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 Post subject: Interesting and Effective Euro Builds?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:25 pm 
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Well i decided to go to ksro and make a euro for fun and wanted to know if there are any Interesting and Effective euro builds out there that wont suck for 1 on 1 or group pvp (one or the other works i dont mind)

I was thinking along the line of Rouge/Warlock but i want to see if you guys have any cooler ideas 8)

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 Post subject: Re: Interesting and Effective Euro Builds?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:34 pm 
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Just to be sure, you're looking for a good PVP character right?

1v1:

Warrior/cleric
Rogue/Cleric
Warlock/Cleric (hybrid)
Warrior/Rogue (yes they are GOODDDDD)
Warrior/Warlock ( :twisted: )
Rogue/Warlock ( :twisted: )


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Warrior/cleric (yes they are that good)
Warlock/Cleric (hybrid)
there's more but im not sure soz... :D


the classic will be warrior/cleric that is a all rounder in pve and pvp. same with rogue/cleric. but if you wanna be unique and have fun then you should go for warrior/warlock but your SP requirement will skyrocket :P

im playing warlock/cleric now and its a very interesting class, just that the mp cost of skills are slightly ridiculous.

:nowant: high mp cost :soosad:

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 Post subject: Re: Interesting and Effective Euro Builds?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:38 pm 
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Well i think im going for the latter of the two and pick rouge/warlock. Thanks for the help :twisted:

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 Post subject: Re: Interesting and Effective Euro Builds?
PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 7:35 am 
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ahhaah no problem, but be reminded that rogue/warlock is very powerful and somewhat fragile.

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 Post subject: Re: Interesting and Effective Euro Builds?
PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:37 pm 
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Warlock is a good build in ksro since they have the 50% resist instead of 100% in isro.

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 Post subject: Re: Interesting and Effective Euro Builds?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:24 pm 
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just curious but why not Rogue/Cleric as a good group pvp build?
i know rogues are mostly only good lurers(maybe ok DD) in parties, but in party pvp is where they shine imo.

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 Post subject: Re: Interesting and Effective Euro Builds?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:13 pm 
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warrior-cleric rogue-cleric - favorite for pvp
than wiz-cleric - if you know play you rape people in two skills fast pvp , strong and boring after sometime.
warrior-warlock,rogue-warlock - very strong against chinese and nice vs euro
warlock-cleric - very annoyer in pvp can be really nice =]

for 1v1

for party share

wizard is damagedealer very useful
bard make dances and give speed
warlock can debuff and make the monster with def like mangyang.
rogue i dislike this build for party share [with xbow cuz kb and kd] but with dagger+desparate buff he is awesome good damagedealer
warrior - warrior buffs useful in party and warrior can be tank char in party share.

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 Post subject: Re: Interesting and Effective Euro Builds?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:27 pm 
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aishsharma wrote:
larrylhm wrote:
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just curious but why not Rogue/Cleric as a good group pvp build?
i know rogues are mostly only good lurers(maybe ok DD) in parties, but in party pvp is where they shine imo.


well i havent had much experience with rogue so i cant add it in, and i already explained because im not familiar with group pvp soz :P

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 Post subject: Re: Interesting and Effective Euro Builds?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 12:10 am 
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MeNii wrote:
warrior-cleric rogue-cleric - favorite for pvp
than wiz-cleric - if you know play you rape people in two skills fast pvp , strong and boring after sometime.
warrior-warlock,rogue-warlock - very strong against chinese and nice vs euro
warlock-cleric - very annoyer in pvp can be really nice =]

for 1v1

for party share

wizard is damagedealer very useful
bard make dances and give speed
warlock can debuff and make the monster with def like mangyang.
rogue i dislike this build for party share [with xbow cuz kb and kd] but with dagger+desparate buff he is awesome good damagedealer
warrior - warrior buffs useful in party and warrior can be tank char in party share.


Rogue with X-Bow are awesome for luring, if they don't use KB or KD, and Dagger is actually kinda useless for pts imo, as they don't have AoEs. A wizard instead of a dagger rogue would be more efficient.

Personally i like the warlock/cleric build most, especially with reduced holy word resistance as on TSRO, CSRO or KSRO this build is really strong. I disagree going hybrid though, as i think, that euro-chars should be either full STR or full INT. Warlock/Cleric is awesome for pts and you don't die as fast as other int-characters, while your damage is still really good and debuffs, trap, sleep and offering is the absolute killer-combo in PVP. And btw, if you plan on going Warlock/Cleric i recommend to get most of the cleric skills too, as clerics are always needed in pts and if there is already one in pt, you can go warlock.


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 Post subject: Re: Interesting and Effective Euro Builds?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:30 am 
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Kronos wrote:
MeNii wrote:
warrior-cleric rogue-cleric - favorite for pvp
than wiz-cleric - if you know play you rape people in two skills fast pvp , strong and boring after sometime.
warrior-warlock,rogue-warlock - very strong against chinese and nice vs euro
warlock-cleric - very annoyer in pvp can be really nice =]

for 1v1

for party share

wizard is damagedealer very useful
bard make dances and give speed
warlock can debuff and make the monster with def like mangyang.
rogue i dislike this build for party share [with xbow cuz kb and kd] but with dagger+desparate buff he is awesome good damagedealer
warrior - warrior buffs useful in party and warrior can be tank char in party share.


Rogue with X-Bow are awesome for luring, if they don't use KB or KD, and Dagger is actually kinda useless for pts imo, as they don't have AoEs. A wizard instead of a dagger rogue would be more efficient.

Personally i like the warlock/cleric build most, especially with reduced holy word resistance as on TSRO, CSRO or KSRO this build is really strong. I disagree going hybrid though, as i think, that euro-chars should be either full STR or full INT. Warlock/Cleric is awesome for pts and you don't die as fast as other int-characters, while your damage is still really good and debuffs, trap, sleep and offering is the absolute killer-combo in PVP. And btw, if you plan on going Warlock/Cleric i recommend to get most of the cleric skills too, as clerics are always needed in pts and if there is already one in pt, you can go warlock.


and where do you see in my msg any word about "go hybrid"?
and fine ,Let's go out assuming that holy spell get reduce to 50%
what warlock can do against ice wall?

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 Post subject: Re: Interesting and Effective Euro Builds?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:48 am 
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The 2nd passage of my text wasn't targeted at you anymore. Someone else suggested to go warlock/cleric hybrid and i just said, that i don't think it's a good idea.

Hm, and for Ice-Wall i don't know exactly. I think it has been fixed on KSRO too, not sure about this though as i barely do PVP, at least not against chinese builds.

And correct me, if i am wrong, but i think that stun would interrupt Ice-Wall. Anyway i don't play Warlock/Cleric for PVP, i play it as i like it to do pts with it. And if i do PVP, we usually do Party vs Party PVP, as it is more realistic. You'll always be in a group, while doing job, fortress war or guild war and there should be some characters in your pt too, which can break through Ice-Wall. Taking a build just because it is good in 1 vs. 1 PVP is kinda stupid imo.


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 Post subject: Re: Interesting and Effective Euro Builds?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 12:19 pm 
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hmm stun+debuffs not work on ice wall
just skills+dots like decayed curse breath and vampire touch/kiss

and warlock-cleric in fw is shit. eveyone have holyspell or backup from side etc. better be damage dealear like wizard [if you int euro in fw] but he can be nice like a resser/healer/blesser/reflecter/stunner

anyway i thought u said hybrid-warlock-cleric to me
because you quote my msg.

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 Post subject: Re: Interesting and Effective Euro Builds?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 12:36 pm 
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Well, on KSRO warlock isn't shit even with Holy Spell. You can quite easily break through it. And actually you can still go cleric for group PVP. Not the worst option, at least not for me, as i like being cleric.

And i should probably get some chinese to try out, if Ice-Wall still resists all warlock-spells. Many bugs got fixed in KSRO, so probably this one too.

You could maybe just keep some distance, if your opponent is using Ice-Wall, as he is immobile then. Quite a good strategy against glaivers or bladers, as they don't have many ranged attacks. Wouldn't work against bowers or nukers though.

Against nukers i would try to use the cleric absolutes, as they usually have snow shield too. It was usually pretty good against them, as most of them can't handle 2 absolutes in a row and if you are using cleric rod with LA, passives and buffs, normal nukers can't really kill you, as you have an excellent defence against magical attacks and HC fills your HP even faster than chinese without pot-delay.

So STR-Bowers with Ice-Wall should be the only problem. If he is just using a low lv. ice-wall, you could probably take it down with a x-bow. If he has cold maxed it will get quite hard to get through it. But most bowers don't have maxed cold anyway.


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 Post subject: Re: Interesting and Effective Euro Builds?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:11 pm 
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hmmm warlock can be nice in fw
i didnt said it =]

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 Post subject: Re: Interesting and Effective Euro Builds?
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if you will play for fun, than go rogue/cleric.


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