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									|  Post subject: poison/vein waepon  Posted:  Sat Sep 05, 2009 3:19 pm  |  |  
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					| is it pointless to farm this skill?i havnt been using it and i dont see it as being a big help when i did use it. i see no point in using it when i 2hit the mob or 1-3 hit the enemy in pvp/ctf
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									|  Post subject: Re: poison/vein waepon  Posted:  Sat Sep 05, 2009 4:31 pm  |  |  
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					| Can skip it ...poison's mostly a useless skill tree. _________________
 
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									|  Post subject: Re: poison/vein waepon  Posted:  Sat Sep 05, 2009 4:40 pm  |  |  
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					| It's not that big deal in pvp but it's wonderful to kill ctf monsters (especially when they're higher lvl, that extra damage helps a lot) and to ks giants/ party mobs, also helps. _________________
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									|  Post subject: Re: poison/vein waepon  Posted:  Sat Sep 05, 2009 6:41 pm  |  |  
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					| I've never really needed it. So I stopped leveling it at lv40. _________________
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									|  Post subject: Re: poison/vein waepon  Posted:  Sun Sep 06, 2009 7:06 pm  |  |  
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					| i have that skill at lvl oneso meh no big deal i guess
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									|  Post subject: Re: poison/vein waepon  Posted:  Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:25 pm  |  |  
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					| I  find it great help in pvp. _________________
 
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									|  Post subject: Re: poison/vein waepon  Posted:  Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:33 pm  |  |  
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					| dont get it.sp waste.
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									|  Post subject:   Posted:  Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:46 pm  |  |  
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					| i love itmight be a waste of sp, idk & idc
 it's fun to see the poison DoT ticking
 it's satisfying to have that tiny bit of damage more
 it's fun to see and know that it keeps ticking while you're doing something else than hitting the mob
 i haven't done the math and i dont care
 but i wouldnt be surprised if it was quite better damage than we imagine
 
 think about it this way, it costs only sp... it adds no time to your attack routine.
 so it is basically free damage.
 i like poisoning from max range with rapid shot.
 it fits daggers just as well : get close, poison, take a hike:)
 
 of course if you start thinking of capping and how much sp-farming time this skill costs at cap... might as well start a new toon, they're funnier:)
 
 my current build takes around 2M sp at cap and i dont get powerfarmed and rarely plvled... think i care?
 
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									|  Post subject: Re: poison/vein waepon  Posted:  Sun Sep 06, 2009 11:27 pm  |  |  
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					| with poison masteries maxed (dagger ones), vein weapons can reach 900-1k+ poison damage...now that ticks off at least once it procs.
 the damage itself is anywhere between 5-10% of your skill damage be it a prick or normal attack etc. etc.
 
 in the long run, it does help in pvp...pve is extremely useful vs giants and party mobs.
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									|  Post subject: Re: poison/vein waepon  Posted:  Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:14 am  |  |  
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					| If you think this skill is a waste of SP then don't get it because there is an annoying bug associated to it : when you mash your keys like crazy you often get in a state where you can't attack the mob at all until you move you char to another spot then try to attack again.It happens with the poison skill, when combining it with an attack a bit too rapidly and on a certain timing.
 I haven't tested it out to describe its occurence-conditions better but it sure as hell is annoying.
 Another note : an interesting property of poison is that its damage is independent from the mob's resistances. A mob my lvl will get as much damage as a mangyang. A mob way above my lvl which i'd be nearly unable to damage with normal attacks will get its full poison DoT damage.
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									|  Post subject: Re:  Posted:  Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:40 am  |  |  
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					| Truie wrote: i love itmight be a waste of sp, idk & idc
 it's fun to see the poison DoT ticking
 it's satisfying to have that tiny bit of damage more
 it's fun to see and know that it keeps ticking while you're doing something else than hitting the mob
 i haven't done the math and i dont care
 but i wouldnt be surprised if it was quite better damage than we imagine
 
 meh in pvp poison is just pilled off and pve i just 1-2 hit the mob. i dont even have a chance to really use it
 
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									|  Post subject: Re: poison/vein waepon  Posted:  Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:17 pm  |  |  
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					| fire/posion status is best vs pt/pt champ/giant/pt giants
 normal and champs are too weak.
 
 even as an optional skill i always take it...
 though i dont take the (venom/posion) extensions.. 6 seconds are enough for me to poison an enemy.
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									|  Post subject: Re: poison/vein waepon  Posted:  Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:55 pm  |  |  
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					| how much damage per second does poision at lvl 90 make?if its maxed and with the damage increase passive _________________
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									|  Post subject: Re: poison/vein waepon  Posted:  Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:43 pm  |  |  
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					| I have vein weapon at lvl 1 just for fun since I don't use it that much.Also, everyone will pill it off at pvp.
 Didn't lvl the passives either.
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									|  Post subject: Re: poison/vein waepon  Posted:  Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:53 pm  |  |  
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					| lopasas wrote: how much damage per second does poision at lvl 90 make?if its maxed and with the damage increase passive at lv 90 it does around 750-900~ at lv 100 im guessing it will do about 1.1-1.3k~ and ppl who think that poison is a waste since it can be pilled off in pvp, think about this: for euros: 96 and 100 skills have an estimate damage difference of about 13-15% increase. take that to perspective, say you have a rogue skill doing about 10-15k...now with poison proc just once - u are doing extra near ~10% more damage. That's nearly the same as having a 5% boost in your attacks every now and then...and this will give you an edge in pvp so why wouldnt you wanna invest in poison.   _________________
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									|  Post subject: Re: poison/vein waepon  Posted:  Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:08 am  |  |  
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					| Truie wrote: If you think this skill is a waste of SP then don't get it because there is an annoying bug associated to it : when you mash your keys like crazy you often get in a state where you can't attack the mob at all until you move you char to another spot then try to attack again.It happens with the poison skill, when combining it with an attack a bit too rapidly and on a certain timing.
 I haven't tested it out to describe its occurence-conditions better but it sure as hell is annoying.
 Another note : an interesting property of poison is that its damage is independent from the mob's resistances. A mob my lvl will get as much damage as a mangyang. A mob way above my lvl which i'd be nearly unable to damage with normal attacks will get its full poison DoT damage.
 that stuck thing is a bug due to the range of the daggers_________________
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									|  Post subject:   Posted:  Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:11 pm  |  |  
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									|  Post subject: Re: poison/vein waepon  Posted:  Thu Sep 10, 2009 4:17 am  |  |  
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					| i dont want to make another topc cuz its still rogue relatedwell is spinning still gud after lvl 50?
 should i keep lvling it? or is it a w.e skill
 
 
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									|  Post subject: Re: poison/vein waepon  Posted:  Thu Sep 10, 2009 6:29 am  |  |  
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					| your normal attack (2hits) does more damage than spinningso no point learning that skill
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									|  Post subject: Re: poison/vein waepon  Posted:  Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:10 pm  |  |  
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					| pizzagirl2008 wrote: your normal attack (2hits) does more damage than spinningso no point learning that skill
 wow really? ill dlvl spinning to around lvl 3-4 then thanks
 
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									|  Post subject: Re: poison/vein waepon  Posted:  Fri Sep 11, 2009 7:31 pm  |  |  
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					| antics wrote: pizzagirl2008 wrote: your normal attack (2hits) does more damage than spinningso no point learning that skill
 wow really? ill dlvl spinning to around lvl 3-4 then thanksLOL!? normal hit does more damage than spinning skill? have you ever played daggers? ROFL_________________
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									|  Post subject: Re: poison/vein waepon  Posted:  Fri Sep 11, 2009 8:24 pm  |  |  
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					| pizzagirl2008 wrote: your normal attack (2hits) does more damage than spinningso no point learning that skill
 Daggers work differently; It has 2 hits in "attack" - each is 50%; two of them make 100%. Spining's each attack is 87%, but it hits twice. If you get what I mean? About spining, I think you have better skills to use, if you mix Daggers with Xbow, so dont take it._________________
 
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									|  Post subject: Re: poison/vein waepon  Posted:  Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:20 pm  |  |  
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					| Ok so I was in a pt with a rogue doing ongs (he's lvl 70) he was using daggers and when he was fighting a PTG the poison would do 2k damage every few seconds, so i find it worth it. _________________
 
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									|  Post subject: Re: poison/vein waepon  Posted:  Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:38 pm  |  |  
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					| iscared wrote: Ok so I was in a pt with a rogue doing ongs (he's lvl 70) he was using daggers and when he was fighting a PTG the poison would do 2k damage every few seconds, so i find it worth it. yea lvl 70 killing lvl 32 mobs. when im one hitting mobs my lvl. i wont see the damage at all. so for me its kinda usless Nitro wrote: pizzagirl2008 wrote: your normal attack (2hits) does more damage than spinningso no point learning that skill
 Daggers work differently; It has 2 hits in "attack" - each is 50%; two of them make 100%. Spining's each attack is 87%, but it hits twice. If you get what I mean? About spining, I think you have better skills to use, if you mix Daggers with Xbow, so dont take it.so spinning isnt crucial... meh ill dlvl it to a certain lvl
 
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									|  Post subject: Re: poison/vein waepon  Posted:  Sat Sep 12, 2009 7:55 am  |  |  
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					| Yes but it's great on giants and party mobs. _________________
 
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									|  Post subject: Re: poison/vein waepon  Posted:  Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:12 pm  |  |  
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					| No one talking about MP usage?
 It might do a bit more of damage when you use it, but Vein Weapon use too much MP imo for what it does.
 
 
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