Apple Fails, yet again to appeal to real consumers.

_c0nflict_ · **Joined:** Oct 2009 **Posts:** 250 **Location:**

So once again we see that Apple is really only concerned with being considered a status symbol in the world. They released their new 12 core Mac Pro today, complete with a 5k$ pricetag, baseline. If you know much about computers you'll know that gernerally in most processes beyond that of a server running copious WMWare Workstations, the processor is RARELY the bottleneck to your pc's effectivness. The exception being gaming, but if youre gaming, its more than likely NOT going to be on a mac. In addition, Apple is offering a shitty Radeon HD video card, INSTEAD of the better nvidia.

Essentially, apple continues to show that there really are few differences in Mac's and PC's nowadays. Minus the asthetics of your OS, corporate viability, and oh yes: The retarted pricing.

Article: http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/appl ... re-proces/

Azilius · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 4236 **Location:** CS:GO

_c0nflict_ wrote:

So once again we see that Apple is really only concerned with being considered a status symbol in the world. They released their new 12 core Mac Pro today, complete with a 5k$ pricetag, baseline. If you know much about computers you'll know that gernerally in most processes beyond that of a server running copious WMWare Workstations, the processor is RARELY the bottleneck to your pc's effectivness. The exception being gaming, but if youre gaming, its more than likely NOT going to be on a mac. In addition, Apple is offering a shitty Radeon HD video card, INSTEAD of the better nvidia.

Essentially, apple continues to show that there really are few differences in Mac's and PC's nowadays. Minus the asthetics of your OS, corporate viability, and oh yes: The retarted pricing.

Article: http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/appl ... re-proces/

ha ha ha ha

Ownage · **Joined:** Jul 2009 **Posts:** 1173 **Location:** SwSro!

_c0nflict_ wrote:

So once again we see that Apple is really only concerned with being considered a status symbol in the world. They released their new 12 core Mac Pro today, complete with a 5k$ pricetag, baseline. If you know much about computers you'll know that gernerally in most processes beyond that of a server running copious WMWare Workstations, the processor is RARELY the bottleneck to your pc's effectivness. The exception being gaming, but if youre gaming, its more than likely NOT going to be on a mac. In addition, Apple is offering a shitty Radeon HD video card, INSTEAD of the better nvidia.

Essentially, apple continues to show that there really are few differences in Mac's and PC's nowadays. Minus the asthetics of your OS, corporate viability, and oh yes: The retarted pricing.

Article: http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/appl ... re-proces/

Shitty Radeon? Nvidia is a lot worse then Ati, they price their Farking things wayy higher then ATI and usually are just on par with it.

For example the best ATI and Nvidia cards out atm the 5870 and the 480. the 480 is only marginally better then the 5870, beats it by just 5-15%, but the price tag is about $150 more then the ATI. It also uses up a crazy high amount of voltage.

But OnT: Yes I agree that mac is overpriced. But it is a brand name now so everything from apple is expected to be overpriced at this point.

Cyanide · **Joined:** May 2009 **Posts:** 102 **Location:** Earth

consumers? i think u mean customers...

Gaigemasta · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 4474 **Location:**

I have a Server board with dual i7 (8 core), 24 gb ram (12 slots of 2gb, 6 for each bus), sli gtx 470 (..... the 480 lol XD), and 5tb of internal and external HDD space, of it is 64 gb is SSD. Cost around 3.7k w/o taxes

WINDOWS 4EVER

Squirt · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 8186 **Location:**

Gaige wrote:

I have a Server board with dual i7 (8 core), 24 gb ram (12 slots of 2gb, 6 for each bus), sli gtx 470 (..... the 480 lol XD), and 5tb of internal and external HDD space, of it is 64 gb is SSD. Cost around 3.7k w/o taxes

WINDOWS 4EVER

My god you have a porn machine.
you just turned 18 what do you need a PC like that for >_>?

TheDrop · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 7150 **Location:** uefa2012

Intel > Ati and Nvidia

hehe

TheDrop · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 7150 **Location:** uefa2012

Intel > Ati and Nvidia

hehe

sting13 · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 689 **Location:**

This is not about intel vs ati, its clearly apple bashing. No home user would ever need a mac like this, its clearly for studio editing, so $5,000 is nothing. That being said, i hate apple and i wish they would burn..... :nowant:

Mirosuke · **Posted:** Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:43 pm

Well, thats weirds.
My Graphic car don this lap which i had more than 5 years is ATI and didn't have any issues.
I had some time ago a Desktop with Nvidia Video Card, i sold it. But it was running flawlessly. Dunno why one is better than the other.

XemnasXD · **Posted:** Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:12 pm

Mirosuke wrote:

Well, thats weirds.
My Graphic car don this lap which i had more than 5 years is ATI and didn't have any issues.
I had some time ago a Desktop with Nvidia Video Card, i sold it. But it was running flawlessly. Dunno why one is better than the other.

run quickly...this is not the place for you

[SD]Master_Wong · **Posted:** Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:23 pm

_c0nflict_ wrote:

So once again we see that Apple is really only concerned with being considered a status symbol in the world. They released their new 12 core Mac Pro today, complete with a 5k$ pricetag, baseline. If you know much about computers you'll know that gernerally in most processes beyond that of a server running copious WMWare Workstations, the processor is RARELY the bottleneck to your pc's effectivness. The exception being gaming, but if youre gaming, its more than likely NOT going to be on a mac. In addition, Apple is offering a shitty Radeon HD video card, INSTEAD of the better nvidia.

Essentially, apple continues to show that there really are few differences in Mac's and PC's nowadays. Minus the asthetics of your OS, corporate viability, and oh yes: The retarted pricing.

Article: http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/appl ... re-proces/

better nvidia? where have you been the past year and some bit. ati are the market leaders right now look it up if you want to question it

Ownage · **Joined:** Jul 2009 **Posts:** 1173 **Location:** SwSro!

Overall I think 4 gig RAM, about 320/500 gb is good enough for normal use. I3 processor would suffice as well i5 would add some speed though.

@Mirosuke, the difference is mainly in the cost vs performance. ATI is more budget friendly with the same performance while nvidia costs more.

Gaigemasta · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 4474 **Location:**

Squirt wrote:

Gaige wrote:

I have a Server board with dual i7 (8 core), 24 gb ram (12 slots of 2gb, 6 for each bus), sli gtx 470 (..... the 480 lol XD), and 5tb of internal and external HDD space, of it is 64 gb is SSD. Cost around 3.7k w/o taxes

WINDOWS 4EVER

My god you have a porn machine.
you just turned 18 what do you need a PC like that for >_>?

I do 3D Modeling, I compile HUGE scripts, make games, play games, and watch REAL 3D PORN :twisted:

MrJoey · **Posted:** Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:50 am

So you get to see their diseased parts in 3D... grats.

Toshiharu · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 4222 **Location:** Nowhere

Ror wrote:

3 way sli GTX 480's are best atm amrite?

Nope. 6 9800s

But seriously.. ATi isn't bad anymore. If you've been living in a cave or a fanboy you wouldn't know.

Juicy · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 1233

Ownage wrote:

_c0nflict_ wrote:

So once again we see that Apple is really only concerned with being considered a status symbol in the world. They released their new 12 core Mac Pro today, complete with a 5k$ pricetag, baseline. If you know much about computers you'll know that gernerally in most processes beyond that of a server running copious WMWare Workstations, the processor is RARELY the bottleneck to your pc's effectivness. The exception being gaming, but if youre gaming, its more than likely NOT going to be on a mac. In addition, Apple is offering a shitty Radeon HD video card, INSTEAD of the better nvidia.

Essentially, apple continues to show that there really are few differences in Mac's and PC's nowadays. Minus the asthetics of your OS, corporate viability, and oh yes: The retarted pricing.

Article: http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/appl ... re-proces/

Shitty Radeon? Nvidia is a lot worse then Ati, they price their Farking things wayy higher then ATI and usually are just on par with it.

For example the best ATI and Nvidia cards out atm the 5870 and the 480. the 480 is only marginally better then the 5870, beats it by just 5-15%, but the price tag is about $150 more then the ATI. It also uses up a crazy high amount of voltage.

But OnT: Yes I agree that mac is overpriced. But it is a brand name now so everything from apple is expected to be overpriced at this point.

Best ATI card is actually the 5970.

Ownage · **Joined:** Jul 2009 **Posts:** 1173 **Location:** SwSro!

Juicy wrote:

Ownage wrote:

_c0nflict_ wrote:

So once again we see that Apple is really only concerned with being considered a status symbol in the world. They released their new 12 core Mac Pro today, complete with a 5k$ pricetag, baseline. If you know much about computers you'll know that gernerally in most processes beyond that of a server running copious WMWare Workstations, the processor is RARELY the bottleneck to your pc's effectivness. The exception being gaming, but if youre gaming, its more than likely NOT going to be on a mac. In addition, Apple is offering a shitty Radeon HD video card, INSTEAD of the better nvidia.

Essentially, apple continues to show that there really are few differences in Mac's and PC's nowadays. Minus the asthetics of your OS, corporate viability, and oh yes: The retarted pricing.

Article: http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/27/appl ... re-proces/

Shitty Radeon? Nvidia is a lot worse then Ati, they price their Farking things wayy higher then ATI and usually are just on par with it.

For example the best ATI and Nvidia cards out atm the 5870 and the 480. the 480 is only marginally better then the 5870, beats it by just 5-15%, but the price tag is about $150 more then the ATI. It also uses up a crazy high amount of voltage.

But OnT: Yes I agree that mac is overpriced. But it is a brand name now so everything from apple is expected to be overpriced at this point.

Best ATI card is actually the 5970.

O yea forgot about that, I was only thinking about laptops.

Skyve · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 7328 **Location:** Canada

Am I missing something? How did they get to 12? I though 6-Cores where gonna come out like next year(Intel i9)

Ownage · **Joined:** Jul 2009 **Posts:** 1173 **Location:** SwSro!

ExSoldier wrote:

Am I missing something? How did they get to 12? I though 6-Cores where gonna come out like next year(Intel i9)

I think they are coming out with something called Sandy-Box or smt next year, I can't remember for sure but I read about it a while go.

Azilius · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 4236 **Location:** CS:GO

amd hexa core is already out

some motherboards can have 2 CPU

strangelove · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 1255 **Location:** no

BREAKING NEWS- Computers not subsidized by third-party software trials are expensive as hell.

Miguez · **Joined:** Nov 2008 **Posts:** 5003 **Location:**

Cyanide wrote:

consumers? i think u mean customers...

oh haha

Azilius · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 4236 **Location:** CS:GO

Thee_UniQue wrote:

Cyanide wrote:

consumers? i think u mean customers...

oh haha

Actually they are called consumers..

William-CL · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 7363 **Location:** N/A

Nvidia was the leading in Graphics for a long time.. and they are still up there with Ati. Nvidia still has the worlds best Graphics GPU available.

Reise · **Joined:** May 2006 **Posts:** 6650 **Location:**

People like to shit on nVidia these days because they all read that their new line isn't much of an improvement.

Haters gonna hate, I guess.

I'd rather pay for nVidia and get semi-decent driver support, than deal with the clusterfuck ATI had going on, and has had going on for the last 8 years.

William-CL · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 7363 **Location:** N/A

I've never once had problems with Nvidia. ATI has more voltage -> performance than Nvidia. And what I mean by that is ATI would on average require a 500 PSU when Nvidia would only need a 400 PSU
My brother had a radeon 2 years back and it left a big ass line across his monitor and made the screen grainy.

[SD]Master_Wong · **Posted:** Thu Jul 29, 2010 9:16 am

Reise wrote:

People like to shit on nVidia these days because they all read that their new line isn't much of an improvement.

Haters gonna hate, I guess.

I'd rather pay for nVidia and get semi-decent driver support, than deal with the clusterfuck ATI had going on, and has had going on for the last 8 years.

im a nvidia fan i damn near bought one on release but fact been bar the 460 the other cards are not what they where expect to be, fermi gen 2 will likly be extremly powerful which is where nvidia will come back but right now on the full fat version of the chip its too power hungry and your money is far better spent on ati

Ownage · **Joined:** Jul 2009 **Posts:** 1173 **Location:** SwSro!

Reise wrote:

People like to shit on nVidia these days because they all read that their new line isn't much of an improvement.

Haters gonna hate, I guess.

I'd rather pay for nVidia and get semi-decent driver support, than deal with the clusterfuck ATI had going on, and has had going on for the last 8 years.

Nvidia's driver support is just as crappy as ATI. I had a driver problem with nvidia where I actually had to re-format and reinstall my windows 3 times and still didn't fix it. I tried to get help for 3 months and they provided nothing.

_c0nflict_ · **Joined:** Oct 2009 **Posts:** 250 **Location:**

Ownage wrote:

Reise wrote:

People like to shit on nVidia these days because they all read that their new line isn't much of an improvement.

Haters gonna hate, I guess.

I'd rather pay for nVidia and get semi-decent driver support, than deal with the clusterfuck ATI had going on, and has had going on for the last 8 years.

Nvidia's driver support is just as crappy as ATI. I had a driver problem with nvidia where I actually had to re-format and reinstall my windows 3 times and still didn't fix it. I tried to get help for 3 months and they provided nothing.

Sounds like a pc problem to me as opposed to an Nvidia driver problem...

Nvidia is much farther ahead in OpenCl support (ironically first developed by Apple), and is much more energy efficient in terms of heat and amount of power supply it uses. Beyond random personal experiences, i believe Nvidia will have better, more reliable, and efficient technology in the future.

More pointedly though, who needs a vid card with 12 cores? lol just donate 3 to gpu and youre good to go.

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