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2 warriors 3 wizards 2 bard 1 cleric...
we raped at generals last night

A Full Euro Pt will die because they are all dependent on each other except all warrior/clerics

Best combo is mix of both races believe it or not

6/8 Chinese with glavie or spear (best for big group pvp
1/8 warlock/cleric
1/8 warrior/cleric

all is self sufficient. Chinese just attack same person together. warlock and Warrior team up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3cSWvCrd-c
warlock and warrior team up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxtxMWr0DaQ
china + cleric

My level 4 pure int owns your party easily.

You've obviously never seen a full Euro party playing correctly then.

Warrior as 40k+ HP when buffed, and they have at least one cleric keeping them healed. Cleric is buffed by warrior buffs rerouting the damage they take. Wizards also have said buffs. The bards then have MORE buffs up which NEGATES a total % of the damage (about 60% now) AND they increase the damage output of the wizards.

3 people hitting for 50k+ against Chinese = ???

+1

Indeed a mix of both races makes a better pt.
sure full euro pt is great and all..they support one another
but a mix of both Chinese with euro clerics its even better.

i used to think clerics pt owns...
Till Warlock's 3 Targets 100% Hidden came.
8 * Hidden = dead any build. Hidden is Absolute too.
Just not sure if other player can cast hidden on when Hidden is ALREADY on.

I lol'd. How do you stop 8 people phantom walking ontop of your wizzard one hitting it?? Or 8 spread out bows spamming kb until your wizard dies? What you've seen are probably a bunch of noobs who don't know how to use their char.



Who's hitting a chinese char for 50k? Maybe if you have someone de-buffing said char. Yet you realize a mixed pt has buffs of their own..right? People are so blinded they expect their full euro pt to be the best no matter what. Have you every faught a mixed pt with the same skill and gear as you? I seriously doubt it. So how can you judge how good they'll be??

tldr
In-game experience > forum chess-style fights.

orly ?

Well ask me this; what does a Chinese character bring to a party? Every Euro character except for a rogue, brings party buffs to the party. And of course they'd be debuffed if you had a warlock in the party; hence Euro party. Even if they didn't have a warlock, meteor says hi, and it generally doesn't give you a chance to respond back.

Before people start going on more about Chinese in a party, actually play a COMPLETE FUNCTIONAL Euro party. (hint: won't happen on most servers) THEN come and talk about it.

In-game experience > forum style chess indeed. Guess what I have?

I've tried this myself. 1 vs 1. It was pure damage testing. No one bothering us.

Lvl 73 Full farmed Wizz with LC Wit 72+5 Staff.
Meteor on a lvl 71 7:1 int Chinese. She lives... no Snow Shield... Her Garms were pimped tho... No SoX... No euro buffing her...
Tried it twice when she has full hp. =\

I was shocked in disbelieve...

As such, I believe a Hybrid STR Glavie chinese Euro buffed will bring more chaos than any euro... In war..

All the other pt has to do is kill a portion of euro pt then it all falls apart, when a warrior/bard dies his support buffs go with him. For a euro pt to be any good none of them has to die or else its too late

If your fighting against a euro pt all the other pt has to do is kill their support char, cleric or warrior, then their pt is dead. On the other hand Chinese are SELF-SUFFICIENT. They are battle ready and good to go whenever and doesn't have to rely on each other.

you play sro? your pt will die twice as fast as any euro pt ever will.... cuz if you pt right... no1 should be dieing
also i am sure we are talking about grinding...

look at that pt.
It has so much stun in it that no one will be able to even get an attack off
yes i play sro... My guild owns fortress?

got exp in a euro pt on ur euro char? or just plvled it

for a fast group pvp... wouldnt a full 8pt of warlock/cleric be best?

stun everyone, then all use shadow armor for absolute damage + trap then each take turns using pure offering till they all dead

possible...but will it hold up in fw?

:S you only need 1 person to group ress while rest is stun/sleeping/kb....
and offering can take out entire pt if no one has a shield or is really buffed up but the dots/absolute damages/traps would take care of that

Change 1 wiz to a warlock and you should rape even harder.
A lock = a lot more zerking not to mention that debuffed pt giants should go down faster.

Warrior dies, cleric resses. Cleric dies, wizard switches to sub, resses cleric. Wizard dies, cleric resses etc etc. Ain't so doom and gloom when you break it down buddy.

Try to get all those warriors/clerics and then get them coordinated...

Well assuming everyone in the pt is coordinated, I guess it would be the best for pvp.

Oh, and trying to kill a euro in a party is really hard considering warrior buffs + bless cycle.

Probabilities shouldn't be added up, but it seems like a pretty effective party for guild wars, or killing outside the gates at fortress wars, but for pvp its just boring.

Experiance.

Dipsticks saying chinese with cleric buffs are better are in for a big surprise. As necrobat said, try it. In fact I can get some videos of it, if you want proof that chinese with cleric ANDDDD warrior buffs are still better then a functional euro party your just dumb. It happens all the time on venus, most of the time with not even a full party against a bunch of dumb chinese with NO CAPED cleric's and warriors.

In-game experience > forum style chess indeed. Guess what I have?[/quote]

All the other pt has to do is kill a portion of euro pt then it all falls apart, when a warrior/bard dies his support buffs go with him. For a euro pt to be any good none of them has to die or else its too late

If your fighting against a euro pt all the other pt has to do is kill their support char, cleric or warrior, then their pt is dead. On the other hand Chinese are SELF-SUFFICIENT. They are battle ready and good to go whenever and doesn't have to rely on each other.[/quote]
Warrior dies, cleric resses. Cleric dies, wizard switches to sub, resses cleric. Wizard dies, cleric resses etc etc. Ain't so doom and gloom when you break it down buddy. [/quote]

ok
we are talking about a mix of both races on a pt...so warrior dies/wizard dies/glavier dies/bower dies/ cleric ress them all???

I bet some of you that post here are nowhere near cap. (not saying that you have to be high lvl) but u all just post because u THINK its the best pt. period/ and yet lack game experience to see how well a pt of both mix races/or just a full euro pt works.

All the other pt has to do is kill a portion of euro pt then it all falls apart, when a warrior/bard dies his support buffs go with him. For a euro pt to be any good none of them has to die or else its too late

If your fighting against a euro pt all the other pt has to do is kill their support char, cleric or warrior, then their pt is dead. On the other hand Chinese are SELF-SUFFICIENT. They are battle ready and good to go whenever and doesn't have to rely on each other.[/quote]
Warrior dies, cleric resses. Cleric dies, wizard switches to sub, resses cleric. Wizard dies, cleric resses etc etc. Ain't so doom and gloom when you break it down buddy. [/quote]

ok
we are talking about a mix of both races on a pt...so warrior dies/wizard dies/glavier dies/bower dies/ cleric ress them all???

I bet some of you that post here are nowhere near cap. (not saying that you have to be high lvl) but u all just post because u THINK its the best pt. period/ and yet lack game experience to see how well a pt of both mix races/or just a full euro pt works.[/quote]
Buddy, before I stopped playing in February, I had a Lv72 cleric. SO check yoru facts before you try personal attacks on people.

Secondly, what I ask of you, is what does a Chinese bring to the party that a Euro already doesn't? Add on top of that, that every Euro except for rogues, have party buffs. A Chinese in a party with Euros is a DETRIMENT, NOT an improvement.

Well the problem is that the God Fly and the Godess Nightbloom posted an "ideal" party build.

Just try out, don't stick to their rules, try running a full int party (tried it, if it works lols to the XP that you get). If you do a big trade, take a chinese blader with force with you...... But I'm sick and tired of players not allowing players in parties because it screws the party up. They prefer not partying for 3 days because they really need a 2nd bard because they told them it's the best party build... Take in a 3rd tanker if there is really no wizzie that wanna join, or a warlock, or a blader. A party is always better than soloing even if some players are too high level or a bit too low according to the standards.

Chinese aren't wanted, because they lower the EXP gained. Force can't res to cap, so it's not wanted. And anything a Chinese does in a party, a Euro does better and brings buffs. OH NOES.

And yes, Fly and nightbloom's party WORKS. I have tried different builds, but none is more effective I have found, in both PvE and PvP, then 2 warriors, 3 wizards (or 2 wizards and a warlock), 2 bards and 1 cleric. Experienced.

Now go to your server and experience that. (oh wait, can't on most... HMMM...)

So if you can't fill up a party with the ideal build, what are you doing?

Waiting for 3 days or take another player in and start a party even if it isn't the best party? It's always better than soloing. And really, try stuff out. I tried full int parties, 1 warlock, 2 very good clerics, 5 wizzies.....

And yes, excepted Venus you can't party, if you're so lucky that your build fits in the party system

If I didn't get the exact amounts, I made compromises. Only thing I didn't budge on really was two warriors at least.

Only ones who are arguing with necro are plvl'd nubs. Your just plain retarded if you think a chinese is ANY good with euro's, they're not. Only thing they're good for is hammering away in FW because they can't do any damage at all compared to buffed euro's.

And Ragnorak, thats not true. Thats just it, a fully buffed up party CAN NOT BE KILLED BY CHINESE. NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY. You simply can not do enough damage. You take one out, the entire party doesn't die. You lose a few buffs, but then you've got about 3 seconds to kill the other 7 people before the cleric (or warrior or whoever died) is alive again.



Where on earth did you ever get the idea that its "Fly and nightbloom's party". Your dumb. Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb. Please think before posting, its a good habit to obtain.

Ok 1st of I want to make sure u all know i'm not talking about euro grind pt,,,thats what they are good for party grind.

2nd why is it that you all seem to think i'm talking about euro vs Chinese
ok, fine a chinese won't kill a the whole euro pt, then let a warrior do it or a wizard do it and chinese spam spam emperor, sss and a bower spam kb. with no pot delay a Chinese buff with euro/bless/skins/cleric constant healing, chinese spamming HP pots+vigors will last longer then just and ALL euro pt with there pot delay.