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Oh God the hypocrisy. Are we also ignoring everything else that was posted in this thread? Who cares about bard buffs and the fences for your wizards? With Turnover on, they are one shotted by overheal, whether the warriors are under immolation or not. Secondly, the 8 man party of warrior/clerics doesn't even need to bother with fences, so switching to cleric isn't an isue at all. They have 24/7 bless, and 2 sets of screens each that they'll be putting on each other. Under cleric, they also gain the ability to block, a defense passive [light armor], a bonus from buffing each other with phys/mag def, and int and str all ontop of the bless and screens.

Disruption will help a lot, especially the kbing from the wizards, but it only takes 2 to simultaneously overheal the wizard [assuming he was intelligent enough not to use turnover] to drop one, which immediately frees up more to kill off whatever other wizards are left.

ITT: People are sticking too much to the euro party model. The 8 man warrior/cleric party isn't said to be the best 8 party in terms of kill speed, efficiency, or even utilizing all the euro builds to their fullest; the point is that it's the most durable euro party and a bitch to take out in pvp oriented situations.

Sorry for butting in:

There are 8 warriors, and as you know each of them can give all their buffs to two people max (except for screens?). That's a total of 16 possible people buffed, so there are more than enough quotas and fences to give out. In the moment one of the warriors take out his/her cleric rod, the buffs that disappear can be easily replaced by another warrior who has spare quotas and fences to give. If possible, as it is most likely, the cleric can also be given screens for extra protection, on top of the two blesses that are cycled.

The buffed up wizard can be countered, though not easily, by casting the all-so-slow Overheal. To ensure the kill, a second warrior can switch to cleric as well. A third can also join in. Perhaps even a fourth? By this time, not only do the 4+ remaining warriors have two blesses stacked, fences, quotas, skins, and maybe screens too, but also cleric buffs.

What can defeat this 8/8 Warrior/Cleric party? I haven't put too much thought into it but it sure is not the ideal 8/8 Euro PvE party.

EDIT: FaintSmile beat me to it. -.-"

Congrats. You killed him only to have him res straight in front of you again. Because that overheal achieved so much.

Good luck getting it off with warriors in your face and wizards nuking and KB you.

On an unrelated note, why aren't you banned again? it's obvious who you are...

Accoding to your logic than no parties are good because anyone who dies can be ressed...

Yes it did achieve something. Since the wizards won't actually be killing the warrior clerics, all they'll be doing is trying to kb them for the sake of keeping their own party alive. 3 seconds of a dead wizard is 3 seconds for the rest of the w/c party to overheal your cleric, and your other cleric. This will end up having another party member needing to switch to their sub, which will most likely be dropping something; be it your bard, or warriors; opening up more vurnerability for your party.


TL;DR
Lets just make this easier; the 8 man w/c party isn't going to die, a couple might, but not the entire party. The "ideal" euro party build isn't going to kill it. There's only one option left; stalemate [ah, the lovely famed immolation fight], or for the w/c party to win.

On an unrelated note; go put your ban thread together in exposed botters then. Go find proof of the fact that I either still bot, do bot, or finding a post of me outright stating who I am. I don't care, you'll just be wasting your time whether I get banned or not.

TY Gwen, and Prophet for saving me trouble in not posting.

But on the real, I really hope this doesn't inspire anyone, I would hate to be on the opposite side of this PT.

EDIT: I'm Sure its now case closed.

Personally, I'd take a fuctional euro party over some crap 8 War/cleric party ANY DAY. Why? Because
IT CAN NOT BE COORDINATED.

No group of 8 people can possibly coordinate this, I doubt avalon could actually coordinate it to be "the perfect party", EVERY party has a weakness somehow. There's no such thing as a "best" party.

All there is to it.

Ventrilo much?

Besides, silkroad really doesn't take much skill. This party is also very forgiving due to the rediculous survivability of it. All it takes is a lil practice and you're good to go. On top of that, our server, Troy, is damn near all 2h warrior / cleric when it comes to euros; it has become the new glaiver build. Putting a party like this together be pretty easy.

[Mind you, we also have the "perfect" euro parties. Just because Avalon is the only one renowned for their euro partying since they throw them selves into the public light so much, doesn't mean other servers don't. It's a simple game concept.]

You don't have to be that cooperative. Them casting it not at the same time, but with a slight delay(1~3 seconds) doesn't have a huge effect on over healing.

In fact having the 8 over healing not casted at the same time makes it turn out even better. More constant damage. Those that say that a party filled with over healing is fail.. you probably never witnessed over healing in action by multiple people.

That is assuming they will successfully cast over healing.
There are only three possible outcomes:
1]Stalemate.
2]Classic European PvP Party Wins.
3]W/C Party wins.

You're too naive.
You're just trying to bash down a black man's idea of perfection.
OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT!!

Okay then.. Let's take this scenario...

8 pure str clerics in light armor and using only over heal.
The 'ideal' euro party. (I dunno what it is..? 2wizards, 2 int bards, 2 warriors, 2 int clerics?) Somewhere rogue will replace one of them?

Okay let's say wizards do indeed use only the splash to kb, but it won't knock back all of them. They would target a cleric first. One of the two clerics would die nearly instantly then the other. Then the party would drop since they won't get any res. I don't see why you're denying the fact that this party is literally the best party that the game could have. Not, because they can stay alive, but the fact they will always do <insert dmg number here> no matter what the other team's defense.

Like I said don't believe me? Try and gather it up and see. I'm sure Avalon can gather two parties like that up.

You need to hire a cuban coordinator.

No fücking way!!! I thought it went to extra time then penalties.

That fact that you don't know how a European party works makes having this discussion with you pointless.

2 warriors 2 wizards 1 cleric 2 bards 1 warlock

That is only the basics, you can go farther by adding subclasses and specifying builds.

2 Warrior (1h/2h/DA)/Clerics
1 Wizard/Cleric with 10 warrior mastery
1 Wizard/Bard
1 Hybrid Warlock/Wizard with 10 warrior mastery
1 Hybrid Cleric/Warlock with 10 warrior mastery
1 Bard/Wizard
1 Hybrid Bard/Cleric with 10 warrior mastery

You won't do a thing against my party. It is a true stalemate. You can't kill what requires 3 (yes 3) absolutes, especially with their slow cast time. This means you have to make 3 designate one person; waste of resources and time. The warlock doesn't have to be in perpetual lock mod. One Cleric (that doesn't bloody spam) is more than sufficient. With sub-clerics all over the map we will never be short of classes. The way I have set up the subclasses and builds makes this party an Unstoppable Force. The warriors will never have to use their cleric subclass unless everyone in the party dies, at which point they should delete their characters because they are terrible warriors (or they can cast group res).

@KneeGrow, Like NO WAI! me toooo.

On an unrelated not, why is it you always go to a bot accusation when your argument goes south? Prove that this party is no better than an "ideal" euro party.

And back to what this topic is about..
Even if you prove he is a remade account, it doesn't change the fact that this party is very useful, that this party can be the best. And by the way, there really is no "ideal party," an "ideal party" is one with survivability, one that stands above the rest. Even if it is all warrior with a cleric subclass, it works, and you can't argue that it doesn't unless you have attempted it. This is all theoretical, it could fail much, or it can, in fact, turn out to be one of the best party formations available.

The party succeeds in near impenetrable defense. As for offense, well it's offense has holes. >_>

OffT: I don't think a cappped player would be botting but a remake is a remake

This against the 8/8 warrior/cleric pt would be fun. All we need is a tennis ball, like a fully buffed blader or something.

Your saying as if absolute damage is the only skills they have...
May I remind you daredevil can 1 skill a all your ints anyways?

I'm sorry that I don't know your 'ideal' party, but that doesn't mean I don't know how euro characters work.

Btw one cleric would drop easily if there is 8 over heals available. Again I did agree that is may be slow, but it's fast enough if as a group of 2 or more. Only 1 is actually needed to kill an int(Excluding hyb spear) without a cleric on the side. That single cleric would be targeted by all eight over heal users, because of that he would drop easily.

Like I said don't believe me? Try and get Avalon's union to pull a party like this together. I'm sure they can do it, but in Troy it wouldn't be possible. There is no actual 'ideal' party in Troy.

I'm pretty sure you don't know jack about over heal. You just don't use one book you don't need more than two users to kill an int. Only one is needed, because of the lacking hp. That is of course vigor isn't used. If vigor is used then you would need more than one.

@Your above post. It's offense doesn't have holes, because it will always do <insert number> no matter what the defense is on the other team. The only 'hole' would be the lacking exact timing, but it won't be needed since it would be

<2 vs 2>

7800 dmg casted
zomfgz the other guys is trying to do something, but the same time another 7800 is casted.
Other dude is trying to do another skill omfgz the cleric did 9800 and another 9800 is casted during his new attack.

Then they move onto the second guy. That fight would be over if it is an int character or euro str. Why str euros? Lack of potting.

I still can't believe that you're still denying that this party is indeed the 'best' party that could exist. It won't be the best against monsters, but pvp it is.

Edit: About the 10 warrior mastery thing. It won't matter if they can't knock back all of them. Two over heals is only needed to kill the cleric.

<Remeber it goes 1st 2nd 1st book. There is a 2nd or two delay before casting the 2nd book again.> I dunno if you're thinking just one book, but it seems so.

[quote="KneeGrow"][quote="Barotix"]

The party succeeds in near impenetrable defense. As for offense, well it's offense has holes. >_>

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Just went to mmosite and the books would cast 7925 and 8422. Was close on one of the books, but won't make a difference. Let's not forget the 2nd book does attack 3 people.

You didn't bother looking at my party and you're blind to the flaws in your party. Pointless chess-like discussion is pointless. I admit, your party won't be easily toppled but it's offense is lacking. Whether you see this or not is not a concern, I just want you to know this. The generic party has hole in it's defense, I remedied these holes in my party. To make the best party or the most formidable party in PvP (not PvE), you must be ready to make compromises. My Party is ready to go, I can't say the same for yours.

I didn't ignore it. I just didn't felt the need to include the shield trash. Why? If they switch they're not attacking. If they're not attacking they're not preventing shield trash once they used it.

Edit: I'm done trying to prove the 'best' party that could ever exist in sro. You and almost everyone else fails to realize the potential of over healing with 8 people.

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Ok, you didn't ignore; you just didn't understand.

I did understand, but you're failing to realize if they're just shield trashing they're delaying the attacks of theirs and not actually trying to kill anything. Your party is fail if they cannot kill. Also read the edit of mine.

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Nope, the shield trash is a standard most shield using classes have. You didn't understand my party, especially if you think it relies on *cough* shield trash (only requires a shield).

Okay then explain what your party can do that could actually stop all eight over heals and kill half the clerics.

Remeber to stop all eight. Not delay the casting on half, but stopping all eight.

Stall them by cycling KB&Stun while over healing them. The fact that your party can't effectively "hold" the enemy party to compensate for the horrid cast time of over heal is what makes yours weaker than my own. I can take out two warriors at a time while holding the rest (if not all). 3 Hybrids Overhealing, 3 wizards holding the entire party. Since you rely on absolute damage the only way to counter your party is by fighting your medicine with better medicine. My party is built for adaptation.

Mmm.. I won't lie or deny that this party would stop more than half the over healings, but it still won't be able to kill the party. That fight would pretty much be.. not pointless, but pointless. I can't really say that my party would win nor your's because that healing orbit is based of cleric rod+passives.

The three over heals comming from your party isn't enough to kill one of the str clerics. Why? Orbit+party heal would be casted. The party I mentioned might kill, but the clerics would res.

Fight = retarded, but the question is.. how organized would the parties be?

However would be nice to watch how that would work out.

SO by that I assume you play in troy. Which according to you, means you've never played in a proper party. So how would you know what a proper party can do? You may have absolute dmg, but have you forgotten that there's a CLERIC, who can heal about 10k HP per second and a half? I don't think your going to kill anything with silly overhealing. You would have to time it to the exact second, and it would take 4 to kill a buffed warrior.

Besides, a good wiz can hit 25k on a warrior easily. Pretty sure that combined with a bards booming wave is gonna them warriors apart. AOE is your friend, which warriors do NOT have. Picking them off one at a time is not gonna work.

PS: Yuck @ baro's party, to many hybrids and odd subs, lawl XD. Looks to confusing. =p

wow this reminds me of the old guild wars noob pvp/gvg/hoh foolishness. . .


"8 Healing Hands warriors GO!'

"8 lightning chain eles GO!'

"8 trapping rangers GO!"

"8 searing flames eles GO". . .oh wait that actually worked for a while cause a.net farked up the skills...scratch that example