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I just made this post on sra forum. I hope you all see my reasoning why..

[QUOTE]This may cause and upraor within the union towards me but frankly this is a problem that goes un-noticed and we need to get it under control.

I'm talking about Legit Powerleveling.

Recently, I have seen alot of Avalon union members being p-lvld while just camping out on some mountain side or hallway.

Someone please tell me how this differs from botting a char to lvl 80 and not knowing how to use your skills and being weak in pvp and other parties as I am sure you are all familiar with.

The same goes for p-lvling. We have all these lower lvl players that want to level fast creating no party play for people that actually want to grind. This also creates a group of players that will not know how important party play is and how much you benefit from forming a proper party. In that case Avalon will become weak and vunerable.

As well the same goes for the new legit guilds and unions starting up out there. All we are going to have is a bunch of weak legit players in the server.

I have started a no plvl pocily within Odyssey and I am pretty strict about it. I want any and all reports of plvl within my guild sent either to Kewtie or myself.

Even if you have a lvl 80 char on Venus, or another server, all p-lvling is doing is setting an example for the lower level players that it is ok. When Odyssey first joined Avalons union, I expected plvl. All i ever saw out there was plvl parties. But then I learned fast that if we don't participate in the party, we are losing a great deal of experience.

Our union is Legit, and should be helpful. But this route we are taking is far from being beneficial to the rest of the Union. I urge that all senior members of the union please consider this. Please consider what is happening with the future of Avalon and other legit guilds out there. We are making a mistake by leveling people this way.


I hope everyone understands where I am coming from and shares the same outlook as myself. We need to resolve this problem as quickly as possible.

Sincerely,
Your Anger Manager - Witch [END QUOTE]

i ask you all whats the point of actually being legit, was it just a name to a cause to get people to along?

Or did you really mean to play enjoy the game, and have the game be enjoyed the way its meant to, parties around, and such. Plvling is no different from botting in that aspect other then you arenot using a 3rd party program, and there fore can not be legit, if it is legit whats the point of being legit

your right. plvling sucks ass.

but at the same time, joxmax skrewed up the game. with so many goldbots taking up room, there i not enough players at each mob range to make full functioning parties.

the way i see it:
plvl by bot = ban
plvl when there is 10 ppl online you can pt with = major warning
plvl when ur lvl 2x or 3x and there are only 2 other rogues out there and a legit offers you plvl = acceptable.


ALSO, remember, plvl is MOST effective when your killing mobs 9 levels ahead. ZOMG! thats exactly that normal parties level on also! if you got a pt of 4 to 7 players getting plvled by 1 high level, you should be helping out, buffing, lureing, useing your classand LEARNING your class. the pt should be 75% grind and 25% plvl at most.

I actually feel bad having allowed Khaara to plvl foudre like that. Though i was buffing healing, infact i was playing to charectors at once mping on alex's charector on my latop while doing both, it was hard. Though i'm not sure what to consider myself after that plvl.

I can see both points of the arguments
how ever fly understand
you can not teach reason
and a dissallowance of it will be the only way to solve the problem

Fly, you make a perfect point, however it needs to be stressed within the union for people to actually try and form a party instead of just asking within union chat, or guild chat. That is the easiest way to get a party going. Yes I'm sure we would all rather party with our union members but there are other legit players out there that are looking for parties as well. And alot of these people come to want to join our union because we know what we are doing. This is why i urge for a movement to have the senior members be more active within the union to help cut down on the plvl and give proper advice on how to form parties to help our lower lvl parties get themselves established. This is what i do within my guild and I would expect that union would want the same as well.

Well, I do join power lvl parties, of coarse legit ones, haven't bought any power lvling so far, I do so to lvl up fast whenever I don't find good parties... and since I live in egypt, I hardly find good parties till most of our union are on (like mid night my time cos the union is mostly from nroth america)...

I have some stuff to say... hmm, if ppl get power lvled from time to time, they won't lost exp in using their character... and I've tried it... cos I hardly get power lvled... sooooo, I suggest that if the guild leaders think that some member(s) deserve a power lvl, then he should... soooo, maybe you can ban power lvling 24/7... Just make sure it's done occasionaly.... that's all

the key to anything is moderation. i think SG has had about one full ticket's length plvl total over the whole 40 lvls. my guild members know not to ask for it, but i don't think there's anything wrong with accepting it from someone who offers, especially when there are not enough people online to make a functional party at your lvl - which still happens to us pretty regularly, even with our alliance being as large as it is.

what Witch is against is people who spend all their online time being plvled and none of it learning how to actually use their character. it's true: what you end up with is no better than a bot, someone who is high lvl but has had no face time with their character and doesn't know what to do with themselves in a generals pt.

you can spot someone who got a lot of plvl easily when they join your pt. if i have to train one more tank on how to keep the ints alive, i may have a red name again.

Witch, I am and will be spending the next few weeks stomping out all plvl begging and overuse of plvling in the union. At the same time you need to allow players 1-30 to get plvl freely. Those levels are 100% impossible to form a party unless you move to venus with a large group of players.

Once players reach ongs / huns, power level will no longer be allowed to over do plvling.

sungsungs, spiders, mujigis, penons, pegs, yachas, soilders, generals. thats 8 partis! 8 * 8 = 64 players 24/7 to allow people to level from 30-80 without needing plvl. 64 people does not sound like alot, but it when you spread them out and can only give a few union chat at a time.

If we allowed no plvl, we would have to add: brontis, cyclops, crabs, warriors, punishers, ongs, huns. Thats 7 more parties at a level which most people skip over with or without plvl within a week. const has 4 chars, legit or bot total. no way in hell any new player can pt lvl until 20. at 20 u got the occasional crabs party till 25 max. after that your SOL till ongs which is 100% plvl and no parties legit or bot.


with that said: anyone over 32 begging for plvl will get there ass handed to them. at 32 you got spiders parties almost always with the new alliance + after penons you should never be partyless. Thats my "official" stance for the union. Give a little, take little and hopefully everything will work out in the end.

I agree with SG and Fly... SG actually rephrased wot I wanted to say...

I think I've stated previously my in either guild, union or Vent my severe dislike for plvling because it merely creates an army of noobs. Like giving civilians a sword and going "Here, fight."

most good skills start at 40. till 40, your not really playing your "build".

better an army of 30 noobs then have them quit off at 10-20 cuz they cant get started properly.

Nicely said Fly.
Powerlevel should be approved until they hit the ongs, cause, you know that the powerfarming starts @ ongs (those sick numbers 300-500k sp).
I think that ongs are the final frontier for plvl.
I offered my help to BH & SD gang, but only as passive helper. When they had a cleric I debuffed their pt mobs so they can kill them fast, or when they needed a cleric I acted like one.
The point is not to interfere with their roles in the party so they can practice their build.
If they are stuck with many pt mobs they can't handle, help them.
I was being plvled too, but there were no pts I could participate at that time, plus I don't use Premium yet, so yea, I needed that extra XP.
Of course, I put my efforts in the plvl pt, give scream masks, blessing, etc.

Precisely.

Yeah, that was really nice of you to do that, it was greatly appreciated ^,^

But yeah, untill you hit your 3x, good pts are hard to come by. I was lucky enough to find some lowbie pts until 3x and managed to get into a lot of sui's pts ^,^ I offered plvl to my guildies below 3x~ simply because there aren't a lot of pts or any at all to help them get to 3x+...and I know how monotonous and boring the solo-grind can be.

Yeah, surprisingly not having a functional pt around happens waaaaaaaaay more than I was expecting, but you learn to digress and try to find a pt (but usually no one knows how to use their char =/).

Also, yeah it's pretty easy to spot people who've been plvled basically from the start. Back on Oasis the people begging for plvl is rediculous. I had a guildie who basically begged for plvl all the time and did nothing (I told 'em with all the time and effort he put into begging for plvl he could've leveled himself a few times). However, he got what he wanted; plvled from 1~52 and he knows absolutely nothing on how to use his char and it's awfully appearant everytime he pvps or jobs.

IMO it just depends on the situation

Due to my timezone being different to anyone in uni's whos similar level to mine, i pretty much have to solo until late at night when the other guys come on.

And when im pvled, its only cos no one else is online i can party with, and even when i am being pvlled, im not afk, and im usually buffing the leveler.

Depending on how Hera goes, there may be more legits coming to Venus over the next month or two. Getting rid of more bots to make space for ticketless legits is crucial right now. Especially as JM didn't raise the cap to 3500. Also, as the union fills in, it'll be easier to find parties at your level.

what if we are on a 9 gap at level 52 & get pleveled? we arent really leveling that fast it should take a long time to level to 53.. i dont think my knowledge or experience will change in just 1 level ahead o_o i think its better if i get new skills quickly at the same level so i can play with them & learn new combos or whateverr
wait.. this isn't really called pleveling right?! i think its powerSPing o_o is that allowed?
i swear i will party all day & help people around my level when i get back to 0 gap.. i am really really in need of pSPing right now :[

Powerfarming.

People could get plved to whatever level and they could learn to play his character very well in no time, pvping others or whatever doing. It isnt rocket science its sro, it doesnt take really much skills. For example I got my rogue up to lvl6x without being in a single party, then switched to warrior, and with ease I could handle party play and no one died with 1st try, just read skill description and here you go. Thats how hard it is to learn your class lol.

If people cant think and **** up his whole party and team play is shit. Well... then its because they are too stupid to think, just born dumb, nothing to do with being plvled. Btw, euros skills at higher levels are mostly the same with few exceptions only stronger, so once you got basics after making char, and getting know to your class skills(what they do) its easy later.

Lol, I am helping my friends by leveling them, and they are considered botters

i know the BHA is always looking for warlocks to pt with, and we have a TON of 3X. Pm me in-game when you need a pt, i'll try to set you up. i am GMT-5 but i play at really odd times.

Personally speaking....if you help out (like bard/lure/heal) in the pwrlvl i find nothing wrong with that. But sitting on a horse is downright lame. There are plenty of people who have no idea how to tank/heal/stay alive, cuz they all got plvled and now have a character that they don't know how to use.

So in that sense, yes they are reaching the same outcome as a bot.

However, this is not a concern of legitamacy. More or less a concern of making sure people know what they're doing.

When you party 80-90% of the time, know what you're doing and get someone like Kharra to help out when you need it, i don't see an issue with that.

okay i guess im going to get a few powerfarming then.. i think theres nothing wrong with thatt
im going to get some taxis & ill try to see if they are not bots >_>

IMHO - powerleveling IS cheating.


This sounds like something a botter would say:

"You can bot to level 40 because your not really playing your build."

"I watch the screen while botting."

"I can chat with my friends while (insert: bot/plvl)."

Powerleveling is cheating and Fly's excuse is pitiful.

w.t.f lol... okay, can you convince me how could it be cheating???

You are sitting on your arse . . . i mean your horse . . . not doing anything and getting exp pts.

Well, that's not really "cheating" is it? Any more than picking up someone else's gold drop (not doing anything and getting money) is cheating.

I still disagree... I faced that problem when I first came to Venus... I got power lvled to 20 in one day and I had no gold... how could a newbie start that way????

wot ever... cheating??? in all ways it's not cheating as long as you're having a legit player power lvling you... okay, define the word cheating... I believe it means doing something illegal... is getting power lvled by a legit considered illegal?

Well, anywaysssss... I don't agree with power lvling 24/7 and begging for it... It really pisses me off... like SG said, Moderation is the best...

And that's the kind of powerleveling we DON'T like. We like the kind where you just fill in a party spot, but every still plays their role. Plus it is also to get them to a point where they can level themselves. (Lv30, where the parties really start)

theres a big difference between plvling and having a higher char help you out.......in my eyes plvling is when the plvlee (lol)has to do nothing but follow the plvler.....but i think its fine if the lower char acctualy has to heal/attack to down the mob/mobs

Well, I always agree with power lving general as long as it's not by a bot... but hell yeah, me as a plvlee lol I really enjoy it when I get some high lvl ppl in my parties.. actually the other power lvl, it usually ends up by AFK plvlees lol

How can you tell if they're a bot or not? I can't really tell.. cus I just joined venus.