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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:33 pm 
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Ok, silo, i give up. I give an whole explanation of a previous experience on a game that offers a "botting" system, and all u can reply is accusations.

Go to hell.

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Find something and make me get banned, if you can, OR SHUT THE FCK UP. Arguing with u is just like read Shakespeare to a wall.

Just because other games have an automation system works well doesn't mean it will works in SRO too. We've already got thousands bots for like 4 years. Why would allowing bot in sro resolve the current problem? Care to elaborate?

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selenne wrote:
Ok, silo, i give up. I give an whole explanation of a previous experience on a game that offers a "botting" system, and all u can reply is accusations.

Go to hell.

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Find something and make me get banned, if you can, OR SHUT THE FCK UP. Arguing with u is just like read Shakespeare to a wall.

Just because other games have an automation system works well doesn't mean it will works in SRO too. We've already got thousands bots for like 4 years. Why would allowing bot in sro resolve the current problem? Care to elaborate?


Elaborate? I care.

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botting should be allowed.

before anybody spam nonsense rage and start a shitstorm, play JD.

Jade dynasty's system would work perfectly on sro. There, the own game gives a "bot" system, that makes the boring work (grinding for completing quests) while u can use ur time to join the zillion of events. if sro had a decent quest system, an ingame bot would fit.

the thing should be (in terms of xp gain)

partying > questing > mindless grinding

it isnt my fault if its easy to multiclient in sro.
also, if the questing system worked on sro like it does in JD, goldfarmming would be pointless.
Im lvl 118, only 1 char, never borrowed gold, never spent real cash, and never had a single problems with good gear or stuff.

Its possible and kinda easy to multiclient in JD. people just chose stay clean. why? Easy to find out why:
1. they dont need. 1 char and 24h are enough to have anything you want in game.
2. if 2 chars get xp from the same pc/ip or w/e, u'll surely get permabanned. - no matter if you didnt spent a cent or spend thousands and thousands of dollars.

Now, about turks. They sure are kids with powerful credit cards. But they just take advantage over a company that doesnt give a shit about game environment. if they can bot, multiclient, goldfarm, buy gold and shit, they'll do cuz they can - they have money and the permission.

If u fix the system correctly, with decent prizes, events and also decent punitions for the "smarts" u'll fix ur players.

And no, mi not saying it'll happen to sro. It wont.


Make any conclusion u want. Sro, built like it is, cant have a system for civilized ppl like jd has. And a system like that will never fit unless questing and etc etc get fixed.

I wont argue anymore.

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 Post subject: Re: If you could share accounts....
PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:57 pm 
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You do realize a 2 week event cannot keep everyone magically entertained. PvP has turned to garbage when people run around with millions of bards behind them. Last I checked jobbing has been dead. And having a simple event popping up every 2 hours makes it boring. What they should have done is make it every 5/6 hours a day so people wouldn't get so bored of it so quick and maybe with real prizes. Could have special drops like Roc and the new cave upcoming.

Now I haven't played in the past half year, but I assume it's the same as I left. Considering it was rolling like that since the start of 90cap.

It's because you sir and your bot friends failed to play a game, that's all. In ksro/vsro/csro, players enjoy the game without using bots.


Oh lol you didn't even bother reading my post at all did you? I mentioned nothing that can even relate to bots. Just too bad the amount of good posts you ever make are slim to none.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:37 pm 
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Toshiharu wrote:
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You do realize a 2 week event cannot keep everyone magically entertained. PvP has turned to garbage when people run around with millions of bards behind them. Last I checked jobbing has been dead. And having a simple event popping up every 2 hours makes it boring. What they should have done is make it every 5/6 hours a day so people wouldn't get so bored of it so quick and maybe with real prizes. Could have special drops like Roc and the new cave upcoming.

Now I haven't played in the past half year, but I assume it's the same as I left. Considering it was rolling like that since the start of 90cap.

It's because you sir and your bot friends failed to play a game, that's all. In ksro/vsro/csro, players enjoy the game without using bots.


Oh lol you didn't even bother reading my post at all did you? I mentioned nothing that can even relate to bots. Just too bad the amount of good posts you ever make are slim to none.



dont expect him to read the posts and try to understand our point.

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Selenne wrote:
botting should be allowed.

before anybody spam nonsense rage and start a shitstorm, play JD.

Jade dynasty's system would work perfectly on sro. I won't work on sro. There, the own game gives a "bot" system, that makes the boring work We already have bots in sro to do the boring work(grinding for completing quests) while u can use ur time to join the zillion of events. if sro had a decent quest system, an ingame bot would fit. Then players instead of killing mob to level up, they bot by doing quest. Nothing changed, there's still bots crowded the server 24/24

the thing should be (in terms of xp gain)

partying > questing > mindless grinding
in sro, party farm give more exp then solo, yet people still use bots. It's a mind problem rather a game problem.
it isnt my fault if its easy to multiclient in sro.
also, if the questing system worked on sro like it does in JD, goldfarmming would be pointless.Godbots farm gold because they want to have gold. The general law of every game is simple. Mob drop stuffs, you sell stuffs for gold. Even if they don't drop gold, you can still farm materials or elements
Im lvl 118, only 1 char, never borrowed gold, never spent real cash, and never had a single problems with good gear or stuff.

Its possible and kinda easy to multiclient in JD. people just chose stay clean. In sro, people choose the be dirty why? Easy to find out why:
1. they dont need. 1 char and 24h are enough to have anything you want in game. Most people in sro are greedy, they don't want enough, they want exceed, they want to have zillions of gold then sell for real cash, therefore the goldbots
2. if 2 chars get xp from the same pc/ip or w/e, u'll surely get permabanned. - no matter if you didnt spent a cent or spend thousands and thousands of dollars.So it means that people in the same LAN can't play the game

Now, about turks. They sure are kids with powerful credit cards. But they just take advantage over a company that doesnt give a shit about game environment. if they can bot, multiclient, goldfarm, buy gold and shit, they'll do cuz they can - they have money and the permission.

If u fix the system correctly, with decent prizes, events and also decent punitions for the "smarts" u'll fix ur players.Yes, the only thing I agree

And no, mi not saying it'll happen to sro. It wont.

In conclusion, all your arguments are based on "if-then". So instead of giving a tweak to sro, you want to change the gameplay completely into a new game. And i'm pretty sure JD has its own problem and you don't want to mention. People will always find a way to cheat.

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 Post subject: Re: If you could share accounts....
PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:20 pm 
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NuclearSilo wrote:
Selenne wrote:
botting should be allowed.

before anybody spam nonsense rage and start a shitstorm, play JD.

Jade dynasty's system would work perfectly on sro. I won't work on sro. There, the own game gives a "bot" system, that makes the boring work We already have bots in sro to do the boring work(grinding for completing quests) while u can use ur time to join the zillion of events. if sro had a decent quest system, an ingame bot would fit. Then players instead of killing mob to level up, they bot by doing quest. Nothing changed, there's still bots crowded the server 24/24

the thing should be (in terms of xp gain)

partying > questing > mindless grinding
in sro, party farm give more exp then solo, yet people still use bots. It's a mind problem rather a game problem.
it isnt my fault if its easy to multiclient in sro.
also, if the questing system worked on sro like it does in JD, goldfarmming would be pointless.Godbots farm gold because they want to have gold. The general law of every game is simple. Mob drop stuffs, you sell stuffs for gold. Even if they don't drop gold, you can still farm materials or elements
Im lvl 118, only 1 char, never borrowed gold, never spent real cash, and never had a single problems with good gear or stuff.

Its possible and kinda easy to multiclient in JD. people just chose stay clean. In sro, people choose the be dirty why? Easy to find out why:
1. they dont need. 1 char and 24h are enough to have anything you want in game. Most people in sro are greedy, they don't want enough, they want exceed, they want to have zillions of gold then sell for real cash, therefore the goldbots
2. if 2 chars get xp from the same pc/ip or w/e, u'll surely get permabanned. - no matter if you didnt spent a cent or spend thousands and thousands of dollars.So it means that people in the same LAN can't play the game

Now, about turks. They sure are kids with powerful credit cards. But they just take advantage over a company that doesnt give a shit about game environment. if they can bot, multiclient, goldfarm, buy gold and shit, they'll do cuz they can - they have money and the permission.

If u fix the system correctly, with decent prizes, events and also decent punitions for the "smarts" u'll fix ur players.Yes, the only thing I agree

And no, mi not saying it'll happen to sro. It wont.

In conclusion, all your arguments are based on "if-then". So instead of giving a tweak to sro, you want to change the gameplay completely into a new game. And i'm pretty sure JD has its own problem and you don't want to mention. People will always find a way to cheat.


Idk how the multiclient ban work exactly. But everybody just doesnt get xp with 2 chars at same time cuz everybody knows that would be a certain ban. And i never heard of problems involving ppl at lan houses or cyber coffees.

About xp problem: an ingame bot (or just no bots at all, ingame or 3rd part), that comes with a decent questing (and not kill 28121621314141 mobs to get 100k gold), and effective party grinding (not supported by the ingame bot system), would make ppl actually PLAY the game.
Atm, sro is just "reach 10d, so then u can go out at dowhang to try to find a fair pvp".
Triangular conflict doesnt give enough profit for the current prices, and has strutural problems, like the possibility of outside ressers. Fortress is a joke. SP requirements are insane. What ppl can do? Bot. Or quit, but they wont quit if botting is so easy.

About the questing and gold farming problems, try a few days playing JD and u'll understand what i say.

Ppl bot for gold cuz economy is fcked up and theres a shitload of companies selling gold. The own players can sell gold if they feel like.
If the own quests and grinding were source of enough profit, and goldselling and multiclient suffer serious punishments, half of our problems would be fixed.

How to fix SRO if not by making huge changes? "Ifs" gotta be "ifs" because theyre just ideas, supositions. Our 4~5 years of sro are enough proof that the current system doesnt work. Heavy grinding and lvl-based fun (high lvl or no deal) just make ppl bot to get where they want - high lvl with large ammounts of gold to buy the overpriced shit due to gold selling and private gold farming.

And JD might have its problems, every game has. But im not experiencing any of em yet, and im 119/150 atm.





ps.: I love when ppl dont agree. Thats a chance to "elaborate" and think together. I just get pissed off when they act like jerks and come with baseless acusations. Thank you very much for the rational and civilized answer.


Edit: sorry for any possible english mistake. Im in hurry for work. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: If you could share accounts....
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that would be nice, but there will must be a way to avoid any kind of scam, hack etc
cant think how can this be done lol

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if people will start share.
you will see
more scams and hacks =]
but if you get ur trust in people , maybe they can give u log ;P

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NuclearSilo wrote:
Selenne wrote:
botting should be allowed.

before anybody spam nonsense rage and start a shitstorm, play JD.

Jade dynasty's system would work perfectly on sro. I won't work on sro. There, the own game gives a "bot" system, that makes the boring work We already have bots in sro to do the boring work(grinding for completing quests) while u can use ur time to join the zillion of events. if sro had a decent quest system, an ingame bot would fit. Then players instead of killing mob to level up, they bot by doing quest. Nothing changed, there's still bots crowded the server 24/24

the thing should be (in terms of xp gain)

partying > questing > mindless grinding
in sro, party farm give more exp then solo, yet people still use bots. It's a mind problem rather a game problem.
it isnt my fault if its easy to multiclient in sro.
also, if the questing system worked on sro like it does in JD, goldfarmming would be pointless.Godbots farm gold because they want to have gold. The general law of every game is simple. Mob drop stuffs, you sell stuffs for gold. Even if they don't drop gold, you can still farm materials or elements
Im lvl 118, only 1 char, never borrowed gold, never spent real cash, and never had a single problems with good gear or stuff.

Its possible and kinda easy to multiclient in JD. people just chose stay clean. In sro, people choose the be dirty why? Easy to find out why:
1. they dont need. 1 char and 24h are enough to have anything you want in game. Most people in sro are greedy, they don't want enough, they want exceed, they want to have zillions of gold then sell for real cash, therefore the goldbots
2. if 2 chars get xp from the same pc/ip or w/e, u'll surely get permabanned. - no matter if you didnt spent a cent or spend thousands and thousands of dollars.So it means that people in the same LAN can't play the game

Now, about turks. They sure are kids with powerful credit cards. But they just take advantage over a company that doesnt give a shit about game environment. if they can bot, multiclient, goldfarm, buy gold and shit, they'll do cuz they can - they have money and the permission.

If u fix the system correctly, with decent prizes, events and also decent punitions for the "smarts" u'll fix ur players.Yes, the only thing I agree

And no, mi not saying it'll happen to sro. It wont.

In conclusion, all your arguments are based on "if-then". So instead of giving a tweak to sro, you want to change the gameplay completely into a new game. And i'm pretty sure JD has its own problem and you don't want to mention. People will always find a way to cheat.



End of story, it takes too long to level, and to people sro just isnt worth that amount of time. Thus the bot is born. Then people realize they can sell gold for profit and the whole cycle begins.

BUT! if the automated system were in place and the game was more about PLAYING than GRINDING, the above problems would have never occurred. The very nature of SRO caused its ultimate downfall, its only been accelerated by an exceedingly poor administration and group of JM/GM. Remember even games like WoW and Aion have bots.

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After getting more and more busy, I started sharing my account on csro with another guy whom I met on csro and have played with for a long time. And of course we shared his account too :) It went really well and we lvled way faster than normally.

Also, we never had any problems with "I wanna log now, get off the char!" as we always had two chars AND he often played from 14-17 and I played from 18-21 or so :)

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That was a joke right? a bad one i think...would u share ur wife too?

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That was a joke right? a bad one i think...would u share ur wife too?


I dont think I understand what you mean :?
There's a differents between viedeo games and real life , you know :wink:

And also you wouldnt profit if you shared your wive :)

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i share accounts with my mate we do it wen we get back into sro we never really hav arguments its not that hard to keep peace unless ur some no life nerd who carres wayyyy to much bout sro


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been there before, done that.

the person didn't speak english very well tho, and was very shy, so only when it was my turn, the char would talk.

and sometimes, he'd click in the sky and go against a rock for hours, but yeah, was all cool.

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I've played subscription base MMO's before and the questing system as well as the exp gain rate didn't leave you exhaustively bored. By having a subscription the game can be more interesting to play. I wish SRO was purely subscription based. Zero chance of playing unless you subscribed.

Joymax make their money by tweaking the exp gain rate which forces a player to put in lots of time. More time means more money for Joymax. If Joymax main avenue of making money was from the amount of subscription they get then they wouldn't need to make this game such a grind. We all feel the grind. That is why so many bots exist. That is why this thread exist.

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