Should i change from light/cold to force?

Rozelady · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 314 **Location:**

Sup all,
I got a problem.. well not rly a problem, but doubts xD
At this moment i have a fullfarmed lvl 100 blader, Sun +6 blade, +7 garm set, and a +6 protector set for backup (pvp str ya know..)

Current skills are ff bich/fire lvl 100 and cold60/light40. Passives/buffs maxed.
And i am wondering if switching to Force would be a good idea?
Cause of my sun, i would be doing massive damage..
So what do you guys think?
Gimme pro's and con's, i rly want to hear about this..

Possible builds 100bich/100fire/100force (<--my preference if i go)
100bich/100force/80fire/20cold (cuz of snowshield? i dont use it atm. (90% of the time that is)

And also, which skills to max? (Obviously the debuffs and cure series + passive, but what more)

Please gimme opinions.. and also, i overfarmed a bit >.< got 400k sp left now, so SP isnt a problem NOW, but i think it will be in future caps..

Azavel · **Joined:** Mar 2009 **Posts:** 70 **Location:**

Go 100 force. A blader with +6/+7 set dont need snow shield imo. 100 Bicheon/fire/force is a very nice char for a pure str.
About force, max passive, dabuff, cure series and, optional ress and therapy

Rozelady · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 314 **Location:**

Cmon folks, 23 views, but 2 votes and 1 reply?

xKingpinx · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 2153 **Location:**

If you got the sp for force and plenty of gold for speed drugs...I say go for it...very strong build vs non holy spell users...and even holy spell users you have a sun blade..so they shouldnt be much of a problem...I say go 100 force...

Rozelady · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 314 **Location:**

Cmon force experts! gimme opinions!
Also, a vid of a lvl 100 ff force blader would be nice 2 see.. anyone has? ive been lookin but cant seem to find any...

Fimero · **Posted:** Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:07 am

personally i would say the debuffs from a blader is good enough. to me this is the one str class that doesnt need force. youre a tank so you can take the time to get the debuffs off. it matters about your server also. but since you got a pro set for str and a garm i dont think you need anymore ice.

very intelligent · **Joined:** May 2009 **Posts:** 221 **Location:** Helsinki

Yes because force debuff very good damage.

XMoshe · **Posted:** Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:08 pm

Fimero wrote:

personally i would say the debuffs from a blader is good enough. to me this is the one str class that doesnt need force. youre a tank so you can take the time to get the debuffs off. it matters about your server also. but since you got a pro set for str and a garm i dont think you need anymore ice.

With you on this. I'm a force bower and seeing force bladers just hurts. It's a waste of a mastery tree IMO, you got debuffs from your chains and twin energy. That's more than enough, especially if you got a sun blade. Now I would delvl light and up ice too 100, it looks like you got the sp so why not get the max phy/mag def possible?

About your set. GIMME

_Dutchy_ · **Posted:** Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:33 pm

sun blade oO +7 garms thats antigrav lol
anyways you could change to force just depends how do you wanna use your char
1vs1 chinese Force is great but once you go against euro's etc won't do you much good.
its also handy in jobbing being a good geared blader you prolly be a resser that won't be killed at all lol. but damage wise you'll hit chinese harder but like i said euro's holy spell etc smart chinese will use the status pills... i think bladers just don't do that much damage this cap.

mick3201 · **Joined:** Sep 2009 **Posts:** 390 **Location:**

im not very good with force builds but i know that a blader fire and ice owns in pvp. the only problem with that build is you have to buy speed drugs

Rozelady · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 314 **Location:**

_Dutchy_ wrote:

sun blade oO +7 garms thats antigrav lol
anyways you could change to force just depends how do you wanna use your char
1vs1 chinese Force is great but once you go against euro's etc won't do you much good.
its also handy in jobbing being a good geared blader you prolly be a resser that won't be killed at all lol. but damage wise you'll hit chinese harder but like i said euro's holy spell etc smart chinese will use the status pills... i think bladers just don't do that much damage this cap.

xD damnit.. am i that infamous?

Well the point is that vs euro's, atleast when i pvped em, they dont bother me that much =)
i can handle just about any build you throw at me ^^.
Not to mention i dont use snowshield... almost ever lol ^^ i think i only had it on like 3/4 times, and that was when that whole Turkiyem guild was ganging me lol.

As far as the status pills concerned.. i know they can spam them.. but lets say i hit them bleed/div with my chains.. they pill it off, bang bang! Divion,decay on their asses from my force tree.. thatll hurt ^^ specially when my blade crits.. (<3 c16).. yesterday i 1 critted a wizzard lvl 100 with bless on.. 15,7k.. and i didnt zeked or whatsoever ^^

_Dutchy_ · **Posted:** Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:39 pm

Rozelady wrote:

_Dutchy_ wrote:

sun blade oO +7 garms thats antigrav lol
anyways you could change to force just depends how do you wanna use your char
1vs1 chinese Force is great but once you go against euro's etc won't do you much good.
its also handy in jobbing being a good geared blader you prolly be a resser that won't be killed at all lol. but damage wise you'll hit chinese harder but like i said euro's holy spell etc smart chinese will use the status pills... i think bladers just don't do that much damage this cap.

xD damnit.. am i that infamous?

Well the point is that vs euro's, atleast when i pvped em, they dont bother me that much =)
i can handle just about any build you throw at me ^^.
Not to mention i dont use snowshield... almost ever lol ^^ i think i only had it on like 3/4 times, and that was when that whole Turkiyem guild was ganging me lol.

As far as the status pills concerned.. i know they can spam them.. but lets say i hit them
bleed/div with my chains.. they pill it off, bang bang! Divion,decay on their asses from my force tree.. thatll hurt ^^ specially when my blade crits.. (<3 c16).. yesterday i 1 critted a wizzard lvl 100 with bless on.. 15,7k.. and i didnt zeked or whatsoever ^^

Well Being a blader with such a set you would tank like hell doubt anything can kill you in 1vs1 maybe a warlock or a sun wizz staff lol but i even doubt that so yea you don't need cold that much. so yea force could be a good ideea but its gonna cost you tons tons tons tons in speed pots i don't know if you job allot but force would make you a extremly effective jobber either hunter or thief so if you have the sp for it yea go for it you don't lose much expect your speed

Gladiator_RN · **Posted:** Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:29 pm

100 fire 100 bich 100 force for sure naaps ^^

borat2 · **Posted:** Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:11 pm

If you really want to go force make it 80fire 20 ice.
having that 20 ice will be a deciding factor when you get ganged in job wars for example, it might be the deciding factor for a successful res or not.

The damage difference between 80fire and 100 fire is not worth the defense you get from ice.
1on1 you will need a bit more time to kill vs players with holy but with your crit sun blade it should be no problem.

Fimero · **Posted:** Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:13 am

blader doesnt need force
and seriously if hes in any decent party there is a cleric to do his job better
blader is a tanking build, go with what its ment to be and increase cold.
if sp isnt a problem i would seriously go dual build
bich heuk is amazing, youre an awesome tank and once you get those debuffs off switch to glaive and destroy them

_Dutchy_ · **Posted:** Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:04 am

Fimero wrote:

blader doesnt need force
and seriously if hes in any decent party there is a cleric to do his job better
blader is a tanking build, go with what its ment to be and increase cold.
if sp isnt a problem i would seriously go dual build
bich heuk is amazing, youre an awesome tank and once you get those debuffs off switch to glaive and destroy them

bich heuk ? lol'd why would a person with a sun weapon even consider a dual weap build ?
and what good is a tanking blader ? in group wars / pvp they will just ignore him what kinda tanking will he do then ? Clerics are all great but they can't tank the same amount as a chinese blader and who will be targeted first in a major battle ? a Euro cleric or a chinese blader?

Fimero · **Posted:** Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:26 am

_Dutchy_ wrote:

Fimero wrote:

blader doesnt need force
and seriously if hes in any decent party there is a cleric to do his job better
blader is a tanking build, go with what its ment to be and increase cold.
if sp isnt a problem i would seriously go dual build
bich heuk is amazing, youre an awesome tank and once you get those debuffs off switch to glaive and destroy them

bich heuk ? lol'd why would a person with a sun weapon even consider a dual weap build ?
and what good is a tanking blader ? in group wars / pvp they will just ignore him what kinda tanking will he do then ? Clerics are all great but they can't tank the same amount as a chinese blader and who will be targeted first in a major battle ? a Euro cleric or a chinese blader?

its an option and his to make. and because there are huge bonuses for going dual bich heuk. someone who ignores a sun blader is dumb. and even if they do blader will kb anyone who tries to take out their cleric (if blader is good). and in major battles its pretty much whoever they see first really.

XMoshe · **Posted:** Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:45 am

Fimero wrote:

_Dutchy_ wrote:

Fimero wrote:

blader doesnt need force
and seriously if hes in any decent party there is a cleric to do his job better
blader is a tanking build, go with what its ment to be and increase cold.
if sp isnt a problem i would seriously go dual build
bich heuk is amazing, youre an awesome tank and once you get those debuffs off switch to glaive and destroy them

bich heuk ? lol'd why would a person with a sun weapon even consider a dual weap build ?
and what good is a tanking blader ? in group wars / pvp they will just ignore him what kinda tanking will he do then ? Clerics are all great but they can't tank the same amount as a chinese blader and who will be targeted first in a major battle ? a Euro cleric or a chinese blader?

its an option and his to make. and because there are huge bonuses for going dual bich heuk. someone who ignores a sun blader is dumb. and even if they do blader will kb anyone who tries to take out their cleric (if blader is good). and in major battles its pretty much whoever they see first really.

That's only for the idiots...I would always go for the buffers first if I can hit them (which is kinda hard in pvp cuz they always go uncaped so I sometimes just pk their asses).

I don't think he needs the damage from glaive to get the kills, his sun blade will do enough damage. On the other hand, +7 set, sun blade and the 3.8k hp increase from heuksal. That would be insane.

Gladiator_RN · **Posted:** Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:22 pm

lol don't go dual, it sux hard. you have to farm billions of SP next cap, and with a sun blade already, it isnt worth all the farming. just go to force and you will be fine.

Fimero · **Posted:** Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:19 pm

XMoshe wrote:

Fimero wrote:

_Dutchy_ wrote:

bich heuk ? lol'd why would a person with a sun weapon even consider a dual weap build ?
and what good is a tanking blader ? in group wars / pvp they will just ignore him what kinda tanking will he do then ? Clerics are all great but they can't tank the same amount as a chinese blader and who will be targeted first in a major battle ? a Euro cleric or a chinese blader?

its an option and his to make. and because there are huge bonuses for going dual bich heuk. someone who ignores a sun blader is dumb. and even if they do blader will kb anyone who tries to take out their cleric (if blader is good). and in major battles its pretty much whoever they see first really.

That's only for the idiots...I would always go for the buffers first if I can hit them (which is kinda hard in pvp cuz they always go uncaped so I sometimes just pk their asses).

I don't think he needs the damage from glaive to get the kills, his sun blade will do enough damage. On the other hand, +7 set, sun blade and the 3.8k hp increase from heuksal. That would be insane.

the combination of bich heuk is good. there are plenty of incentives to do it. and yea a sun blade does a lot of damage for a blade. but the heuk skills do more damage then bich skills. and with a decent glaive im sure they will hit harder.

XMoshe · **Posted:** Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:44 pm

I don't think even a +7 glaive does more damage than a sun+5/7 crit 15/16 (dunno what it was) blade.

It's easy to check...Took the average white % for phy dmg's (any lvl 100 with a bit of cash will have atleast 61% on both).

Higher phy damage, reinforce and crit. Glaive attacks do have a higher % but I don't think he'll still deal more damage with the blade in the end, cuz of that 5 crit increase.

Fimero · **Posted:** Tue Oct 27, 2009 3:59 am

XMoshe wrote:

I don't think even a +7 glaive does more damage than a sun+5/7 crit 15/16 (dunno what it was) blade.

It's easy to check...Took the average white % for phy dmg's (any lvl 100 with a bit of cash will have atleast 61% on both).

Higher phy damage, reinforce and crit. Glaive attacks do have a higher % but I don't think he'll still deal more damage with the blade in the end, cuz of that 5 crit increase.

idk the damage and % difference of heuk and bich but even so
heukc bich would be a good comination
its kinda sad a sun +6 blade isnt stronger then a +7 glaive

Rozelady · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 314 **Location:**

My blade has a 80% phy attk

And Fimero, i outdamage the +7 glavies on the serv.. with crits aswell on 2 hits... (stabs vs Death bringer spear)

(possible you didnt see that the sun blade has higher phy/rein then the +7 glavie)

BUT! I already made a decision, going for 100/100/100.. and im already done reskilling cold, and light is on 31 atm.

But you guys can keep discussing the possibilities here, quite fun to read everyones opinion!

XMoshe · **Posted:** Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:53 am

Fimero wrote:

XMoshe wrote:

I don't think even a +7 glaive does more damage than a sun+5/7 crit 15/16 (dunno what it was) blade.

It's easy to check...Took the average white % for phy dmg's (any lvl 100 with a bit of cash will have atleast 61% on both).

Spoiler!

Higher phy damage, reinforce and crit. Glaive attacks do have a higher % but I don't think he'll still deal more damage with the blade in the end, cuz of that 5 crit increase.

idk the damage and % difference of heuk and bich but even so
heukc bich would be a good comination
its kinda sad a sun +6 blade isnt stronger then a +7 glaive

You must have missed something or you just don't want to see it, but the sun+6 blade is stronger than the glaive, like I said. And now roze said he has 80% so it gets even more damage.

Fimero · **Posted:** Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:21 am

Rozelady wrote:

My blade has a 80% phy attk

And Fimero, i outdamage the +7 glavies on the serv.. with crits aswell on 2 hits... (stabs vs Death bringer spear)

(possible you didnt see that the sun blade has higher phy/rein then the +7 glavie)

BUT! I already made a decision, going for 100/100/100.. and im already done reskilling cold, and light is on 31 atm.

But you guys can keep discussing the possibilities here, quite fun to read everyones opinion!

do you do more damage because you are farmed? better gear? and debuffed?

Fimero · **Posted:** Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:22 am

XMoshe wrote:

Fimero wrote:

XMoshe wrote:

I don't think even a +7 glaive does more damage than a sun+5/7 crit 15/16 (dunno what it was) blade.

It's easy to check...Took the average white % for phy dmg's (any lvl 100 with a bit of cash will have atleast 61% on both).

Spoiler!

Higher phy damage, reinforce and crit. Glaive attacks do have a higher % but I don't think he'll still deal more damage with the blade in the end, cuz of that 5 crit increase.

idk the damage and % difference of heuk and bich but even so
heukc bich would be a good comination
its kinda sad a sun +6 blade isnt stronger then a +7 glaive

You must have missed something or you just don't want to see it, but the sun+6 blade is stronger than the glaive, like I said. And now roze said he has 80% so it gets even more damage.

i actually did see but since i was replying fast and didnt re-read my post i missed a word.
i ment to say its sad that the blade isnt much stronger.

Rozelady · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 314 **Location:**

Well my blade is 160 attack points stronger than a +7 glavie.. i consider that as much.. (meaning the glavie has to be +10 and then it still lacks 10 points)
+ the reinforces

and for being stronger.. Yeah ok, might be cuz of my set..but isnt that the same factor as we are using on the weapons?
Better weapon = higher damage
better gear = lower damage taken

XMoshe · **Posted:** Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:49 am

Set has nothing to do with the dmg dealt...If they both have maxed str that is ofcourse. (or atleast about the same amount of str on the set)

Ofcourse the blade isn't much stronger because it's still a 1handed weapon where a glaive is 2handed >.<

Rozelady · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 314 **Location:**

I know it doesnt, but for the damage TAKEN

i mean.. my +7 set is quite good at that ^^

Fimero · **Posted:** Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:49 pm

yea like i said he is a blader with a prot set and a sheild (btw how good is your sheild?)
his blues could be better as well
now for weapon wise we all know it is stronger
but the weapons skills could make a difference.

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