It Takes More Faith To Believe in Evolution and The Big Bang
Why does faith in a Supreme Creator, God, merit any less belief than what others believe. Does it require more faith to believe that God created what we see or to believe that something the size of a baseball exploded and expanded to create what we have now in the outer expansions of space? If so, how did the Sun, Jupiter and Saturn fit in that baseball-sized material? Also, if we arose over time as a result of the primordial ooze then how did the first thing that wriggled in there know the other one was wriggling so they could come together to create another wriggling thing. Also, if monkeys turned into men where are these monkeys now? Why are they not still evolving into men? Why are not we evolving into something else? Also, the Bible explicitly said that the world was round , the moon reflected the light of the sun, the sun was the center of our universe and that there were springs and chasms under the sea many thousands of years before men figured it out. So, why replace faith with something harder to believe? After all, belief in evolution, the big bang and other such things constitute faith and religion in and of themselves. Other than that, it is mighty funny that over 90% of early scientists who made significant finds and contributions to their respective fields were Christians to begin with. Go figure. This debate is as old as time and will only be settled when God decides to reveal the truth. One wonders how anyone can seriously study science and believe half of the modern junk out their being sold as fact. Carbon dating has been proven to be erroneous. Many of the early hominids have been proven to either be hoaxes or not as old as others purported. Some scientists say that humans and dinosaurs never roamed the earth at the same time, yet the Bible says they did. Also, there are plenty of fossils were man's footprints appear inside of a dinosaur's. There have been petrified trees only thousands of years old thrust face down at an angle crossing through millions of years of strata in rock samples which would be supportive of a worldwide catastrophic flood of Genesis proportions. See, the fact is Science and faith can work together, the problem is some people think it can't. Prove to me there is no God. Where you cannot, I can show mathematical and scientific impossibilities in nature that prove a Divine and Intelligent Creator had His hand in it all. After all, who would believe that a Rolex they came across just evolved on its own? No intelligent being would. It would be quite evident that a watchmaker had to be involved with its creation. The creation around us is just the same. Now, refute that.
Facepalm indeed. A watch is non-living, a cell is. Components of a cell can spontaneously arrange themselves when certain elements are present. Not a good comparison at all.
Intersecting rock layers can be a result of movement via man, or powerful event.
Theory of the start of the universe range too vast and too complex to be explained on an forum so ima skip it.
There are monkeys now because the monkey which evolved into humans are now humans. An easier example is: If one bacterial strand becomes ampicillin resistant doesn't mean they all will. Some will still be safe since they were never exposed. Hence we have ampicillin resistant strain and ampicillin susceptible. Same with evolution. Just because 1 monkey changed and reproduced doesn't mean that all monkeys will as well.
My thing with religion is that Man is involved. If it was some sacred text that no one has touched or edited I can believe it. However, man was involved and man isn't known for being unbiased.
For awhile, it was all "known" that the Christian view on the earth's position was at the center of the universe as God intended. Not sure why ppl kept saying the Bible stated that the sun was the center of our solar system... for one, that was edited later to change from earth to sun. Secondly, it isn't even the sun, we're nowhere near the center of the universe.
Lastly, it wasn't just Christians that were scientist. Scientists can be found in many other cultures as well. That's just a stupid, ignorant western view.
There's prob more that's wrong, but too lazy to bother pointing it all out.
TLDR - Religion = influenced by man = can't be trusted. The religion might truly be the one true teaching, but when man is involved, it's hard to know if it remained accurate.
Thing with religion is that as it grows, it gets embedded into a society and gains power. Then it becomes scared of losing that power and will make changes to maintain the status quo...
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So I don't insult or directly challenge anyone, and my post gets ignored. Awesome.
You've been here long enough to know the people who did read it are too busy face palming at the idiocy and probably agree with you. Besides, it's difficult to add to an argument so well thought out by a philosopher like Russell, and near impossible to refute it without sounding stupid so it's simpler just to ignore it. But yeah, if you want conversation, just add the random **** you or you're a Farking retard. Always worked for me in threads I wanted to continue a conversation. People just can't walk away from a "hey, you're Farking stupid" it seems.
To be honest, if your post is long enough or concise+good enough (apparently people here can only pick one of the two and can't combine them into something wonderful) I either won't read it to know there are flames or won't care cause the discussion outweighs the flames.
im serious, scientology is the best religion, anybody agree?
Saw this commercial on TV last week. Typical video montage with those one liners that give off this awe-inspiring feeling that always gets me. Then, they reveal the title:
Both are just a matter of personal belief and opinion unless real facts are provided. Not just imaging what used to be here billions of years ago. No way to know for sure without some dandy time traveling.
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Or dying... Which is part of the whole problem. Why can't there be some kind of definitive proof? Why do we have to die in order to find out what really happens, in the meantime, hope we hit the right religion while actually living? Not saying that God or Gods/Goddesses have to actually walk among us all the time, but some kind of proof would be nice. Don't even try "oh miracles! Jesus! Santa!!! They all happen!!!"
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Both are just a matter of personal belief and opinion unless real facts are provided. Not just imaging what used to be here billions of years ago. No way to know for sure without some dandy time traveling.
The same way no one can prove a murder because no one was there to witness it, right?
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MrJoey wrote:
Or dying... Which is part of the whole problem. Why can't there be some kind of definitive proof? Why do we have to die in order to find out what really happens, in the meantime, hope we hit the right religion while actually living? Not saying that God or Gods/Goddesses have to actually walk among us all the time, but some kind of proof would be nice. Don't even try "oh miracles! Jesus! Santa!!! They all happen!!!"
/If you dun believe in a God, dun bother reading/
Well the God I believe in... It's not about if you "hit" the right religion. There isn't going to be a specific religion that will be saved. You could be a guy that never missed a day of church in his life and still never make it into the kingdom of heaven. On the same foot, you could be someone that's never heard the word of God in your life and still have a chance to be saved.
It's not about what religion you're, it's about how you lived your life.
Well the God I believe in... It's not about if you "hit" the right religion. There isn't going to be a specific religion that will be saved. You could be a guy that never missed a day of church in his life and still never make it into the kingdom of heaven. On the same foot, you could be someone that's never heard the word of God in your life and still have a chance to be saved.
It's not about what religion you're, it's about how you lived your life.
Is this just something you made up to make you feel good inside or did you read it from a text written by a man who did the same? I don't ask this as an insult, but as an inquiry to get you thinking. Think about what I'm asking and analyze what it means.
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Fiction wrote:
MrJoey wrote:
Or dying... Which is part of the whole problem. Why can't there be some kind of definitive proof? Why do we have to die in order to find out what really happens, in the meantime, hope we hit the right religion while actually living? Not saying that God or Gods/Goddesses have to actually walk among us all the time, but some kind of proof would be nice. Don't even try "oh miracles! Jesus! Santa!!! They all happen!!!"
/If you dun believe in a God, dun bother reading/
Well the God I believe in... It's not about if you "hit" the right religion. There isn't going to be a specific religion that will be saved. You could be a guy that never missed a day of church in his life and still never make it into the kingdom of heaven. On the same foot, you could be someone that's never heard the word of God in your life and still have a chance to be saved.
It's not about what religion you're, it's about how you lived your life.
I would respond in a very sarcastic way... but I'll be nice, just read EvGa's post.
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EvGa wrote:
Fiction wrote:
Well the God I believe in... It's not about if you "hit" the right religion. There isn't going to be a specific religion that will be saved. You could be a guy that never missed a day of church in his life and still never make it into the kingdom of heaven. On the same foot, you could be someone that's never heard the word of God in your life and still have a chance to be saved.
It's not about what religion you're, it's about how you lived your life.
Is this just something you made up to make you feel good inside or did you read it from a text written by a man who did the same?
Serious.
Yeah... This is simply made up to make me feel good inside... That explains it all... /sarcasm.
"I don't ask this as an insult, but as an inquiry to get you thinking. Think about what I'm asking and analyze what it means."
If I get what you're saying correct... You think that the bible or such was written for the soul purpose to make Christians (weak people that need to believe in a higher power to make it through this life- in your eyes anyways) feel good inside.
I also believe he judges by what a man knows, and not his ignorance. So the guy that goes to church every day will know right from wrong in the Lord's eyes, but will still go against it. "Those who were not told about him will see, and those who have not heard will understand."
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I didn't read most of the replies in this thread simply because there are too many, but I have one thing so say: In a few hundred years people will look back on us now and think how stupid humans were to have believed in these religions.
I mean think about it, the idea of Egyptian gods 3 thousand years ago is absolutely absurd, we know they don't exist yet some of you believe in God.
Don't mean to offend anyone with what I've just said, just my opinion.
I didn't read most of the replies in this thread simply because there are too many, but I have one thing so say: In a few hundred years people will look back on us now and think how stupid humans were to have believed in these religions.
I mean think about it, the idea of Egyptian gods 3 thousand years ago is absolutely absurd, we know they don't exist yet some of you believe in God.
Don't mean to offend anyone with what I've just said, just my opinion.
than a few hundred years later the people then will look back and laugh at the theories and technology of the 21st century, same way how the people in the 21st century laugh at age old scientific methods and theories (the earth is the center of the universe mate!)
See I can do that too
/flame shield on
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I don't know, Egyptian religion wasn't as widespread as most of the ones are today. I honestly think that the churches are too powerful now to die out like that. You never know though, they might screw up somewhere.
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I don't know, Egyptian religion wasn't as widespread as most of the ones are today. I honestly think that the churches are too powerful now to die out like that. You never know though, they might screw up somewhere.
I foresee the end of the Catholic church in the near future, but that's just me and it's just a random guess.
than a few hundred years later the people then will look back and laugh at the theories and technology of the 21st century, same way how the people in the 21st century laugh at age old scientific methods and theories (the earth is the center of the universe mate!)
See I can do that too
/flame shield on
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Your error here is postulating that every wrong or every right is wrong and right in the same degree. That is to say, your perspective on what is right and what is wrong would equate something that is largely incorrect (i.e, Earth is flat) to something that's kind of incorrect (i.e, Earth is spherical). Scientific theories are never an open-and-shut case as you seem to think. This allows for more refined results to be introduced in the future with the coming of new technologies that are more sensitive and can deliver more accurate results. The geocentric model (Earth in middle of universe) was made using pure observation based on the movements of celestial bodies across the skies. Once the technology and methods were there to prove otherwise, we filtered it out. Theories are not there to give absolute statements, but reasonable estimates of how things work. Furthermore, there are no dogmatic principles ingrained into the field of science, so change is not only allowed but highly encouraged.
I didn't read most of the replies in this thread simply because there are too many, but I have one thing so say: In a few hundred years people will look back on us now and think how stupid humans were to have believed in these religions.
I mean think about it, the idea of Egyptian gods 3 thousand years ago is absolutely absurd, we know they don't exist yet some of you believe in God.
Don't mean to offend anyone with what I've just said, just my opinion.
Beat me to it
Also I have never been a Christian and never read the bible so can someone who has explain this to me:
If God has an rival/nemesis aka the Devil, then how is he omnipotent and Christians describe. If he was Impotent then he would not have a nemesis he would have locked him up or something.
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