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 Post subject: To leaders of BHA, SD, ASY, and other related low lvl guilds
PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 5:53 pm 
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I'm considering making plvl illegal for hurricane members, but only if You guys will agree to do the same. There are a lack of low lvl parties as it is, and we dont' need people who don't know how to play their build very well a few days sooner then, having lvled right and being good at it. If all our guilds agree to this thats a decent number of low lvls, who can't plvl so they'll party together instead.

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 Post subject: Re: To leaders of BHA, SD, ASY, and other related low lvl guilds
PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:17 pm 
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I'm considering making plvl illegal for hurricane members...


Let's just say Hurricane will get pretty inactive if that happens, lol.

And not to be a jerk, but it's poor form to suggest to other guilds that they prohibit powerleveling when you're well on your way to lvl 5 because of it. Just sayin' :roll:

All that being said, I'm not sure if anyone from Asylum has plvl'd. I think we're all grinding away. Some slowly (me) and some quickly (everyone else), but still at our keyboards.

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 Post subject: Re: To leaders of BHA, SD, ASY, and other related low lvl guilds
PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:21 pm 
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likewise, i don't think this is a good call. nearly everyone in BH party grinds 90% of the time, but sometimes some avalon union members come help out for a few hours, and i don't see any harm in it. ultimately we all want to be capped monsters, and a few hours of plvl here and there isn't going to do anything but help us on our way. maybe you should take it in a case-by-case basis instead of prohibiting it completely?

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 Post subject: Re: To leaders of BHA, SD, ASY, and other related low lvl guilds
PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:24 pm 
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if you guys need cleric help ill gladdly joun your low lvls pt, im 68 but just to help heal

tho i think your xp will go down?


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 Post subject: Re: To leaders of BHA, SD, ASY, and other related low lvl guilds
PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:26 pm 
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So am i the only one who sees plvling becoming an issue just like other servers, we grind, more then plvl too, how ever if all us noob legit guilds baned it there would be more parties in total for us, but i guess i'm alone in this, and i think our people will have more fun if they grind instead of standing afk on a hill away from creatures while some one slaughters them by the hundreds, no one cares about a plvled charector and are way more likely to switch, now if they legitamtly earned that lvl they'll feel more like sticking to it, and working towards lvling. And if people leave cause we wont' plvl them then too damn bad, we dont' want people like that.

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 Post subject: Re: To leaders of BHA, SD, ASY, and other related low lvl guilds
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Foudre, I think it's only a problem for Hurricane. Everything you are saying is correct and both SG and I are agreeing with you. What we're also saying is that we don't have that problem in our guilds. I'm not going to say anything bad about Hurricane because you have some really awesome members and you will build a strong guild with them. However, there are some members who haven't spent more than 15 mins at their keyboard on Venus and those 15 mins were spent begging for plvl in union. You know who they are. Deal with them. I was going to rant to you about it before I left but it wasn't my place.

If you want me to delete this, I will. Maybe I should have kept it in PM's. Again, don't take it the wrong way. Hurricane is great and you're going to have a great guild. :love:


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 Post subject: Re: To leaders of BHA, SD, ASY, and other related low lvl guilds
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Foudre, I think it's only a problem for Hurricane. Everything you are saying is correct and both SG and I are agreeing with you. What we're also saying is that we don't have that problem in our guilds. I'm not going to say anything bad about Hurricane because you have some really awesome members and you will build a strong guild with them. However, there are some members who haven't spent more than 15 mins at their keyboard on Venus and those 15 mins were spent begging for plvl in union. You know who they are. Deal with them. I was going to rant to you about it before I left but it wasn't my place.

If you want me to delete this, I will. Maybe I should have kept it in PM's. Again, don't take it the wrong way. Hurricane is great and you're going to have a great guild. :love:

Other then the problems this causes to the party system, you got to admit a plvled legit is a semi bs legit

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 Post subject: Re: To leaders of BHA, SD, ASY, and other related low lvl guilds
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well this asks the question, what muse u exactly do to be legit? hmm...

WAit 8 hours for you members to log in, or kindly accept the offer of another legit to help you? hmmm... :P

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 Post subject: Re: To leaders of BHA, SD, ASY, and other related low lvl guilds
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between the 3 guilds we should have enough people on most of the time for a good party

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 Post subject: Re: To leaders of BHA, SD, ASY, and other related low lvl guilds
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foudre wrote:
Other then the problems this causes to the party system, you got to admit a plvled legit is a semi bs legit


I'm not a fan of plvl, but in small doses, like what SG pointed out, it doesn't bother me. None of my char's have been plvl'd (well, I tried to plvl myself once and that was a failure) but when I recreate my blader, I'll probably ask someone to help me get to 52 and I'll take it from there. I think it depends on the person and the situation.

If you are recreating a char from another server and know how to play it, I can kind of understand.

If you haven't played a certain build but you get someone to plvl you, you're making a mistake. You'll never understand how it works.


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 Post subject: Re: To leaders of BHA, SD, ASY, and other related low lvl guilds
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I'm not ignoring your argument and still agree with it, but reason isn't possible to teach, and it would just be best for every one to disallow it

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 Post subject: Re: To leaders of BHA, SD, ASY, and other related low lvl guilds
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normal parties grind on mobs 9-11 levels ahead. plvl parties grind on mobs 9-11 levels ahead.

if your being plvled, its not an excuse for being lazy and not playing the game. you can still do your role. the plvler will enjoy a tank that lures, a healer that buffs, a bard that gives tambour/mp, a wizard for extra damage, ect.

plvl does not have to be bad. each guild leader needs to set limits on who does it, where they do it, and why they do it. lazy people need to be warned and active party levelers who need a little bit of plvl now and then can benefit without harming the system.

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 Post subject: Re: To leaders of BHA, SD, ASY, and other related low lvl guilds
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I think we all agree with each other and are saying the same thing in different ways. If someone from Asylum spams union begging for plvl and if he doesn't get it, just goes afk for an hour and then comes back begging again, I'm going to dump him. The rule for Asylum is: don't ask for it but if someone offers, that's fine. If it becomes a problem, I'll probably need to prohibit it. Right now, it isn't a problem.


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BH members know better than to ask for it. it's not tolerated.

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 Post subject: Re: To leaders of BHA, SD, ASY, and other related low lvl guilds
PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:38 pm 
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likewise, i don't think this is a good call. nearly everyone in BH party grinds 90% of the time, but sometimes some avalon union members come help out for a few hours, and i don't see any harm in it. ultimately we all want to be capped monsters, and a few hours of plvl here and there isn't going to do anything but help us on our way. maybe you should take it in a case-by-case basis instead of prohibiting it completely?

+1 I agree with this. I grind in parties with people 90% of the time but sometimes people from Avalon offers to plvl and I think that's okay. And as far as I know no one in our guild / union has begged for plvl (I think o.O)
I don't see anything wrong with getting powerlvl'd a few hours sometimes if they offer it :]

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 Post subject: Re: To leaders of BHA, SD, ASY, and other related low lvl guilds
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making it illegal doesnt make sence, u can try to limit it but not stop it and if some1 that is a legit lv80 wants to plv me am not ganno say no. We pt most if not all the time, plv shud be one offs.

what you should do is try get all the low lv people in guild and allaince to know each other and make friends so they pm each other if there is pts or not. In SD we always have a full going most of the day.

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making it illegal doesnt make sence, u can try to limit it but not stop it and if some1 that is a legit lv80 wants to plv me am not ganno say no. We pt most if not all the time, plv shud be one offs.

what you should do is try get all the low lv people in guild and allaince to know each other and make friends so they pm each other if there is pts or not. In SD we always have a full going most of the day.

i have people from every class from around my lvl on my friends list for this reason. people who are on the same times as me, who grind the same mobs i do, etc.

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 Post subject: Re: To leaders of BHA, SD, ASY, and other related low lvl guilds
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I only did it when i'm bored and they dont have any pt at all. I'm concentrating on the lowest lvl in the pt so they can all be almost in the same range. So they can pt later at higher lvl mobs. I even asked the highest lvl in the pt to give spot to lower members.

It's about having their team balance in terms of lvl. I'm helping them to help themselves. There's nothing wrong with it and i just did it 2 times only. Once for BH, the other one for SD.



P/S : Pm me if u want me to tell union when u got a pt up.

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 Post subject: Re: To leaders of BHA, SD, ASY, and other related low lvl guilds
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Fly, guess how many parties ive been in that lvl on mobs 9-11 lvls higher? 2.....

With yall when venus started and now with BH/SD when im partying /helping them. so your statement isnt true, the norm is a party fights things 4-5 lvls higher than themselves, ask anyone.

And to foudre, why is it all of a sudden bad to plvl? Was it bad when you were standing in the hall at nachals using alex's account in the party with Khaara? Just curious

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But I do kinda agree with the problem it does create though. Personally just starting out and grr, no lowbies to party with because they're all off siting on a fkin horse. (well that's a scenario)

But also like fly said, a good party is grinding on 10-11 lvls higher which is also , the most effective for plvling.

So rather than ban plvling (which I wouldn't mind anyway, but that's just me)...ban sitting on a horse or in a safe spot?

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If only excuse why plvl is bad, is that people dont know how to play their class in party, then chinese can get plved lol.

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hhhmm we try to always fight mobs 7-11 lvl shigher than us it worked pretty well till mujigis (skip them) :?

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Godz Power is pretty annoying when it comes to pwrlvl beggars too. =.= been asked by like 5 of their members repeatedly for plvl -.-

On topic...Powerleveling, in the sense that people sit there and do nothing while one high level wipes everything out, not only screws you financially, but mentally as well. You aren't going to be accepted to parties because you lack the knowledge of your build, thus screwing you more. (Now in the case of someone that is knowledgeable about the game, the last segment may be less true, but since most plvl'd people are nubz, it is a generalized fact)

On the otherhand, Getting a high level to help you tank/cleric/wiz/etc. while the party still does it's job should not be problematic. Kharra helped me multiple times in the cave and only once did I sit there and do nothing (because it was nachals and I took too much damage to be a help other than as a buffer).

Make your rules as such: NO getting powerleveled if you are not going to do anything that will help you in terms of knowing your build. I hate noobs that don't have common sense....thank god there are very few of them at high level.

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I think we all agree with each other and are saying the same thing in different ways. If someone from Asylum spams union begging for plvl and if he doesn't get it, just goes afk for an hour and then comes back begging again, I'm going to dump him. The rule for Asylum is: don't ask for it but if someone offers, that's fine. If it becomes a problem, I'll probably need to prohibit it. Right now, it isn't a problem.


That what it basically came down to with CT back when I played Oasis. If anyone in Asylum spams for plvl they aren't gonna have a warm welcome, nor will they stay for long ^,^ Luckily we don't have any problems with plvl in the guild atm (w0ot).

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i've said it before. BH members WILL NOT beg for plvl. they better be careful even ASKING. if anyone gets this kind of treatment from my members, let me know immediately, and action will be taken.

but they all know better.

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