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This thread is getting argumentitive. Tone it down and communicate points without attacks, or I'll have to close.

You have finally prooved your point Biggie. With the rings % reduce and other stuff like that, I come to the conclusion that I will probably opt for fire.

But then again, I will be needing those items so that I don't get frozen... Now that can be a problem since I don't know which to get and how to get.

If you could help me on this one, I'd really appreciate it.

im gonna write a guide with all the info on how to get the best leveling and pvp power out of the 4 best builds. it might take me a day ro 2 to write it so stay tuned, in the meantime, continue farming and you will be plsaed with the end effect.



thing is, if your build is not good in leveling, it will suck in pvp. this game is based on levels. a low level will never enjoy pvp no matter how much he tries.



yeah i understand that. thing is, im trying to help the low levels here to try to win because winning (weather u admit it or not) is the best feeling there is in a competitive game. those people who play to have fun should still have a build that is able to level and pvp at a good rate since i doubt its fun killing the same mob over and over at a slow speed. and its also no fun being level 19 for a year.



i have no idea what you said so let me try and reply to the parts that do make a little bit of sence.

seems your saying that only bladers can have good status reduce? thats not true. the fire shild buff works without a shild. geting those types of rings is not hard. on my level 57 i have rings level 4x and 52. neckless level 4x and earings level 4x. the only stats that really matter are the reduce so i keep those thigns around untill i find a higher level drop with better stats.

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flaming? im sorry for helping low level people out. if u dont like it, ill go somewhere else. im sure there are alot of people who would like help geting there builds right. but i guess you speak for everyone here.

in that case, good luck people. seems im not needed here. ill go help some people who understand the value of knowledge and countless hours of trial and error.

When I'm done farming, do I go for all in fire? and like 12 mastery in lightning for grass-walk?

And uhm, I'm at 7000 sp right now, I'll get to 10k in about 2-3 days, is that enough? Because since I'm only going to use 2 mastery, Bicheon and Fire, it shouldn't require as much SP.

Oh, and I can always leave a 2-3 level gap between my mastery and level so that I still get some SP while leveling.

i'm glavie/fire. lvl 21 and sp farming with about 3.7k

my ratio is about 2STR:1INT.

now i'ma try to go all STR.

biggie's strat sounds good and therefore i will probably go with it. wait, so biggie, since you use fire. do you have ALL of the skills? the fire shield and fire wall?

i really don't get the purpose of firewall.

i should get the lighting grasswalk to ruN?

now what about upgrading the force mastery to 10 so i can get the extra MP boost.

the heuksal spear series goes to three books. this series is almost identical to the ghost spear attack series. however, the ghost spear attack series only goes to TWO books. so should i just go ahead and upgrade all of the heuksal spear series, and leave the ghost spear alone? because, the first two books of the ghost spear is stronger than the first two books of the heuksal, but it doesn't have a third book, making it weaker in the end.

oh, and if you would, could you PM me about how you can level grind quickly? i heard something about luring a bunch of green mobs all at once and then one hit kill. not sure if this is effective or not.

point proven by the last 2 posts. people here clearly see the value of trial and error and want to learn from it.



yeah going all str from now on will help you alot.





no, dont get firewall. its pretty useless, that and the nuke. everything else has a purpose tho.



YES. grasswalk is great.

think bout this, you spend 4 sec killing a mob, and 8 sec running to the next one. if u can turn that into 4 sec running, u will level TWICE as fast.



thats a waste. the extra is hardly noticable.



thats gonna take a while to explain and im rushed right now. tomarrow ill post and explain it.



yup. as for me, im doing this: max elvel in the end is planed to be 150. with 300 masteries my build goes: 150 blade, 100 fire, 50 lighting.

that will get my run really high, my blade will be great, and the fire will be very usefull.



thats true. you also have alot of time to sp farm at later levels or when u hit the cap. u can stop farming if u want.



i go for a 1-2 level gap since i like to level then sp farm at the cap, but a 3 level gap works great if u dont mind puting in extra grinding time.

thanks for the info Fly (am i the only one to read your sig) - I will put it to good use

looking forward to your thoughts on the spear series as well as the upcoming grinding guide (he says with fingers crossed)

jw, where did you get that info? i've heard other ones that say 90 will be the cap


but i think that in the long run.. SRO would be boring as hell if everyone had those 4 builds... what would be the fun in fighting an exact duplicate of yourself?

also.. do you know if there is any real difference in the dmg that the nukes do?

edit: i was just thinking again. and im just gonna put my thoughts down here.

this game is long from finished.. theres going to be europe, islam and heaven added (supposedly)... so i have a feeling that theres going to be a bunch of change.

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so what happens when you meet a lvl 60 ice person?

Not to nitpick or anything... oh wait I am nitpicking

Anyhow taking 4 seconds to kill and 8 seconds to find something = 12 seconds. Speeding up the finding time to 4 seconds makes 8 seconds.

8 seconds is not twice as fast as 12 seconds. But then again, that's message board math for you.

lol im not the best math person so i guess your right, but leveling 1.3rd times faster is still amazing.



in korea they are already planning the cap to be raise to 100 very shortly. its currently 90 there.



consider that these builds each have a specilized area where they excel in. the nukers do damage, the bladers tank, the archers also do dage and the glaivers also tank.

also consider that with europe there will be 3 or 4 MORE builds that are the "best". same for islam. with 12 bulds that are much better then the rest, you will find tons of people to fight without fighting duplicates of yourself.



you dont :p

Then what's the point of making your character freeze-proof? :P

Both sides have valid points. Your all too passionate about this.

True. Not everyone picked a cookiecutter build. And some like me, screwed up, and do not have the time to re-roll.

These are people who need help with what they wanted, or they originally picked; all the same as those looking to own.



I never thought you would addess anyone like this, even if you had a good point. I will say - I am very dissapointed.

My carebear world I am building here, has been destroyed.

I have zero patience for insults from people with oversized e-peens. My apologies, Ryoko. I won't mar your forums.

Patience is a virtue.

Its not always what people say, its how people say it, and who is affected by it.

Ok, so the original question is: Is cold or fire better for a pure STR blade user in PVP?

Before we get into anything else, there're the two obvious things to think about:

1. Fire has higher overall damage, as well as the physical damage buffs which benefit strength users.
2. Cold has lower overall damage, but has a chance to freeze / slow the opponent, thus lowering their damage output and possibly interrupting their attacks.

Biggie's first comment is: "cold is NOTHING like what ppl make it out to be. cold can be cured by a pill. a fire guy can use "fire shild" skill to make freeze have no effect."

For starters, pills won't prevent you from being frozen. They will remove the effect, but that's already after you've been slowed and/or your attack has been stopped.

As Biggie also mentioned, freeze effects can be nullified. This we know. However, it doesn't nullify the damage, and the likelyhood of every player on the server being immune to freezing is unlikely (which is later pointed out by woutR), espeically with the "lack of level 60 ice players".

As phrostbtye pointed out, "beleive it or not, cold does actually do damage." As has been pointed out above, fire does more damage. However, this does not prevent cold from also doing damage.

To this, Biggie responds with a post that looks, smells, sounds, and by all accounts is an e-peen flex, saying something to the effect that you can choose from one of four builds, or you're simply wrong. Whoops? I don't see any justification here. There is no statistical backup, no explanation, simply a list and a "the koreans did it so it must be awesome".

There's a bit more discussion going on, after which Biggie makes the comment, "so what ur saying is that ud rather slow the enemy down instead of killing them?" This is a logical fallacy and an attempt to belittle the opposing viewpoint and force his own across. As has been previously addressed, the additional damage from fire is greater than cold, but is by no means enough of a difference to make cold do "no damage".

At this point, woutR makes a good point: "I am not argueing with the fact that fire does more damage , it does more damage than any other force. BUT with ice you slow a fire down , so fire dps will be less than w/o the freeze , if the freeze dmg is aprox 10 % lower it can make up by freezing your ass. So if I freeze you I can attack 50 % faster but deal 10 % less damage . now your fire shield status reduce skill will cut of duration of the freeze , but it wont disable it completely and since a good pvper will keep his imbue always up you will always be slow thus will the freezer do more damage than you. "

Continued discussion about ice, etc.

Biggie then makes the comment, "cdering that ice builds are slow levelers, why would u care if it cancles ur skills? the ice person would be so low level u could kill him without skills." This is another fallacious statement. Ice is being pulled out of context and compared in an unequal setting.

I call Biggie on this one: "Someone's rate of leveling has nothing to do with the potency of their build. Also, unless they're starting on a new server, there're going to be higher level players regardless of whether you use fire or cold or anything else."

After which, Biggie personally attacks me: "everyone knows that killing a mob at a faster rate makes u level faster. if u dont know that, pls go play a game that does not involve thinking. everyone knows an int player levels faster. everyone knows there are level caps. everyone knows that with a good build u can catch up to the high levels in no time. killing 20% faster with fire will clearly level you 20% faster then the noobs with ice.

do u know that? if not, dont question my logic without developing ur own."

His reply again commits several logical fallacies, including "ps: when a level 57 guys tells u what a good build is, and he owns more then 5 accounts with good builds, id listen to him if my level was only 20ish."

So while this is obviously another case of him flexing his e-peen (my reasoning behind calling him a douche), it's also entirely illogical. I'm now presented with a rather frustrating position. The person on the other side of the argument is refusing and/or incapable of using logic. It's like trying ot play a game of chess with someone who doesn't know the rules and insists on putting pieces wherever he wants.

As woutR points out, "I'm sorry , your logic is I'm lvl 57 I CLAIM to have good builds so listen to me biatches." which summarizes my sentiments exactly.

Biggie then makes the statement, again, assuming that his opinion is fact, "yeah i understand that. thing is, im trying to help the low levels here to try to win because winning (weather u admit it or not) is the best feeling there is in a competitive game."

Which basically means: "I'm going to tell you how to play the game."

So between Biggie having an e-peen that's much too large and waving it in everyone's face, there're also various logical fallacies and contradictions in his arguments, and lack of substantial supporting details aside from "when a level 57 guys tells u what a good build is, and he owns more then 5 accounts with good builds, id listen to him if my level was only 20ish."

Rather than defend his argument with something substantial, Biggie chooses to use fallacious arguments and make personal attacks on the people who disagree with him.

Which results in "How about this? You stop being an elitist douchebag because you're level whateverthefuck and stop flaming people for using non-cookiecutter builds. Go flame somewhere else." I have a great deal of patience, but it is finite, and in cases like this, it runs thin very quickly.

Aside to Ryoko: Now if you think that's unjustified, we differ. It is in poor taste and in violation of the forum conduct, but that's a rule I chose to violate. You can do what you will with it.

Of course we've been sidetracked by now from the issue of ice vs. fire, but the thread still offers nothing to anyone who's interested in the subject aside from "omglol reroll noob u suc!" and is hardly constructive on either side of the issue.

Hrmm.... I will say this for ICE. As an INT user, the point of ice isn't for damage, heck at low levels, the difference from fire to ice in the damage department is minimal. At level 24, both my fire and ice masteries are at 16. I have both Fire and Ice imbue at level 6. I do like 200 average per hit with ice and 210 average per hit with fire. Whuup dee doo. That difference in damage isn't saving my butt in pve.

Now, what ice does for me as an archer is 9 times out of 10 keep me from being hit in the first place. I no get hit, then I no use pots. Simple as that. Well I still use mana pots but that is always going to be the case. But, if I don't get hit that much I can A) cut down on health pot expenses, and B) cut down on my repair bills as well. I really don't like handing money out to that fat, lazy blacksmith.

Anyhow, the times when the monster I'm fighting does make it into range to hit me makes me happy I'm using ice imbue. They might get 1 attack of. Gee whiz.

Now, when I use fire, they ALWAYS, not 1 time out of 10, but ALWAYS make it into melee range to hit me. They always get a few hits off. I always use a health pot, or two, or three. Cost effective leveling? I think not.

Then there are times when stuff just spawns around me and I get swarmed or I do something silly to break the monotony and try attacking champions or giants. When I get swarmed, using my Penetrating attack with an Ice Imbue to frost of freeze everything around me is a God send. Having three monsters all go from whacking you 2 or 3 times a second to having them whack on you once every 3 or 4 seconds seriously makes a life or death difference to my garment wearing int char.

So for low levels, ice is better and more cost effective in my mind. Until you get your masteries over ~25ish in my opinion don't bother with fire unless you really like fire. Or, you are wearing so much SOS armor for your level with a shield that any monster near your level does pathetic damage to your character. Then go for fire or lightning I say.

Oh as for the arguements that lightning sucks for strength. In 1 on 1 PVP. It sure does. In mass PVP or farming mobs for exps or SPs.... are you freaking serious??? Lightning for a STR character ownz! Glaive + AOE attack + Lightning imbue + tons of monsters doing almost nothing for damage to your butt surrounding you = massive ownage. I garauntee you that a STR glaive surrounded by 4 or monsters compared to a lightning user is going to suck. The lightning imbue is going to kill every single one of them FASTER then the same level of fire imbue when AOEing monsters.


But just so you know Biggie... if you stay low level just long enough to farm some SPs. Enough for your weapon of choice and all THREE elements, like the Koreans do, then you can use whatever imbue you want that the situation calls for. The Koreans have a maxed out level of 80 while ours is currently 60. You can easily max a character with say a weapon, ice, fire, and lightning. 60 X 4 = 240 masteries. That still leaves 40 mastery points unspent.

I know it can be fustrating when people don't listen, but no one is under obligation. People have been trying to force firefox and AMD down my throat for the last two years, and I refuse to listen.

A: Debate is a very healthy part of life, it helps us break down truths and facts in a constructive mannor.

B: Different opionions (and facts) allow people to forumlate their own opinions, learn, and decide whats best for them.

C: Not everyone in large communities going to agree all the time.

D: When two men in a business always agree, one of them is unnecessary.

Understand, and Stay.

the point is so you can kill npc thieves faster.



oh dont worry. there are enough people here who want to learn, that i wont just leave and let one sour apple ruin a chance for these people to get on the right track.



yes but I would assume its more rewarding to be high level then farm sp. farming sp is a good idea, but with 300 total masteries and level 150 the max level when the game is 100% complete, it would be a waste of a lot of money to curst heart a lot of the masteries. That’s why I always play with a long term build. while a build with 3 or 4 masteries maxed does good in the short run, it will end up being ineffective later on when you need those masteries.

For my build (blade/fire/light) my goal is 150 blade, 100 fire, 50 lighting. The lighting is purely for the run. all together I will end up with 30 masteries when I am level 150.



that’s what you would think, but with an effective build, you can level at a faster rate. My 1st char was Creator, in the alpha, he was a fire glaive user. I found it effective but I wanted something faster to use. My 2nd char was PepsiShine. She was a hybrid bow user with 2 int 1 str and lighting. she sucked and no longer in use. (if anyone wants her, be my guest)

my 3rd char hit a goldmine. PepsiOne was a fire/blade/light user. I got her from Korean forums. I serched around and found the one build everyone seemed to like the most. This was it. A pure tank who can kill a mob with one chain, and move on to the next using a fast run. since then iv been using this build since it was what I was looking for. an effective killer who can keep up with the speed I want to level at.

What I noticed was simple, it’s not how you play, its how you not play. If you want a reroll, pick one of the 4 good builds, and pm me. With some good tips you could get to level 30 in under a week.

Now if you don’t have time, I think your build could be fixed with some work. thing is, people who picked a sucky build should NOT continue to go down the wrong road. if they don’t want to reroll, they can still save themselves more trouble by trying to get there skills back in order.

Being low level is not bad. but don’t expect to win any pvp fights. don’t expect much at all, you wont get it without trying to get it.



there are a lot of things that sound good on paper, but will suck in game. that is one of those things. you will be hitting less then a fire user and leveling slower also. the aoe does not do as much damage sine you are str. if your no good in 1v1, leveling is just that, 1v1, and you will level too slowly to be effective.



im not flaming them. im just telling them some facts. people who don’t know how to make cookies use cookie cutters. those people need the cookiecutters to be as effective as people with more skill.

when you play a game which takes pushing buttons and little skill, cookiecutters are the smart way to go.

Argh!!!

First off, the max level 150 is RUMOR! It's hasn't even been mentioned a by developer as far as I can tell. And I've been searching around ALOT. Point me to an official post that 150 is going to be the max level and I'll eat my hat.

Also, building a character for what "may" happen in the future versus what is currently done is retarded in MMOs. Let us go with YOUR assumption that one day, in the distant future the max level will be 150. First off, this makes us have a ton of other assumptions to build a character for that possible outcome. One, you are also assuming that 300 will remain the MAX amount of masteries you can obtain. What happens if they bump that up to 500? What then smarty pants?

Oh.. and what if... gee I don't think this one takes a genius to figure out.. what if SRO does exactly what almost every other MMO has done when it was released to the public. That is do a CHARACTER WIPE! OoooOOooo... building a character for a future that character may never see seems well dumb. The current future we have is level 60 on the English servers. We know level 80 is coming. So I can adjust for that. Anything else... all rumor and heresay. There's a saying, don't go counting your chickens before the eggs are hatched. You sir are counting many chickens.

What will you do if the level cap remains 80 after release and there is a character wipe? Ohhh... you hadn't thought about that have you? I think my 4 mastery build would wipe the floor with your 2 mastery build any day of the week in that case don't you???

Also, you have no clue about farming for exps either do you????

Let's look at reality. Yes, a fire imbue will kill a 1 on 1 monster faster then a lightning imbue assuming that niether is 3 hit kills or less. This means we are talking about fighting monsters of equal level or higher. However, in reality, the experience ratio for levels remains THE SAME! What this means is if I get 200 experience from killing monster A but 100 experience from killing monster B I can easily kill 2 or more of monster be in the same time frame or even in less of one then killing monster A. This is just a fact in ALL MMOs. If you are soloing for experience it's best to farm the crap out of weaker monsters that don't give significantly less exps then it is to waste time on much harder monsters. As a STR lightning user, it's not too difficult to find a ton of agro, lower level monsters and ONE HIT AOE KILL every thing. Sorry that kind of experience per minute ratio is >>>>>> then a fire user killing a higher level monster and taking a few seconds of whacking away. If you don't know that then you need to go back to MMO 101 class and retake some lessons.

So biggietymers, stop spouting crap you have no clue about. Yes, Fire makes the best imbue to use in 1 on 1 pvp. That's about the only justified comment you've expunged so far from most of your drivvle. Everything else can be ignored for now until the game is officially released. If what you rumored to say will be true comes true. Congrats, you beat the odds that MMOs come out according to rumor and plan. If the level cap on release of the game isn't 150, or max mastery levels haven't been raised, or there isn't a character wipe, then you are going to look really dumb in all your previous posts.

you can give that character to me

I'll leave this article for anyone considering cookiecuttering, which I heard this morning on NPR. Just something to keep in mind. ;)

This is starting to be off topic not just about a little.

I got the answer to my question so yeah.
I'll go with Fire and use Anti-Ice equipment & skills.

lol, good day for you too sir. funny how people are. when a high level offers advise, there always has to be one person who gets so defencive that he wirtes up an whole essey with nothing more then flames.

fact 1: in sro korea the max level is already 90. and its being announced that its moving up to 100 in a few months.

fact 2: i played sro korea, i know what goes on in the high level scene. when i come and HELP people, i spend my TIME. you are doing nothing more then wasting my time. if you want to be jelose, go ahead and flame me, but dont try to hide your flaming in a post defending a dumb build that can not even dream about achiving a high level.

therefore, good day sir.

You both make some valid points. You both threw out some flames.
BUT NEITHER ONE OF YOU IS EXCLUSIVELY RIGHT.
All you're doing at this point is embarrassing yourselves in front of the rest of us. Save some face and do not continue this argument.

Errr umm...

What to say umm....

Its Friday. And Imma go to the club, and see my girls (and this NEW girl I trying to get to know ) and have a beer.

Hey Biggie, I've heard that most of the high lvl archers are INT and lightning, but you listed STR and fire. Can you shed any light on the differences? Thanks.

Oh my... oh my... seems like you, BiggieTymers, are in a spot I used to be in lol. You try to convince someone about something without proof, but sorta works in theory, and few people actually believe you. Check the "Why int is so bad?" post. I think people finally stopped posting after 83 posts were made. The argument was "going pure or hybrid", and those damn "retards kept insisting that hybrid was better. Eventually, this guy comes and gives a good point, saying not everybody wants to be the best. I agree with him, but not with those idiots insisting hybrids are so much stronger and all that bullshit that they wrote on the post.

Every build has advantages and disadvantages. Cold, for example, can frost. Fire does more damage. And burns aren't included. For strength, I think you should use fire, but for int, I advise using cold, or your ass is grass. If you're a nuker and can't kill them before they get to you, say bye bye! You need grass walk and wear garment so you'll run faster. Cold slows them down before they get to you. Of course, I may be wrong. But hybrids suck still

People can use universal pills, but it still slow them down a little, no matter how long they take to heal. They won't keep using universal pills over and over and over and waste everything. Even if it slows them down for 1 second, it still does. Frost them again and nuke again. Best nuking move is Thunderbolt. Wolf's ThunderBolt and Tiger's ThunderBolt. Those hit the most. Even fire nuke book 3 doesn't do as much as lightning nuke book 2. Go check it yourself.

Fire just kills fast, and I'm using fire as well, but I'm not completely satisfied with fire, so i sometimes use ice.

On a sidenote, I don't think they're ever gonna raise the max lvl to 150. Nvr. Reason? Ever heard of the SRO map? Some guy is working on it. dinnerbone or something. Original site it's hosted on is http://www.silkroadoffline.com

The map file is http://www.silkroadoffline.com/monster

The part where it asks for the lvl allows only 2 digits, so I think the max lvl would be 90. I don't think you're supposed to be able to own Niya Generals solo so easily... they're the strongest monster. Unless of course you consider Europe and Islam that are to be released. If they are released, and the monsters are stronger, expect a max lvl increase, and of course, and increase in mastery lvl and variety of skills to cope with those new areas