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 Post subject: Mass deaths = omen?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:57 pm 
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5,000 birds dead.
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(CNN) -- Some of the nation's top experts Tuesday were looking for clues into sudden, mass deaths of birds in two states over New Year's weekend.

"This one is unusual because of the time period over which so many birds died," said LeAnn White, a field investigator with the National Wildlife Health Center in Madison, Wisconsin. The center, part of the U.S. Geological Survey, is receiving samples from Arkansas, where as many as 5,000 red-winged blackbirds and starlings fell from the sky in a square-mile area in less than an hour on New Year's Eve, according to the Arkansas Fish and Game Commission.

The center will also examine samples from Louisiana, where 500 red-winged blackbirds, starlings and grackles were found dead in Labarre.

A preliminary report conducted Monday by the Arkansas Livestock and Poultry Commission found that the birds in Beebe, Arkansas, likely died from massive trauma.

There had been reports of loud sounds in Beebe before the reports of birds falling began to come in. It's possible the sounds made the birds disoriented, and they went into sudden, chaotic flights, crashing into each other and into objects, White said. "You're disturbed, you're disoriented, you're trying to figure out where you are. We have seen some stuff like this before when there's heavy dense fog, and they'll run into towers and power lines," she said.

Other bird experts agree that that's a likely explanation. Still, the sudden deaths are quite unusual. "It's kind of a freak event," said Greg Butcher, director of bird conservation for the National Audubon Society. "You just don't see these kinds of mass deaths very frequently at all."

At this time of year, blackbirds are in huge roosts, particularly throughout the southeastern United States, he said. They generally don't fly at night.

"In the course of a year, about half the birds that are around die -- even under the best circumstances. The life of a bird is brutish and short. But it just usually happens out of the sight of people," said Butcher.

It's possible that the loud sound that triggered the incident was New Year's Eve fireworks, though officials said the investigation is ongoing.

"If it had been any other day of the week," Butcher said, he might have suspected people to be behind the deaths. "There's a lot of purposeful killings. ... People really don't like these big roosts. But I can't see anybody doing that on New Year's Eve."

Doug Inkley, senior scientist with the National Wildlife Federation, said his "first suspicion is that they were frightened and went into a mass panic."

"I would call this event unusual," he said, "but not unprecedented."

Keith Stephens, a spokesman for the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission, said the birds showed evidence of trauma in the breast tissue, with blood clots in the body cavity and a lot of internal bleeding. All major organs were normal.

Karen Rowe, an ornithologist for the commission, said such incidents can be caused by a lightning strike or high-altitude hail. A strong storm system moved through the state earlier in the day Friday.

The experts CNN spoke with saw nothing surprising in there being a similar report of bird deaths in Louisiana. "It's another one of those coincidences," said White, adding, "I'm really interested to see if there's anything that could possibly be related. I asked about weather conditions there. There's sometimes high-altitude hail." But, she said, so far officials were not aware of "any strange weather patterns" in the area.

Butcher, with the National Audubon Society, said there may be more reports of dead birds found around the country. "As soon as one of these things hits the airwaves, people are just more sensitive to seeing dead birds around."

Meanwhile, Arkansas officials are investigating the death of an estimated 100,000 fish in the state's northwest, but suspect disease was to blame, a state spokesman said Sunday.

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Its rednecks trying to play angry birds in real life. The fish is the expansion pack

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Its rednecks trying to play angry birds in real life. The fish is the expansion pack

Don't hate on my people.

Your a jew with a Jewfro.
I think your people would have a heart attack if you waste all that fish!
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Yeah I was reading about that, it's kinda freaky and I don't even believe in all that 2012 crap.

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tasdik, they are not your people.

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its coming 2012!!! :D

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Isn't this the same event like in a episode of the film Flash Forward?

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stuff like this was happening to elk and some other delicious animals. they would just die for no reason and a lot within a short period of time. government conspiracy or mars is coming.

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Holy crap This is absolutely bizarre!

Well, There's Moar!

State commission says dead fish now cover 20-mile section of Arkansas River

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says dead drum fish now cover a 20-mile section of the Arkansas River near Ozark.

http://www.wreg.com/lifestyle/sns-ap-ar ... 9721.story

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And some more. ~2 mil fish in chesapeake bay, 100 tons of fish in brazil...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/0 ... 04591.html

Apparently this kinda thing has happened before so no biggie probably.

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It's a free source of food given by God. You don't need to go hunting to have food.

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Yes there is.

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Ichimaru, what Anime is your sig from?

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nope.

If I give you 1$, you don't have to work for it, you don't have to pay for it, you still have it without doing anything. By definition, it's called free. Therefore your statement is void.

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You sellin' money now silo?

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Nope, money is not for sell :wink:

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you still have it without doing anything


Besides being there and/or giving you the specific info for you to give it to him ...lol

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you still have it without doing anything


Besides being there and/or giving you the specific info for you to give it to him ...lol

Yes, and I can slip a piece of money into his pocket without having him noticed.

There you go. Free. No exchange needed, no sight needed, no action required.

You can do it to a random beggar on the road. They'd called it free.

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no action required.

You can do it to a random beggar on the road. They'd called it free.


They'd still have to be in the specific location for you to slip it on them. Which they decided to be at for whichever reason, where you'd end up at to give them money without them noticing.

The whole thing is that there's always something conditional upon receiving something...

If someone slips me a 50 without me noticing, one could argue that if I wasn't at whichever location at that specific time range, I probably wouldn't have gotten the money. Although, there's a lot of variables to take into account which could go either way.

In this case: Being there is the trade for getting the money, making it not quite "free".

Though, this is just semantics, which I'm now tired of ...lol

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As said, you pick a random person on the road (on your way go to the school for example). You didn't ask him to come to a specific location to give him money. Her was unintentionally there in the first place (on his way to work for example).

There is absolutely no trade came from his part. He was at a specific place at a specific time because he is on his way to work, not because he wants to receive the money.

Also try to make a difference between "to trade/exchange" and "to be condition". "Being there" is the least condition but it's not a trade.

By definition, trading is when you lose something that you currently own, in exchange of something else. "To be there" is a condition but it's not a trade because you don't lose anything.

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As said, you pick a random person on the road (on your way go to the school for example). You didn't ask him to come to a specific location to give him money. Her was unintentionally there in the first place (on his way to work for example).

There is absolutely no trade came from his part. He was at a specific place at a specific time because he is on his way to work, not because he wants to receive the money.

Also try to make a difference between "to trade/exchange" and "to be condition". "Being there" is the least condition but it's not a trade.



Wouldn't really say it's unintentional for the person to be wherever... I can sit at a bus stop on my way to campus, it's just an aspect of my own decisions to my final destination, not just random happenings...

and yes, being somewhere's a condition, however:

Say I'm walking on my way home and run into someone that gives an item for no materialistic trade. M'kay, yes ...that's "free" in terms of a materialistic exchange from both parties.

If, say I decided to go another route that I would never encountered said person, then one could say that the trade to receive that item was my decision to go that direction, not anything I currently had on my person.

I know what a trade is; It's an exchange of sorts (things not specified) for another's goods or services. I'm just giving the aspect of nothing's free, in a different light, of the exchange that the condition is met through choice so that the "trade" can take place... If the choices don't lead to the specific condition, the "trade," so to speak, wouldn't happen.

Don't mind the dribble, but the "decision to go a certain destination to meet a specific condition" makes it so an exchange, so to speak, happens.

So, Choice to condition in trade for good(s). Although, I'd expect you to say "not losing anything", again. I'd just say that the "lost item" is simply the other decisions not taken.

I personally just think it's a bit of an outward way of looking at it ...lol

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