PK2 Editting, why is it allowed on SRF?? it allows cheating

William-CL · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 7363 **Location:** N/A

Zing wrote:

Blackdragon6 wrote:

The deal about changing uniques to roc aren't really that big of a deal, because it doesn't put other ppl at a disadvantage, it just give you an advantage.

Blackdragon, in a runners' race, someone driving a car is clearly at an advantage, does that give the runners a disadvantage?

When the notice for the unique appears, the race starts.

But it doesn't affect the other players. Only you. I agree that it makes a big advantage, but It's not as big as actually changing the size entirely so they are even bigger than roc. There are even talks about be able to change the map so that when They spawn it's projected on your Map and you can run straight to them.

MrFudge · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 5731 **Location:** None

Alright well, look i don't support any pk2 editing whatsoever. It doesn't matter if you're just changing the skins of your equipment, if you're changing monster model size, etc.
It all turns into unfairness in every way.

How hard is it to a click on a unique after it spawns it's minions? pretty damn hard.
..well unless its 3 times its normal size due to pk2 edit.

Can you tell what degree the opposing thief is by looking at them? only their weapon gives u a general idea, and of course they can easily just run around with a 5d glaive and then whip out the 64+7 sun on you. Not unless u edit out the suit via pk2 edit

Everything you teach about pk2 editing, all you have to do is basically scroll down the list of all the text strings down the pk2, find something you think would work and see if it does. It does give you an unfair advantage. You have all you need in the pk2 Guides and tutorials section to do most of what you want aside from the server side things.

The best solution towards this right now, would be to just not talk about it at all and allow joymax to handle it. After u read this thread ull prob wanna tell a friend that doesnt kno about these things, and all will just get worse. I don't flaunt about it, i merely said it passively in a response to another post and haven't replied to any PMs of ppl asking me how to do it.

MrBow · **Posted:** Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:39 am

Amelie wrote:

MrBow wrote:

PK2 editing is allowed.
Removing invisibility with PK2 editing is not allowed.
(Links to) PK2 guides that contain the information posted above will be edited out and administrative action will be taken.

dont you think allowing some things (pk2 related) in this srf could therefore help people to find out about that stealth edit?

Those pk2 tuts on the guides and tutorials are just the base for people to explore such things, like making uniques as big as a you want, and even detect stealth and invisibility.

Amelie most users don’t know how to pk2 edit the invisibility out by themselves. They still need guides. Basic knowledge isn’t enough.

MrFudge wrote:

Wait I'm gonna get banned

Fudge nobody says you will be banned or whatsoever :3 I just like to see sources as quotes can be easily edited.

MrFudge wrote:

The best solution towards this right now, would be to just not talk about it at all and allow joymax to handle it. After u read this thread ull prob wanna tell a friend that doesnt kno about these things, and all will just get worse. I don't flaunt about it, i merely said it passively in a response to another post and haven't replied to any PMs of ppl asking me how to do it.

+1 That’s what we’re doing right now, editing out all possible ‘hints’

Thanks for not sharing

Zing · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 568 **Location:**

Blackdragon6 wrote:

But it doesn't affect the other players. Only you. I agree that it makes a big advantage, but It's not as big as actually changing the size entirely so they are even bigger than roc. There are even talks about be able to change the map so that when They spawn it's projected on your Map and you can run straight to them.

Blackdragon, the car is the PK2 edit, the driver is you. The results are the outcome. Let's say that I give you a head start in a race against me, does that affect me? Of course. What difference is there when giving yourself a 'head start' with the PK2 edit?

Word of definition: absence or deprivation of advantage or equality.

Calico · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 244 **Location:**

Deacon wrote:

But everyone who uses the stealth pk2 edit will be banned

Lies.. apparently. :roll:

eendz0r · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 87 **Location:**

SRF fails again :banghead:

tedtwilliger · **Posted:** Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:55 am

Calico wrote:

Deacon wrote:

But everyone who uses the stealth pk2 edit will be banned

Lies.. apparently. :roll:

Agreed. Fudge admitted to using the pk2 edit, its even been sourced. Now lets re read what deacon said in this thread.

Deacon wrote:

We allow certain things of PK2. As we don't allow the Stealth modification..

But everyone who uses the stealth pk2 edit will be banned, look in ur PK2 files. They changed some stuff in our packets where they can see who uses the stealth hack. So yeah, we shall see

Unless fudge gets banned i want a fully justified response form either ryoko or SG himself explaining why Mr fudge should escape being banned. Is this not the same as the war or bots? Someone admits to botting and you ban them?

Same thing here friends. Fudge admitted to using the edit and should be banned for it. I dont care if you dont want him banned, rules are rules. And as quoted from Sg himself

SuicideGrl wrote:

***IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW LONG YOU'VE BEEN A MEMBER HERE. IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY POSTS YOU HAVE. IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN YOUR CIRCLE OF FRIENDS. IF YOU DO THESE THINGS, YOU ARE GONE. END OF STORY.***

I await your reply mods.

Casey613 · **Posted:** Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:56 am

To the thread starter: Because it isn't morally wrong.

MrBow · **Posted:** Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:15 am

tedtwilliger wrote:

Calico wrote:

Deacon wrote:

But everyone who uses the stealth pk2 edit will be banned

Lies.. apparently. :roll:

Agreed. Fudge admitted to using the pk2 edit, its even been sourced. Now lets re read what deacon said in this thread.

Deacon wrote:

We allow certain things of PK2. As we don't allow the Stealth modification..

But everyone who uses the stealth pk2 edit will be banned, look in ur PK2 files. They changed some stuff in our packets where they can see who uses the stealth hack. So yeah, we shall see

Unless fudge gets banned i want a fully justified response form either ryoko or SG himself explaining why Mr fudge should escape being banned. Is this not the same as the war or bots? Someone admits to botting and you ban them?

Same thing here friends. Fudge admitted to using the edit and should be banned for it. I dont care if you dont want him banned, rules are rules. And as quoted from Sg himself

SuicideGrl wrote:

***IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW LONG YOU'VE BEEN A MEMBER HERE. IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY POSTS YOU HAVE. IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN YOUR CIRCLE OF FRIENDS. IF YOU DO THESE THINGS, YOU ARE GONE. END OF STORY.***

I await your reply mods.

Lol Ted, Calico. Deacon was talking of being banned by Joymax, not SRF.

Quote:

They changed some stuff in our packets where they can see who uses the stealth hack. So yeah, we shall see

We can't change something in silkroad packets can we?
Take a chillpill....

Calico · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 244 **Location:**

Deacon wrote:

We allow certain things of PK2. As we don't allow the Stealth modification..

Sounds like he was talking about SRF to me.. unless he works for Joymax? I'm chill by the way.

tedtwilliger · **Posted:** Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:23 am

When joymax doesnt ban anyone in game why would they ban someone who PK2 edits? If hes refering to joymax is a very silly comment.

And if someone is using this hack why the hell aren't they being banned? edited: after searching i couldnt find the post i was referring to. Maybe a different mod posted it or i suck at searching. Disregard what was said. If he doesn't get banned what message are we saying to new generation players?

i demand justice

nightbloom · **Joined:** Jan 2006 **Posts:** 5492 **Location:**

I agree with Ted. He is admitting to using a malignant cheat, one that EVERYONE can agree is not cosmetic or harmless. It is intended as a cheat for PVP and no one uses it with any other intention.

MrBow · **Posted:** Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:54 am

Calico wrote:

Deacon wrote:

We allow certain things of PK2. As we don't allow the Stealth modification..

Sounds like he was talking about SRF to me.. unless he works for Joymax? I'm chill by the way.

First part was about SRF
Second part was about Joymax. *sigh*

MrBow wrote:

Quote:

They changed some stuff in our packets where they can see who uses the stealth hack. So yeah, we shall see

We can't change something in silkroad packets can we?

You guys agree we can't change any silkroad package, joymax can? ...

@Tedtwilliger
Yes ofcourse SRF is against stealth/invisible modification. There are however no rules (yet).

Moved to site discussion.

William-CL · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 7363 **Location:** N/A

nightbloom wrote:

I agree with Ted. He is admitting to using a malignant cheat, one that EVERYONE can agree is not cosmetic or harmless. It is intended as a cheat for PVP and no one uses it with any other intention.

Just like if a bot user admits to it, he gets banned. Only reason he should be allowed to stay is if he admitted to using it before it was an issue here and not allowed.

tedtwilliger · **Posted:** Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:22 am

Blackdragon6 wrote:

nightbloom wrote:

I agree with Ted. He is admitting to using a malignant cheat, one that EVERYONE can agree is not cosmetic or harmless. It is intended as a cheat for PVP and no one uses it with any other intention.

Just like if a bot user admits to it, he gets banned. Only reason he should be allowed to stay is if he admitted to using it before it was an issue here and not allowed.

If a botter botted before srf existed.. is he legit? no. Is this a legit forum? yes. Does this forum allow people who have once botted? no. Would he get banned? yes.

Same applies to mr fudge.

Super8 · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 119 **Location:**

Sum of thread:

MrFudge + stealth pk2 edit = CHEATING.

SRF + cheating = BAN.

mods + foolishness = no ban.

William-CL · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 7363 **Location:** N/A

tedtwilliger wrote:

Blackdragon6 wrote:

nightbloom wrote:

I agree with Ted. He is admitting to using a malignant cheat, one that EVERYONE can agree is not cosmetic or harmless. It is intended as a cheat for PVP and no one uses it with any other intention.

Just like if a bot user admits to it, he gets banned. Only reason he should be allowed to stay is if he admitted to using it before it was an issue here and not allowed.

If a botter botted before srf existed.. is he legit? no. Is this a legit forum? yes. Does this forum allow people who have once botted? no. Would he get banned? yes.

Same applies to mr fudge.

What if they didn't know botting was illegal? To be honest when I first starting playing mmo's I thought it was legal when they were posted ingame avertisements cause I thought that the Game company put them in. A friend of mine botted because he seen an ingame advertisement from a spam bot. If JM got rid of those, then ppl wouldn't know what sites to go to get bots. Anyway back to topic, Fudge should receive atleast some sort of punishment. Maybe not something as harsh as permanent ban(unless he still uses edit). Maybe something like a week or 2 ban? And then when official forum rules are updated we can show no remorse to those that break them.

Calico · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 244 **Location:**

MrBow wrote:

Calico wrote:

Deacon wrote:

We allow certain things of PK2. As we don't allow the Stealth modification..

Sounds like he was talking about SRF to me.. unless he works for Joymax? I'm chill by the way.

First part was about SRF
Second part was about Joymax. *sigh*

OK, I don't see how you can claim to not allow this edit if this guy doesn't get some sort of punishment. IMHO it's easily deserving of a permanent ban, and his excuse of "Well SRF didn't specify" is a very childish thing to say. It doesn't take a genius to realize that the stealth/invis hack gives you an unfair advantage over other players.

So now SRF has said specifically (even though they shouldn't have had to, common sense to know it's wrong.) and what if Fudge continues to use it? You have no way of knowing if he will ever take it off and keep it off.

ShadowSpell · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 884 **Location:**

MrFudge wrote:

Wait I'm gonna get banned because pk2 edit rules aren't well written out in these forums so i went out on my own to change like 5 numbers in the media pk2 to see ppl in invis weeks ago?
Lol if you didn't want anyone to do it then why even allow pk2 editing, its not my fault AT ALL that joymax didnt config it well. You can't ban people from SRF because of that because it's not our fault that invis/stealth isn't server side like ur gears, alchemy, HP/MP pot delay for euros, etc. You guys yourselves provided the tools that allowed me to even do it by sharing text string and code searching programs in the pk2 guide section. If you didn't want anyone to do it then just delete the pk2 editing guides on these forums and remove all the links that lead u to download those programs, cuz some of that stuff you all have guides for is harder to do than changing 5 to 6 numbers in the pk2.
:S
+1 to amelie.

Let say "Bob" goes to a hardware store and looks around, he decides to buy a normal hammer, when he gets home he takes that hammer next door and bashes the neighbors head in, when the police arrive he says "hey its the hardware stores fault, they provided me with this hammer".

SRF provided you with a tool ment to be used for good intentions and you use it for other then what it was ment for, SRF doesnt/shouldnt need to tell you whats right from wrong!!

cin · **Posted:** Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:54 pm

guys, fyi, its not like we allow people to cheat.

it's just that sometimes things have to be discussed by the mod team. one single mod
cannot make decisions on something new being a bannable offense or not. that's why no
measures have been taken yet, not because we allow people to cheat by editing their
pk2 files so that they can get an ingame advantage compared to other players. it's
almost certain that this matter will become a bannable offense, but since the system
upgrade we have a chance to hand out temporary bans as well.

so, for now just keep it calm, the matter is still being discussed.

thnx.

ShadowReaver · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 335 **Location:**

Sylhana wrote:

MrFudge wrote:

If you don't want it, remove the gateway drug.

= pk2 section.

I disagree. Pk2 editing has been supported by SRF even before I started browsing this forum. It has always been supported by the SRF community, and as such we as the forum staff team do our best to serve the SRF community. Why do a reversal now? When we first had euro update months ago, the assumption was that stealth/invisible was server sided and it couldnt be edited. Its only an issue now when someone finally wrote about it in a guide in another closed forum a few weeks ago. Although the information was posted publically in silkroadonline.net, it has since been removed. It isnt available anywhere else.

What we can do as a community, is to do our best to contain this information, as it is blatant form of cheating (regardless of the method). Dont encourage it, dont post it, dont make it available to anyone. Knowledge cannot be killed, sooner or later everyone and their dog will know about it and ask on how to do it, and everyone who is a rogue or a wizard or both would start crying if they havent already (cries in a corner). /back. Be responsible, if you know about it then dont use it, dont support the exploit, dont make it availble, and hope that JM will get around fixing it.

Amen.

Crumpets · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 7800 **Location:**

/VOTEBAN

MrBow · **Posted:** Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:08 pm

Notification: MrFudge received a 7 day forum ban.
Strongly recommended: use this topic to discuss PK2 editing and SRF.

Sh4dowwarrior · **Posted:** Fri May 02, 2008 1:54 pm

ThatBluePerson wrote:

Also editing their map to add unique spawn locations, that gives unfair advantage...

Just look onthe internet for spawn points.... and most people know unique spawns anyways =\

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