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Lol. There was not a mosque there before, and if there even was, tearing it down because it didn't get landmark status, and building a whole new, incredibly gigantic/elaborate one is plain disrespectful regardless. Build it a few blocks away, and that spot will be genuine. Building it here will of course make heads turn, and it's ridiculous to think that it won't. And for god sakes heroo, listen to Doppleganger. We can't let extremists tell us what to build where etc, I mean, it's ridiculous to build a gay bar, and hilarious, but if terrorists are threatening us, we have to at least display that we don't submit to them.

Questions:
If gays want a gay bar who can stop them?
If Moslims whant a mosque who can stop them?

People are against this? Holy shit this is so ironic.

inb4 Electric Six

if you had to choose between your own safety or showing extremists that you don't submit to them, what would you choose?

if you can 100% guarantee the safety of other people, then please bbe my guest and show those retarted extremists that we're not submitting to them. but untill you can guarantee that, i suggest not to build this gaybar. not because we're submitting to the extremists, but because we care more about the safety of other people.

Well, first letting them control what we build. Then what? Who we vote for for president, what rights we all receive? We don't let these insurgent extremists control us. And how are you sure they will kill people?

do you know who made this drawing ?

what you are saying is submitting to terrorism plain and simple. i probably shouldnt drive unless i can be 100% certain i wont get into a wreck. i probably shouldnt sleep unless im 100% sure i wont suffocate up in my pillow. i probably shouldnt take a shit unless i can be 100% sure i wont have hemerrhoids.

you yourself have made statements to the effect of taking arms against people doing things you dont like and you expect us to respect the things you say in this thread?

people throwing big baby fits because others dont conform to what they want is just to fucking bad.

You always make good posts

religious: our religion was used as an excuse by terrorist to **** up a neighborhood(+ all other more important consiquences). we want to set up a religious place within a rather close proximity to this farked up neighborhood. we want to be respected and tolerated. Check.
numb minded people: RADDA RADDA RADDA RADDA!!!
Some jackass: we want to put a gay bar up next to your religious building, its just as legal as your religious building, respect us and tolerate us. Check!
Religious: RADDA RADDA RADDA RADDA!!!
numb minded people: RADDA RADDA RADDA RADDA x2!!!


some other genius: i know, next lets set up a cathlic church next to a middle school and provide free after school "acivities." CHECK MATE BITCHES!!

*deviously rubs hands togther*

I would rather show extremists that I won't submit to them than have safety. Submitting to them gives them power and makes the problem far worse.

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"

lemme give that a big +Fuck Yeah!

I feel like this is too moronic to even comment on, but I shall anyway.

There's a difference between intolerance of homosexuals and pedophilia bro.

Why couldn't they make a heterosexual bar over there? lol I wouldn't mind getting wasted then going to repent for doing it ha ha. As far as the gay thingy don't really think Muslims at least the ones in west have that much of a problem with the gay community.. you don't see us going around with posters saying god hates the ****!

...so all catholics are pedophiles now?? youre intolrance is astounding. just because a cathlic church starts an after-school center next to a middle school doesnt mean they are going to dingle children. sheesh, people these days.

now you get it?


yay 3k posts.

No I don't care if they have after school activities. Actually, many churches do that anyway. But the point you're trying to insinuate, which we can tell you're trying to insinuate it because of the quotations around activities, is that pedophilia will be happening.

Like I said, many churches have after school programs. My old church back in the day had an after school program. There's no intolerance there.

Being homosexual is not illegal. Being a pedophile is. You're trying to say we should allow an illegal activity because we allow a legal one, and your reasoning is because you're arguing semantics. Fact of the matter is, you put activities in quotes, you obviously had an alternative meaning for that word, your point is invalid.

Furthermore, you're comparing two different things. To properly compare something with your "activities," you would have to say that the people attending the gay bars are doing illegal "activities" themselves. Attending the gay bar isn't wrong. Just like attending the after school program at the church wouldn't be wrong. That's the flaw in your reasoning.

well, first off theres no pedophilia and its sad of you to assume so. you are making way more out of this than it needs to be. its just a catholic rec center. despite catholics having a reputation for doing bad things to children you cant just assume that this place will.


btw youre reading this entirely wrong. i think you need to just sit and think and maybe re-read to understand the point im getting at.

lol they should build a gay bar next that West Baptist Church (I think thats what it is called). Would be hilarious to see.

Your point is moot.
You put activities in quotes for a reason. If you had no other meaning than genuine after school activities, then you wouldn't have put quotes around it. It's as simple as that. Try and deny it all you want, your point is just worthless now.

I believe diction is the term I am looking for. Look it up.

That would be funny

I read your wall of a text. I have nothing to say against it.

This is the bit I don't understand, actually. Why does the faith look so down upon Homosexuals? This isn't some kind of trolling question nor am I being silly, I honestly just don't get it. Being homosexual isn't something you can control, it's apart of who you are. If your mind gives off sexual reactions to a person of a similar sex (I can't explain it in scientific terms, so bare with me) than that's hardly their fault, is it? They simply can't say "Oh, well I'm sexually attracted to people of my gender, but this guy doesn't like it so I will just ignore it or something". Why would a religion be created with such a strong hatred for people who are just as dedicated as everyone else in their religion?

This applies not just as a direct question to them, but also to all religions. I'll even take a stab at the moral high ground here and say that as a society, the prejudice we have against homosexuals is absolutely ridiculous and makes no goddam sense at all. I hope Australia's next Prime Minister is a flamboyant gay and makes gay marriage legal, hopefully people will stop treating them like they are some kind of mutant disease which deserves oppression >_>

Homosexuality was illegal in the u.s. up until around 10 years ago. correct me if i am wrong
the majority of the population is not attracted to the same sex. So to you the thought of a man being with a man or a woman having sexual relations with a woman would be not normal, immoral, disgusting. People didn't realize that up until recently that it was not their choice to be gay or to not be. Some people still debate over this fact.

Don't think too many people had a problem with that.

It's what society deemed not right at the time.

It was illegal along with all forms of sodomy in some parts of the United States until 2003. As far as I know sodomy laws were never really enforced in the United States, but I could be wrong.

Here is a list that shows the year when each state abolished sodomy laws. Those that haven't yet been abolished are still in the books, but are invalidated by the United States government.

# Alabama — All sodomy acts illegal – affects only unmarried couples. Penalty = (1 year/$1,000)
# Alaska (repealed through legislative action 1980)
# Arizona (repealed through legislative action 2001)
# Arkansas — struck down by Jegley v. Picado, 80 S.W.3d 332 (Ark. 2001)
# California (repealed through legislative action 1976)
# Colorado (repealed through legislative action 1972)
# Connecticut (repealed through legislative action 1971)
# Delaware (repealed through legislative action 1973)
# Florida — All sodomy acts illegal. Penalty = (60 days/$500)
# Georgia — struck down by Powell v. Georgia, 510 S.E.2d 18 (1998)
# Hawaii (repealed through legislative action 1973)
# Idaho — All sodomy acts illegal. Penalty = (5 years to life)
# Illinois (repealed through legislative action 1962)
# Indiana (repealed through legislative action 1976)
# Iowa (repealed through legislative action 1978)
# Kansas — Same-Sex sodomy acts illegal. Penalty = (6 months/$1,000)
# Kentucky — struck down by Commonwealth v. Wasson, 842 S.W.2d 487 (Ky. 1992)
# Louisiana — All sodomy acts illegal. Penalty = (5 years/$2,000)[25]
# Maine (repealed through legislative action 1976)
# Maryland — struck down by Williams v. State, 1998 Extra LEXIS 260, Baltimore City Circuit Court, January 14, 1999
# Massachusetts — struck down by GLAD v. Attorney General, SJC-08539 (Mass. Supreme Judicial Ct. 2002)
# Michigan – struck down by Michigan Organization for Human Rights v. Kelley in 1990. Prior law defined sodomy as a felony punishable by up to 15 years imprisonment for a first offense and up to life in prison for repeat offenders.
# Minnesota — struck down by Doe v. Ventura, No. MC 01-489, 2001 WL 543734 (Minn. Dist. Ct 2001)
# Mississippi — All sodomy acts illegal. Penalty = (10 years)
# Missouri — Same-Sex sodomy acts illegal. Penalty = (1 year/$1,000), then repealed through legislative action in 2006
# Montana — struck down by Gryczan v. Montana, 942 P.2d 112 (1997)
# Nebraska (repealed through legislative action 1978)
# Nevada (repealed through legislative action 1993)
# New Hampshire (repealed through legislative action 1975)
# New Jersey (repealed through legislative action 1979)
# New Mexico (repealed through legislative action 1975)
# New York — struck down by People v. Onofre, 415 N.E.2d 936 (N.Y. 1980) and repealed by the legislature in 2000.
# North Carolina — All sodomy acts illegal. Penalty = (10 years/discretionary fine)
# North Dakota (repealed through legislative action 1973)
# Ohio (repealed through legislative action 1974)
# Oklahoma — Same-Sex sodomy acts illegal. Penalty = (10 years)
# Oregon (repealed through legislative action 1972)
# Pennsylvania — struck down by Commonwealth v. Bonadio, 415 A.2d 47 (Pa. 1980) and repealed by the legislature in 1995.
# Rhode Island (repealed through legislative action 1998)
# South Carolina — All sodomy acts illegal. Penalty = (5 years/$500)
# South Dakota (repealed through legislative action 1977)
# Tennessee — Struck down in Campbell v. Sundquist, 926 S.W.2d 250 (1996)
# Texas — Same-Sex sodomy acts illegal. Penalty = ($500)
# Utah — All sodomy acts illegal. Penalty = (6 months/$1,000)
# Vermont (repealed through legislative action 1977)
# Virginia — All sodomy acts illegal. Penalty = (1–5 years)
# Washington (repealed through legislative action 1976)
# West Virginia (repealed through legislative action 1976)
# Wisconsin (repealed through legislative action 1983)
# Wyoming (repealed through legislative action 1977)
# District of Columbia (City Council repealed law in 1995; Congress did not veto repeal as it did the first time in 1981)

My source is wikipedia. lol

my point isnt moot. your moot is moot.

you dont get the point so shhhhh.

1. It was a mosque since 2009
2. If you're going to say it's disrespectful because the building is "historic" then you might as well say the Twin Towers were disrespectful for knocking down whatever historic buildings were in its place before it was erected. And every modern building in New York is disrespectful because i'm sure they've knocked down far older and more important buildings than Cordobo House.


The mosque wasn't built out of spite. This bar is being built out of spite. It will last as long as people like you keep laughing and gays go there for attention and then it will fold. I don't like the gay community being used like this, it makes us look like a joke. It's like insulting someone by calling them a f*ggot because that's the most hurtful thing you can think of, being gay. Gays are insulting, Gays are emasculating, wait till those muslims have to pray next to all those gays, it'll be a riot, sucks to be them. It's a tired and outdated way of thinking. It's not like we have good friends on either side of the argument, let them fight it out...

Your point was invalidated by your horrible example you gave.