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 Post subject: Hybrid int sword/nuke
PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 3:09 pm 
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Would this build work? (for a level 70 although i may never get there)

Bicheon: level 40
- blood blade level 11
- Stab? (possibly skip)
- Passive level 4

Heuksal: level 30
- passive level 3 (worth it?)

Fire: level 70
- Soul fire force max
- Fire sheild emperor max ( can someone explain exactly what this does)
- Flame wave burning maxed, 1 point in other 2

Lightning: level 70
- force piercing max
- Grass walk speed max
- Phantom walk level 1
- Heaven lion shout level 1
- concentration level 1
- Tigers thunderbolt max

This is kind of an out line. At level 40 i will probably aim to have level 30 bicheon and the fire and light will be as high as i can put them (depends on my gap). The things i need to decide are:
1. How much str to add and what my mag balance should be naked ( about 90%?)
2. If it is worth getting flower bloom blade as it may be a better idea to kd them if they get close and then get far away to nuke them again when they get up.
3. How high to get bicheon as i'm not planning on going crazy on the farming ( i'm farming 25k-30k @ lvl 16 right now then i'm planning on keeping a low gap until level 30 when i will keep it at about 3). If i have a 50% chance of kd someone of my level, how badly will it be affected by someone who is 10 levels higher?


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If ur going hybrid means ur gonna use some Sword skill or spear skill in pvm or pvp...however getting both to 30 will make ur hybrid especially weak.. u lack sword skill and ur dmg of ur nuke is weak compare to pure int...therefore it will never really work

u need to get ur sword or spear skill to the 60s .... 68 if ur sword and 63 if ur spear
Sword u need to get the 3rd book of stab
Spear u need to get the last passive and the lvl 63 ghost spear 3rd book

Btw Shout does very little dmg if ur 2:1 int hybrid...... therefore i dun recommend shout ..... lighting nuke is strong so is the bk 2 of fire...all in all u can choose either spear or sword for ur hybrid path..... :)

FYI .... a Sword/Shield hybrid without KD/Stab is like having a can of food without a can opener =x

I can't say much about Spear hybrid but u can check the sticky SucidicalGal have a nice built for that or u can check kitary built as well for sword/shield they rox ^_^

Anyway... ur fire and Light lvl 70 planning is fine

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:04 pm 
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Trekker wrote:
FYI .... a Sword/Shield hybrid without KD/Stab is like having a can of food without a can opener =x


I'm pretty sure i included that but ok. My intentions to go hybrid are questionable, i'm not doing it for the phys damage, i'm doing it for the defence and health. My main question is whats the chance of that level of kd knocking down lets say a level 55. I'm not going 2:1 hybrid, again please read what i wrote.


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Ya i did read u have Kd but the Kd i meant was getting to at least book 2 of Kd and Stab

If ur doing this for def and health...its not gonna work ...due 2 this reason

1st ) lvl 30 swordmanship will give u the book 1 kd which is bascially low dmg stab... it will not punch a hole in any str built or int built..... and yes a lvl 18 kd will still be able to kd a lvl 55 char..but the chances is like 1/6

2nd)Ur not maxiing the potentinal of a Hybrid... lvl 30 spear give u only 300+ hp ....u wont get anything wif tat at higher lvl

3rd) If ur doing this for Def... u need to get cold mastery up as well for the phy def..without this mastery u will still have a chance to get 1 hit by pure str glaive

All in All ur built will only work in PVM and will never work in pvp ..sorry for my harsh word in this post since ur asking opinion on lvl 70 built i share some of my experience when i pvp and pvm

Just my 2cent

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:38 pm 
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again i don't think your getting the point in my build and what i'm asking for help on. The sheild is there for a bit of extra defence and the block (will be a lifesaver for a low health build). I'm getting level 3 passive basically because i can, it gets expensive to get to 40 and beyond + eventually i will get bicheon to 60 and then heuksal to 60 also.

1) I take your point on this that is why i asked the question. If i get bicheon to at least 41 to get book 2 kd how will this fair against level 55-60s?

2) Hybrid was questionable. I have explained why i'm not getting past 30 atm

3) Cold mastery again means wasted mastery as my ultimate goal will be 90 light 90 fire 60 heuksal 60 bicheon. Unless it is worth it going 90-90-60-30cold-30heuksal or ignoring the heuksal and going cold


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:03 pm 
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he is looking for ideals from someone actually reading his post :banghead:

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IMHO forget the Hueksal. There is NO mastery worth the SP and mastery levels just to get the passive. Also you don't need it. Hueksal has that passive because they don't have as much defense. Sword users have a shield. Not only does this give you a chance to block you also get: additional phys defense, additional magic defense, 1 more piece of equip to add str and int too, and the ability to reduce the # of times you get hit with a crit.

For bicheon the only skills you MUST get and keep up are KD, stab, and passive. Chains are nice for PvE only. Imbue + billow chain kills mobs 1 lvl higher than me. I will probably get rid of chains when I get 2nd book Kd and stab.

Add the cold. Get the passive, ice shield, and frost nova. I have stopped at 30 for now. May increase it in the future.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:29 am 
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why not get heaksal?

more hp the better + a bonus of using a shield


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:45 am 
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Brutish1 wrote:
IMHO forget the Hueksal. There is NO mastery worth the SP and mastery levels just to get the passive. Also you don't need it. Hueksal has that passive because they don't have as much defense. Sword users have a shield. Not only does this give you a chance to block you also get: additional phys defense, additional magic defense, 1 more piece of equip to add str and int too, and the ability to reduce the # of times you get hit with a crit.

For bicheon the only skills you MUST get and keep up are KD, stab, and passive. Chains are nice for PvE only. Imbue + billow chain kills mobs 1 lvl higher than me. I will probably get rid of chains when I get 2nd book Kd and stab.

Add the cold. Get the passive, ice shield, and frost nova. I have stopped at 30 for now. May increase it in the future.


Thanks thats a helpfull reply and i will probably do that


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 1:53 am 
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I would do:

70 Sword
68 Light
70 Fire
Your Choice of Cold or Force :D

Just my Opinion

The More Block from the Sword Passive is much better than the HP boost from Spear skills


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 2:27 am 
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hybrids are versatile, do the heaksal passive also, if later down the road u wanna do spear skills ;)


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I wont be taking sword up to 70 since the passive ends @ 60 anyway. The blocking ratio i agree will help but getting heuksal up to lvl 30 won't cost much sp. I have to decide between cold and heuksal really and cold looks alot better as if i end up getting enough sp later on i can lvl cold up to get book 2 nuke.


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I say avoid the Hueksal if ONLY getting the passive. The sp and mastery levels can be better used at other places in the build. Especially near cap. Later in the game the extra 300 hp don't make a huge difference.

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isight wrote:
I wont be taking sword up to 70 since the passive ends @ 60 anyway. The blocking ratio i agree will help but getting heuksal up to lvl 30 won't cost much sp. I have to decide between cold and heuksal really and cold looks alot better as if i end up getting enough sp later on i can lvl cold up to get book 2 nuke.


You should try to get sword up to 70 cuz u get more damage when a str gets close i.e. knockdowns and the crazy triple down stabs you can do when the server doesnt lag


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