the weapon hehe thx for the corrections

omg i knew that if u get the balance right way it would do sommy.. hm.. lol

@oktaytheazer...hehe yea it always depends on ur balance % ...if u go like this way and find out a good balance for blader... that would be pretty dam amazing for bladers cause they are super tanker and with the right balance tanker could deal more damage... but who know which build is the best ? most of them just go pure... thats make the game soo based on pure and that sux.. but nvm

if any1 got a question on this build or something to say then post... im always happy if some1 have something to say and share us his exp. here thx =)

btw this guide ist just a tipp from me... if u find that its sux then use ur own guide i do whatever...

The whole hybrid bow thing is a waste of time. Bow was never meant to 1v1. In every role in history and almost every game, the archer is the support character. Of course you going to die in 1v1. You should die in 1v1.

Making a hybrid bow totally defeats the purpose of being a archer. You're not going to be a good support character since, your main draw, your critical has been crippled because of being hybrid. High attack rating plus a extremely high str balance makes for one deadly archer when unattended. Most str archers seem not to be so good because...

1. They 1v1. Archers aren't meant for 1v1.
2. They are simply bad players. When they do 1v1 they don't know when to run. They stand and try to tank like a blader or glaiver but lack the extra defense a shield gives and the extra hp the glaiver passive gives. They don't know when to ghost walk. They don't know when to use the arrow combo. Many don't even use the arrow combo.
3. They wear the wrong gear. Garment should be the last thing you wear if you plan to 1v1. Your biggest threat is str builds. Spear nukers are the least threat to an archer. Archers should just avoid all builds that have the kd skill and try to avoid close combat when ever possible.
4. Many archers only have decent gear. Every int and str helps an archer because of their high attack rating.

A pure str archer with a seal of sun bow is probably the most feared build in the game. Sure a pure int spear does more damage but once you get in close to attack the nuker they are pretty much dead. A pure str archer maintains their tanking power and that str adds more power to their attacks.

The only reason the bow has a pretty high mag attack is to complement the high attacking rating that a archer has and add to the damage of a critical. If it was balance then there would be no reason to have the critical increase on anti devil bow.

Anyway, as I said before. Many people don't understand that archers in general aren't meant for close combat.

Here's some videos of a good pure str archer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTNkyk7c18A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abg1mtYSFvk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoyItOtVocE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81fONiSodQQ

I believe that many of us would appreciate it if people who are ignorant of history (something that is real) would stop trying to cite history as proof for a game (something that is fake).

Do you think that just because archers generally stood behind the infantry, they only filled a support role? Well, here's some news: If you are directly doing damage to the enemy (remember, archers on a battle field killed people), you are NOT filling a support role. Support roles are things like intelligence, medical care, and logistics.

Just because someone chooses not to fight you in your face with a melee weapon does not relegate them to support. If a trained spearman was standing twenty meters from an equally trained archer, do you honestly believe that the spearman would win? Real life does not have hit points or HP pots. Have you ever heard the phrase "Never bring a knife to a gun fight"?

Please read up on the following topics:
Mounted Archery
Mongol warfare
Hannibal Barca vs Rome
The Battle of Hattin
The physics of sharp objects penetrating human flesh at great velocities

You have already stated that you will have a 70:70 and later ingame 80:80 yet you provide no skills. Fire,lightning, ice? all three? What skilzzzz do ya need?

Skills.

Pacheon
Anti devil, arrow combo, explosion arrow as main attack skills.
Hawk (blue OR black, both have it use), passive and range buff as support skills in pacheon tree.
Strongbow and Autumn wind can be obtained after some farming. They have their use, but in general aren't used much.

Fire
Imbue for highest damage.
Damage buff, passive, Mag def buff and fire shield as buffs.

Lightning
Grass walk, teleport, damage buff, parry, passive as buffs.

Ice
Def/passive

Heuksal
Hp and fan storm.


I myself will go for 80 fire, 80 pacheon, 70 lightning and 70 heuksal.
I couldn't care less about the phys def increase, but the HP will be usefull.
Offcourse one can also go 70-60 ice instead off 70 heuksal.


As said before you need a lot off farming which I'm planning to do at level 78, leads to undecent skills, but I don't care.

Nukers will eat you in armour.

LMAO! Infantry hadn't had ghost walk phantom???

Dont compare real life with game.
Really funny tough

@Da_Realest ..OMG archers/bowers arent only supporters .... only because u see in the game only pure archers who lost against pure str glavier ? archer/bower can be very strong if u do it right ?
wtf are u talking about hybrid ? didnt u read my post carefully ? i said silkroad is NOT based on pure chars pure str vs pure str = pot war...pure int vs pure int = lucky on who should first .... etc. WOW what a fantastic game huh ? u never tried a balance build out its definitiv different to a 2:1, 1:1 build or something like that...
i bet with u all ..... STR builder with bow will tell u that str is ..... shit for bow i have a 70 STR bow and 70 Int bow both have their good aspects BUT they are definitiv not the best choice to build a GOOD bower... i already posted the math thing about the crit and damage power.... just read more carefully but nvm....most ppl thing like u so i can understand it but dont post something against hybrid or bower if u dont know anything about it.... did u have over 1 year experience on bow ? no soo keep it real =) and stay cool

@Eukanuba ...yea archers ar not supporters only.... that is the same with a blader.... bladers can be very strong if u find out the right balance so they can deal more damage....

@taintofsleep....my skill build is kinda secret but i can tell u that FIRE and LIGHTNING is a must so u need to do a lot of sp farming if u want to be skilled

@takolin ... you are quite good in this guide ... i think i wont have any problems in ur build heuksal is a good choice but i dont care about the 1000 HP bonus through heuksal...why ? because in the new alchemy is everything possible u CAN add HP to your equipment not that high amount but still good so why get extra HP if u can get extra Defens ? hehe but good luck

@Hasbin lol i dont understand what is so funny o.O but ok maybe u have a bigger sense of humour than me

You can also make your def on your gear better.
btw hp works vs all builds, ice only vs str builds.
And it gives me acces to fan spear to annoy nukers.

well i see thats this topic is very hot and yet interesting. from the simplest math calculations and from the game formula we can see that even the bower has 20% low crit dmg from pure str, the dmg from magic imbue is simply higher thus making the dmg from hybrid bower more higher then pure str. u just got to balance it the right way, and jadekiss has shown us the right balance 80:80.

the problem we have now is we don have any official dmg calc to prove whos dmg is better pure str or hybrid bower. but, from the simple math and logic thinking, we can see that hybrid did give more dmg then pure str bower even their crit is high, their overall dmg is still low, pls see jadekiss past post to see the math calc.

bcuz of the above fact people tend to follow majority build that are proven to be useful, they do not want to think a bit about the formula or the game mechanics, that is same like me at first, where i really think that if we can get balance physical and magical, the dmg will be higher.

but suddenly jadekiss come to this forums and post this topic. i believe him bcuz he says he have a 1 year exp in this. yes maybe ull say that im stupid to believe ppl that we don know their background, but then as for me, i just taking my chances.

if just we had a dmg calculator, an official one, i really think pure build isnt the strongest, the int there is a fact to be consider. whoever got the balance right, i think that build will give more dmg then pure build..tq

@Takolin...that is true But Full Int nukers wont be the Problem in PvP u will own them before they really hurts and and if u wear protector + fire proctection skill u will have a high mag defense also through the 80:80 build so i think full str chars are the bigger problem so u need a high defens or higher HP i think it comes almost to the same so its up to everyone i prefer ice because of the defense and the ice guard skill is kinda cool and Ice rain skill is also a must looking skill but its up to every1 how they build up their char...every way has kinda positiv aspects and negativ one....

@longlost yea some ppl dont read all my post carefully and didnt see the math calcu. about crit hits and attack power...
i must say also this build here is not the number 1 build BUT its a very good one to show that a right balanced bower can PWN i wasted over 1 year for this here...for all those who dont believe me and think bow is a STR weapon then go full str... but u will see on lvl 42+ u wont kill a full str char and u ask urself why ?? why i am so weak ? i play like the full str formular but why do i sux on pvp ? because u dont use the fully power of a bow bow is a special weapon which it is so hard to handle it... u cant go full str ... then u wont have any damage... u will always die if u dont make good crit.... but look the math calc. what a 80:80 build can do with a crit... so full str bow are based on crit hits to survive in pvp BUT a 80:80 not why ? because he will deal a lot of more damage and has still lots of hp.....

my lvl 70 full str bow char... isk inda ok in pvp ... but that char make me very mad... i wasted a lot of time to make that char but then i feel the weakness ... i hab a lot of problems in pvp it was alsways lucky if i won against a glavier... so i quit that char and started operation full int bow

so the bow was pretty stronger than the full str but the HP make me to thinking.... how could i survive against a glavier ? i need to kill him fast before he reach me.... but WTF ? i wasnt strong with my nukes like a spear nuker and i hadnt the BLOCK bonus like sword + shield nuker...so wtf it make sense to make a full int nuker ? u cant kill a glaiver before he reachs u .....

so both pure ways sux... it dont really make sense...

nowl et us talk about a 1:1 build i did that too... boah i think i was crazy to make such a bower.... u are weak like hell and ur hp was ok but weak also ur phy damage sux and wtf should i do with that gay char ? i was either strong neither a survivor....

BUT then i had the idea.... hm i press C and watch my balance on the 1:1 build the phy was pretty high and the mag low... so i though what if i make the balance of mage higher to get a DAM nice power booster but i should make the balance so that i still have a lot of HP to survive long enough to kill a glavier with my new POWER BOOSTER... i though if phy 80% but then i would have kinda only mag 60... and that was a low power booster so i raise mag up to 70% but then i have only 70% phy... then i think of gears which give me int and str... and try it out i had 75:75 and i try to fight against mobs and i was very proude.... i was strong and could handle 4 mobs on my same lvl withouth dieing.... now i test that on PvP against a full str bow and i own him he wonders why a habrid could own him.... i said its my secret... but now im very proude that i have kinda find out the right balance and started on Troy this build + SP farming my balance is 75:79 right now and i must say WOW this build is very nice....

but to all who dont agree or are confused.... this build is just a tipp from me this is a CHANCE to you to make a good bower more not... u can go whatever u want but if u believe me give this build a chance and try it out...u will see thx

I also chose heuksal for the 90 cap.
I'm aiming for 90 pach/fire, 70 light and 50heuk.
50 ice is fairly uselss and I don't wanna get 60light.

Again, stop with the nonsense. Your statement does not address the fact that you tried to cite real world events as justification in a game. Silkroad does have a few elements of history to it, but the vast majority of the game is completely imaginary.



Obviously, you are back peddling. I was very clear in my post that I was discussing your lack of understanding of real life events. Unless you mean to say that ALL people on a battle field are support. If that's the case, your entire previous post is rendered pointless and you never should have submitted it for the world to see. While the English language facilities your usage of the word, in the vernacular used by modern military forces, the term "support" is clearly defined as roles that do not directly damage the enemy.

More suggested reading for you:
Combat Arms
Combat Support
Combat Service Support

Please educate yourself before you look stupid again.

@Da_Realest.... u are right that u cant always have 70:70 but i posted that also ...pls just read my post more carefully im already tired of discussing here and repeat my old post.... and its going to be a 80:80 build or higher... its possible through the new alchemy
but yea u have right again silkroad is also kinda based on group fight but u cant always start only guild wars u also have to pvp 1vs1
but pls dont tell anything about hybrids if u dont see a good hybrid build in action.... btw im not trying to bully any1 here i just posted this guide as a help and a chance for bowers
but u always talk about full str glavier are the best that no1 can beat them.... so what a sense make that for the game ? they should call the game then GLAVIE OWN ? naah ok... nvm i know what im talking about and no1 can tell me its wrong cause no1 has a proof for it... i have a proof that my theorie is right... last time i tell u that go pls to aege and ask Wind if u dont believe me but nvm i stop discussing i only give those ppl advice if they need or if some has a question ... then post and ask ....

u can also thx me for wasting my time for this guide

you play .. way way.. to much

maybe power lvler withouth farming ?
or i dont know hehe

any question or statements to this guide ?

Thanks for the insults. It baffles me why people have to use insults when trying to make a point.

Its you who generalized what I said. I never said met it in those aspects you are describing. You're the one that said that. Bowers can't tank well, so there are bladers to tank for them. Bladers can't kill so there are glaivers behind them to help do damage. The bowers and pure ints go into the back where they can deal damage without fear of being in killed. In this way, they all support each other making up for each other weaknesses. Why didn't I state this earlier? I thought it was quite obvious that you wouldn't put a bower in the front when you got other builds that can tank much better.



I know that you said. The reason that I didn't mention it is because it would be wise to put the builds on equal terms if you're going to judge them. The comparisons I made were all by judging the builds without alchemy. If I were to factor in your build with alchemy then I would ultimately had to do the same with the others.



I never said glaivers can beat all builds. Can you show me where I said glaivers are the best build?

Can you please name other good 80:80 archers then? You can't say its the better build just because of ONE person. You would need to consider what gear he has, his play tactics, and the quality of the players he has beaten.

The number of times a hybrid has been beaten by a pure str character are greater than the times the hybrids have won. That is why most people consider pure strs as the best.

If you want to find out who the better build, then get about 20 people all with npc gear except the weapon and see what build wins the most times. That will prove what is the best build.

No one is trying to prevent you making a guide. Just you from saying that this build is good just because of one person. When there are other good builds like that, and do so well as you claim Wind does, let me know.

No need to thank me. You clearly earned them of your own merit.



Excuse me? I'm the one who generalized what you said? Reread your posts and you'll find that YOU were the one who said "In every role in history and almost every game, the archer is the support character. Of course you going to die in 1v1. You should die in 1v1."

I am attempting to discus reality with you. You seem to have trouble telling the difference between real life and computer games. Again, I will break it down for you



If you believe that, you are ignorant of history. In history (and by history and I mean things that actually took place in the real world), battles that involved archers utilized archers to inflict massive amounts of damage on the enemy. This is not a "support" role. This is a combat role. If anything, the infantry men are supporting the archers by keeping enemy foot soldiers away. Your response to that is the following:



If the definition you are using for the word "support" is "help someone in some way", then ALL builds in the game are support, and your original declaration of "archers are support characters" is rendered useless. You might as well have stated "all characters have heads."

And again, you try to merge real life with Silkroad and then use one to justify your stance on the other. You cannot compare the two. In real life, infantry men armed with swords ("bladers", as you call them) inflicted just as much damage as those with polearms ("glaivers"). In real life, it doesn't matter if a person uses a sword or a glaive to chop your head off. The outcome is the same - one hit and you are dead. Also, your romanticized version of Silkroad warfare is severely flawed. Having a shield bearing character in front of an archer will do very little to protect the archer. The only way an archer (or any character in this game) to prevent someone from closing the distance is to kill them first or run. Characters do not impede the travel of other characters.



Is this your assessment based off of "history"? If so, I'd like to remind you that in real life, a single arrow to your heart will kill you just as quickly as a single stab from a sword or a spear to the chest. However, an archer can do so at a considerable range. Once again, never bring a knife to a gun fight.

OMG.... u guys posted a lot here lol.... right now i cant give a statement to every1.. why ? because if i do that that person would kinda conter and it will never end till some1 give up =)

btw. if no1 like this build or guide then u dont have to read it it just a chance and a suggestion from me how to build a good bower nothing else... but nvm now..

but i have to say Wind dont have any sos thing on him only +3 protect set and a + 5 bow.... but no sos and he still pwns ppl with sos so i can kinda tell he rocks with this build.... and to ur second one...i cant name other ppl with a 80:80 build...why not ? because all u guys play like formulars and make a full str bow no1 really tried to make a char which based on balance so this is the simple answer....but btw if u would be clever u would answer that question on ur own.... but no comment !

anything else ?