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yes I believe there is a God

there is no god because I raped god and killed him already.

XuChu, if you believe its so personal, please keep your religious speeches to only this thread. I'm sick of seeing it absolutely everywhere.





I'd like to take the time to point out some hypocrisy really quick...






I spy with my little eye something inconsistent.

in response to the thread question: no.
why? too lazeh to type it out again. there is another thread about religion and such out there. search b4 u post.

oh really.. says who, and what proof do you have? its people like you that really piss me off.

still no one has even bothered to answer my question i posted like 4 pages ago, harharhar

How do you know what God will do? Judgement day is yet to come, the final decision is in him.



The Muslims would say all 3 are the same, however, the bible's one is less accurate and distorted. While the Christians would say Muslim not does not equal Christian god, because Christian god = the Holy Trinity (Father, Son , Holy spirit)
When I said Xemnasxd was labelling them as cosmic douche, it is because he spoke of him as 'old testament god' which the Muslim would claim to be their God, as do the Judaist, and the Christians.
Hopefully I cleared up any misunderstanding you had.


Faith and ways of worship should be personal, but the word of God should be in every corner of the universe. If you are sick of seeing it every don't read my posts, also this thread was made after I came back and started posting.


so what your trying to say those people believed because they are weak in willpower, but atheists aren't? Why I'm I not surprised you think that..

@crazyskwrls, this is because the foundations of religion, or at least Abrahamic religions are based on Faith or Submission, and unfortunately not evidence. For if it was based on evidence, man's faith in God would not be faith in god, but rather faith in truth.

"Everyone is an atheist (when we don't believe in Zeus, Ra, or Shiva). It's just that some of us go an extra step and eliminate one more from the group".

You should read what you type and then respond. You stated that many Religious people come from Atheist backgrounds. I pointed out that that information was false using evidence you posted here. I mentioned nothing about people being weak or willpower, only pointed out the fact that most people come from religious backgrounds and then transfer to Atheism, not the other way around.

You just shoved a ton of words in my mouth and im not even sure what its supposed to mean but you show no ability to bend to, comprehend, or even acknowledge any logical statement if its contradictory to what you've posted or your beliefs. Your right, there can be no discussion.

I as I have already pointed out, we aren't capable to understand gods plans completely. Also I want to say that I believe people understand god's plan differently and like a rule invent their own idea of god's plan.
But if god's plan is an idea of mankind, then it is not the truth. Which means mankind has created his own god (or idol) who's plans they completely understand since it's from there own ideas.
I think that it is hard to label, something like god.

EDIT: also about the 5 million medieval deaths proven to be stimulated by a religious accusations, who was doing the killing? That point is an important one. My question is who are you blaming?

well if people back then were to blame for the deaths of others because of their religious beliefs, god should have stepped down and helped the innocent people being killed. Look at the jews, innocent kids women babies men being killed, all praying to god to help them. Black plague, people who new nothing of the disease and where it spread until later on, god should have answered and given salvation. Nothing happened, chances of miracles is like getting something in return when giving money to a homeless guy.
I dont believe there is a heaven and hell after death, we are already in hell.

Lynk plox to where you get your facts menz?
And god has stepped down to save people. Remember that jewish guy that was killed on the cross? Christians believe that he is god man (don't laugh menz) that *stepped down* and helped innocent people that are being killed. I have little knowledge of any beliefs other the Christianity but I know the talking about religion in general and bad mouthing or trying prove it is wrong/stupid is stupid. Praying to god won't save if it is not part of his plan. Yes I said god won't help you if he does not wish for it. What am I saying, that god is evil or a bully? No I'm saying that his plan is deeper than our earth lives.
If you are a christian you believe in the the kingdom of heaven and hell. No living mortal can prove if there is an afterlife, because they will only have evidence after they die. Thus it can't be proven with facts that there is an afterlife. And that's why religions are also called beliefs, because a person must belief in order to be saved.

Edit:When I said "Praying to god won't save if it is not part of his plan." I meant as in save you from death in this life.

nope.

Its all in history, thats where i get my facts. For example if you read Night by elie wiesel, he explains that he sees little babies being thrown into the fire when he first goes to his concentration camp, he had to fight for his life, the weaker were killed off. He even explains that he prays to god to help them, everyone prays. a little boy is hung because his father tried to help jews and one of the jews asked where was god, and another jew answered "Hanging here in the gallows"

The black plague killed 75 million people, if god would have helped, it would have been only a few million to have died that he wasnt aware of.

If you dont know about these things, go to school and take as much history classes as you can.

And just basing your life off of religion, thinking you will be saved in the end is preposterous. Most of the bible is if you this you go to hell, if you do that you go to hell. You must believe in this to go to heaven.

All i think is you must enjoy life as it comes at you. Doing all these things that religion tells you to is sucking all the fun out of everything.

This world is pretty much eat or get eaten. Either you take advantage of your own life and unlocked the chains that bound you to beliefs of someone who has yet to show themself or you wont be able to live your life to its fullest potential.

Don't beleive in god or religion. What can you find in a book that you can't find in yourself? Probably ink but that's it.

Sorry XemnasXD, but when you put words in your opponents mouth - things that he or she didn't say then attack your own words (or fictional summaries) it is called a Strawman argument. I can understand your motive though. It's much easier to build a fictional summary and beat it down than it is to actually attempt to defeat your opponent. Grab your sword and smack that scarecrow. Smack it good. Get your wooden sword and your garbage can lid as your shield and pretend you've done well.

• Lucifer was created and given charge of the Mercy Seat on the Throne of God. That angel was the placed in the highest position and likened himself to God. He was not created evil. God works in all things to the good of those who love Him.
  
• Man (Adam, the Reddish) was formed of clay. God breathed life into him through the nostril. It was a striking act of intimacy. He was prohibited nothing except only to not eat of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

The snake (which was the devil) was seen to be evil because he used that which was precious to Adam against him. Eve did not sin. She looked upon the fruit and saw that it looked good. The words that were used to trick her were pretty slick, "Did God really say you were not to eat fruit from any tree?"

She replied according to what Adam had told her, and added her own interpretation, "He said we could eat from any tree - except the one at the center - and if we even so much as touched it, we would surely die."

The snake closed the deal with a lie - "You shall not surely die. You will be made to be like God, knowing good from evil."
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Every person descended from Adam and Eve has inherited that knowledge. Surely you cannot attempt to say that your strawman argument is "good", can you?

What did God do when confronted with the disobedience of His children? Did He not change the nature of creation? Was the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics established then? Was a promise given? To whom?

The promise was given to the seed of the woman.

All of Genesis can be seen as an analogy. God created the garden (and yes, it was perfect). He created man and placed him there. We hear the phrase, "And God saw that it was good," so often that it is almost a refrain. The one thing that was seen that was not good is also an analogy. "God saw that it was not good for man to be alone."

Is it possible that He was showing part of His nature to us even then? Could it be that God was lonely? When we look at the outcome of sin and the promise, that being Jesus, we are presented with another analogy. Christ as the Groom and The Church as the Bride. To me the Bible is a love song of the highest order. I see the thread clearly throughout all of the holy script.

I always find it strange to see so called agnostics or atheists attempt to argue with me under the presumption that God is real and that His word is True. If we were speaking about a fictional character (like the Klingons or Vulcans) who would expend such effort? Could any person attempt to argue that Spock didn't exist because they didn't understand him?

The fact that you don't understand who God is does not prove that He doesn't exist.
No man can understand things of the Spirit without illumination from God Himself. Further, none can understand "The God of the Old Testament" except through the life of Christ, Jesus. You've heard this before. From the mouth of Jesus himself, "No one knows the Father save the son." The fact that you choose to ignore this only detracts from your attempt (couched in 'religious' terms) to dissuade me.

Your argument is known as The Dilemma of Prescience
Since God knows the future, what choice do we have in it?

The Short Answer:

Knowing what someone is going to do is not synonymous with making that person do it. This is simple to understand.

A Little Longer:

If I see a child in front of an ice cream and tell you he's going to eat it, does that mean I made him eat it? Let's say a psychologist predicts that a certain criminal, if released, will murder again. And it happens. Do we lock up the psychologist and the criminal? Of course not. The psychologist's knowledge had no involvement in the criminal's act of murder.

Similarly, if someone came back from the future in a time machine and told you what was going to happen to the world, does that mean he is responsible for all that happens from that point on? God knows what you are going to do because He is beyond time. For Him, it all happened already. So, how does that imply that He denies us free choice to make those decisions?

We build stories in our minds: First this happened, and because of that, this happened, and so on. These stories are essential to our survival -- without them we would be at a complete loss concerning what to do next in any given situation. In fact, many psychological disorders can be traced to the subjects incompetence in constructing coherent storylines for his reality.

It may help to try to imagine one essential aspect of the creation: time from the perspective of its Creator. He sees all things from beginning to end in a single glance. From that view, what meaning does cause and effect have?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition



There's just too much going against religion for me to accept it.



Yeah it's extreme to mention activities in the Crusades, but the point is still there. Religion has been, and still is used today, to control/manipulate and in this case destroy people. You might not realize it these days but way back when, the Pope could do this sort of thing in the name of your loving Lord.

Reise, you might be surprised by how much I agree with things you say about religion.
Talking about God as a primal cause is an anthropomorphism. As one philosopher wrote, "God made Man in His image, and Man returned Him the favor."

Who can say, "I know Him"? Don't get me started... the heretic in me honestly believes that tithes (as they are preached today) are ungodly. We human beings are very proud of the robots we create, and plan to create even neater ones in the future. But just because we do not know how to invest our own creations with free will, we cannot infer that the Creator of all things is similarly limited.

Everyone will die. The religious people also die, there is no exception. I'm not saying that religious people did not die or were killed and suffered. I'm saying that the Christians showed their love to god and in their last moments of this life they prayed to god.
When you said my life is based on religion, that's the way a Christian must live their lives. When you said that religion sucks the fun out of life, you are wrong? Why? You are wrong because if you are close to god your views on life are different. You are idea of fun is different. Joy will be an emotion that a person will experience in the kingdom of heaven. This joy won't ever come close to most happy moments on Earth.

My concept of deity is different than most people. It's personal and not something I care to debate or preach. I will leave it at that.

i really hate it how non-christians justify their ignorance of christianity by saying "where's ur god now" when shit blows over. i mean, wth happened to free will? did they just conveniently forget that part? how did that story go? a man was trapped on his roof during a flood and god sent him help 3 times, but the man steadfastly refused them cuz he thought god himself would lift him away. in the end he died and he realized how stupid he was.

i'm an athiest leaning towards agnosticism, but damn, stupid people are stupid, christian or not.

Actually some Christians are stupid. Just like some atheist are stupid, just like people are stupid. But personally, i think living based on what others preach to you is just sad...feel sorry for the ones that are afraid enough to live in a certain way.

going to church is a joke. ppl whine about going to church every sunday or somethin and i'm just wondering why the hell do they do it if they dun have their hearts in it. the world could use a lot less churches.

I was saying there are many who don't come from religious backgrounds that become religious to someone saying that people believe in religion because they are weak in willpower. Then you come and say that many more people come from religious backgrounds, so what your trying to say?
Something completely irrelevant to the original subject?


Yes, indeed the Roman Catholic church and its followers have committed great atrocities. However the deeds Catholic church cannot represent God and religion, in fact it can't even represent Christendom at this time in age.
Interesting bits of history though.



That's because those people don't really believe, they call themselves Christians/Muslims, but they really aren't, they do it because its their lifestyle to go to church and moan about it not because they truly believe.
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There seems to be a lot negative sentiments, misunderstanding against/of religion and hate for the church, especially Christianity, there really shouldn't be, but I'll leave it at that.

no that's bullshit. people can truly believe and still not go to church. it's ironic that most of the christians i meet don't like going to church. has organized religion really blackmailed everybody into fearing for their souls? church does nothing but make u fall asleep.

They go to church because it says so in the 10 commandments, commandment 10

If my memory serves me right i think it was something like "something something on the day of the sabbath"

lol, i dont believe in this church mumbo jumbo either

the ten commandments is a joke, lol. and it doesn't say u have to go to church.

Wasnt it "Keep holy the day of the Sabbath" which ment going to church?

if that's what it means to you then ok. it just says don't do any work and rest and worship. i'm sure u'r allowed to worship in the comfort of ur own home at ur own time right?

mmmmmm yeah i guess lol, I have this friend who's family is like the biggest christian family ever, one day my friend and my other friend (lets call them F1 and F2) decide to go out to drive at like 3 in the morning, when they came back, they got caught by F1's mom and then like a month later F2 gathered the courage to go back to F1's house and i went with him too, I asked F1 "wtf was your mom doing up so late" and he said "She was praying" and i thought "LOOOOOOOOOOOOLlllllll CRAZY"