Post subject: Re: What you think about gun control?
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:03 pm
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I am sure a disarmed population will make things a lot tougher for the gangs in terms of thriving.
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Post subject: Re: What you think about gun control?
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:43 pm
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CeLL wrote:
McLovin1t wrote:
Just because criminals don't follow the law, doesn't mean the law should allow people to own something that in the matter of a few minutes or even seconds could kill another human being.
o you mean like knives, or bleach, or piano wire, or fire...
OMG OMG NO MORE CARS!!!McLovin could not be anymore of a progressive.. if he said the government should spoon feed us all...
McLovin do some research on the founding fathers(not that they or the constitution mean anything to you) I believe it was Franklin who said, "He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security."
Love actually said something I can agree with... those dead birds really were an omen... and hellz frozen over.
Post subject: Re: What you think about gun control?
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:47 pm
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^ sounds like you are wrong an awful lot.
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Post subject: Re: What you think about gun control?
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:49 pm
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Fiction wrote:
CeLL wrote:
McLovin1t wrote:
Just because criminals don't follow the law, doesn't mean the law should allow people to own something that in the matter of a few minutes or even seconds could kill another human being.
o you mean like knives, or bleach, or piano wire, or fire...
OMG OMG NO MORE CARS!!!McLovin could not be anymore of a progressive.. if he said the government should spoon feed us all...
McLovin do some research on the founding fathers(not that they or the constitution mean anything to you) I believe it was Franklin who said, "He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security."
Love actually said something I can agree with... those dead birds really were an omen... and hellz frozen over.
Post subject: Re: What you think about gun control?
Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 3:45 am
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If the focus of this thread is to reduce crime rate via firearms then I don't believe the "law" can accomplish this....Reducing crime comes from society itself.... There are some countries that either allow all it's citizens to have a gun or none of it's citizens to own a gun and they still have relatively low crime rates....
The lack of crime via firearms in these countries is totally attributed to their sociological design, social situation or state of being...Not the law.... Where I'm from its not uncommon to leave your door unlocked all night without worrying about a gun wielding maniac coming in to shoot you and your family..
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Post subject: Re: What you think about gun control?
Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 4:00 am
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Where I live, it's illegal to bare arms unless given proper authority (gun licence for hunting etc etc, I don't know too much about it). The point is, it doesn't change too much. Sure, I don't hear of many cases people got shot around my area. But every day on the news someone has been stabbed, I know so many people that always carry a butterfly knife on them "just encase". Even though guns are illegal, it still doesn't stop me being shit scared walking the streets at night.
Then again, Australia really is a violent place. We are too dam diverse ethnically (is that how I'm meant to say it?) and it's clear that not many people like it. I'm not too much like that myself, someone's race hardly bothers me, but the amount of tensions and racism that is present is unbelievable. I personally believe that it's these kind of attitudes and beliefs (not just race, but aggression and hatred in general) will ultimately lead to a large loss of life. Tools can easily be replaced on a seconds notice.
Post subject: Re: What you think about gun control?
Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 4:05 am
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Fiction wrote:
CeLL wrote:
McLovin1t wrote:
Just because criminals don't follow the law, doesn't mean the law should allow people to own something that in the matter of a few minutes or even seconds could kill another human being.
o you mean like knives, or bleach, or piano wire, or fire...
OMG OMG NO MORE CARS!!!McLovin could not be anymore of a progressive.. if he said the government should spoon feed us all...
McLovin do some research on the founding fathers(not that they or the constitution mean anything to you) I believe it was Franklin who said, "He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security."
Love actually said something I can agree with... those dead birds really were an omen... and hellz frozen over.
Goddamn it you are retarded. The Constitution's second amendment is the most distorted piece of evidence used by retarded bible-toting conservatives today. Basically the second amendment was created in a time where rebellions, native americans, and foreign powers were A CONSTANT REAL THREAT, not petty crimes. Liberty isn't absolute. You don't have the liberty to murder someone, so I believe you shouldn't have the liberty to possess something sheerly meant for killing someone/thing else. Also, I definitely know more about the (context of) the constitution, as well as the founding fathers than you do, so don't pull that please. Basically, your entire argument comes down to the petty cries for "freedom!" but in all seriousness, how can you deny that gradually turning our country away from the violent culture it is turning to is a bad thing? I mean legal guns have killed people, look at Virginia Tech. Now before we even illegalize guns, we should work at making them a bit harder to get for the criminally insane. However you NRA supporters need your oil money and hunting money anyway right? And if you guys want a safer nation (I think we all do), the only option is a liberal perspective. Every single nation with the least crime (Scandinavian nations, Canada, UK etc.) have socialist policies, an equal society, strong welfare, so crime is essentially pointless in those areas. If you really are looking for the best for this country, I am confused as to why you don't look to liberal economic policies in that we have to improve, educate, and equalize the lower classes, as well as prevent violence by ridding the country of harmful tools. But, to each his own right? Until someone gets shot.
EDIT: To Twilliger's post, yeah I get that, stabbing is bad too. However in the US we have the worst of both worlds. The most gun related deaths in the world/year by hundreds of times, as well as stabbing. If we want to reduce crime, why not get rid of the killer of 11,000 people per year, and deal with stabbings assuming those become the next problem, considering those are much easier to deal with, as local police forces, banks, etc. can defend themselves much more prominently from a knife-wielding maniac than a gun-toting maniac (Fort Hood, Virginia Tech, etc.)
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Post subject: Re: What you think about gun control?
Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 5:26 am
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McLovin1t wrote:
Goddamn
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it you are retarded. The Constitution's second amendment is the most distorted piece of evidence used by retarded bible-toting conservatives today. Basically the second amendment was created in a time where rebellions, native americans, and foreign powers were A CONSTANT REAL THREAT, not petty crimes. Liberty isn't absolute. You don't have the liberty to murder someone, so I believe you shouldn't have the liberty to possess something sheerly meant for killing someone/thing else. Also, I definitely know more about the (context of) the constitution, as well as the founding fathers than you do, so don't pull that please. Basically, your entire argument comes down to the petty cries for "freedom!" but in all seriousness, how can you deny that gradually turning our country away from the violent culture it is turning to is a bad thing? I mean legal guns have killed people, look at Virginia Tech. Now before we even illegalize guns, we should work at making them a bit harder to get for the criminally insane. However you NRA supporters need your oil money and hunting money anyway right? And if you guys want a safer nation (I think we all do), the only option is a liberal perspective. Every single nation with the least crime (Scandinavian nations, Canada, UK etc.) have socialist policies, an equal society, strong welfare, so crime is essentially pointless in those areas. If you really are looking for the best for this country, I am confused as to why you don't look to liberal economic policies in that we have to improve, educate, and equalize the lower classes, as well as prevent violence by ridding the country of harmful tools. But, to each his own right? Until someone gets shot.
EDIT: To Twilliger's post, yeah I get that, stabbing is bad too. However in the US we have the worst of both worlds. The most gun related deaths in the world/year by hundreds of times, as well as stabbing. If we want to reduce crime, why not get rid of the killer of 11,000 people per year, and deal with stabbings assuming those become the next problem, considering those are much easier to deal with, as local police forces, banks, etc. can defend themselves much more prominently from a knife-wielding maniac than a gun-toting maniac (Fort Hood, Virginia Tech,
etc.)
blah blah tl;dr... I figure why read what you wrote when I've heard it a million times... First you insult/belittle... then you're gonna tell me you know more than me, then you'll set up some examples of why your world would work so perfectly. yada yada yada...
The difference between me and you is-besides your immature tyraids on this forum-... I believe the best way to help people out of poverty(Highest crime per capa) is by letting them help themselves... not handing them everything on a silver platter and expecting them to magically NOT take it for granted and abuse it. If I want to help out the poor, I'll simply donate to charity. Instead you believe: If you want to help out the poor you'll take from the haves and give to the have nots...
Some day... Maybe... ehmm... or not... You'll wake up and pull your head out of your ass and take a good long hard look at reality and see government isn't the answer to everything. Letting people earn something, you'll see they cherish it a lot more than some government housing. Then they won't be so incline to go shoot up their neighbors house...
I lol'd about Cell saying something about the mexicans and you called him racist for it.. Funny you didn't mention most the crime is black on black...
If that was too long for you to read here's the short version:
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Also... stop getting your facts out of Micheal Moore films... The US has the highest death rate in the world? You're josh'n me right? c'mon Mexico has more murders in 3 months than we have a year... then there's the rest of central america... south america... africa...asia... and how bout a ban on all those deadly creatures over there in Australia?
Post subject: Re: What you think about gun control?
Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 5:53 am
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Oh please Fiction. I thought we would realize that the arguments have to make sense. Mexico isn't a developed countries, considering the U.S. is the beacon of the world, I assumed we would have to argue with countries on world power level, not Mexico. My immature tyraids? Considering you ignored my entire argument, and you just spew random things saying we can't give to the poor because they will all abuse it because they are black and abuse everything given to them. You're right, you don't have to argue any of my points, because they are all wrong, you're right, and your compelling, plentiful, and non-speculatory evidence is really proving all of that! Edit: Wow I just realized Fiction, you're right again! Considering the low amounts of benefits for the poor & unemployed (some benefits, but nothing that could help a family that much), they are actually all getting employed now, because they have a dearth of benefits! They are all so happy, committing no crimes, because they are making money! If they were given benefits, then who knows what they could do!? They would probably kill people and buy crack with that money, you're right, we can't trust the poor people, they buy drugs and shoot people... -_-
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Post subject: Re: What you think about gun control?
Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 6:57 am
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McLovin1t wrote:
Oh please Fiction. I thought we would realize that the arguments have to make sense. Mexico isn't a developed countries, considering the U.S. is the beacon of the world, I assumed we would have to argue with countries on world power level, not Mexico. My immature tyraids? Considering you ignored my entire argument, and you just spew random things saying we can't give to the poor because they will all abuse it because they are black and abuse everything given to them. You're right, you don't have to argue any of my points, because they are all wrong, you're right, and your compelling, plentiful, and non-speculatory evidence is really proving all of that! Edit: Wow I just realized Fiction, you're right again! Considering the low amounts of benefits for the poor & unemployed (some benefits, but nothing that could help a family that much), they are actually all getting employed now, because they have a dearth of benefits! They are all so happy, committing no crimes, because they are making money! If they were given benefits, then who knows what they could do!? They would probably kill people and buy crack with that money, you're right, we can't trust the poor people, they buy drugs and shoot people... -_-
Idk if my troll just got trolled or you really believe yourself.-Yes I see your sarcasm- but still I'm confused... Awww this is what I get for trying to understand a progressive.
I'm gonna go umm... thump my bible now? ehm and go to my GWB book signing? Boo Science, it's the Devil!! Ehm I think that's what we conservatives do maybe? Right? Anyways...
Cell is a stupid socialist liberal marxist commie ass conservative nazi capitalist fascist racist bigot! <-QFT
Post subject: Re: What you think about gun control?
Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:22 pm
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That shooting in Tucson of those people including Rep. Gabrielle Giffords is terrible especially the death of the 9 year old child. The people who are pro gun like to say I'd rather have a gun to protect me from maniacs like this one but how many of you always tuck a pistol or strap your rifle when you go out in the streets?.
Even if you were allowed to walk around with a loaded gun... would you have enough to time to react? You'd probably stop the maniac from killing more people but to the people that's already dead in an initial assault it means nothing.....
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Post subject: Re: What you think about gun control?
Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:55 pm
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EvGa please don't tell me you're serious. This man who is now being called criminally insane purchased/had a (legal) (fully) automatic glock with extended mags. If you think that is ok, then I have no need to debate any more with you.
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Post subject: Re: What you think about gun control?
Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:42 pm
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Fiction wrote:
I wasn't aware that is was legal to buy/sell any full auto firearms.
The simple point is... Gun Control will not stop shootings, and murders.. It will only make it harder for law abiding citizens to obtain one.
You can obtain a Class III permit for certain post-1984 fully auto weapons. Glocks not being one of them. You have to fill out a mountain of paperwork (BATFE application), background checks, local law enforcement approval, and $200 stamp/tax.
Post subject: Re: What you think about gun control?
Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:51 pm
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evga I am pretty sure the simple act of responding to mclovin lowers your iq, it's some sort of scientific fact.
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Post subject: Re: What you think about gun control?
Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 1:02 am
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EvGa wrote:
People who think removing guns from American society is a viable option are severely delusional.
Please come back to reality.
What are you basing this argument on?....Are you sayin that the remval of firearms from american society wont happen and it's delusional to think so? Or are you saying a gun free america would be worst than it is now?...If you are thinking the latter then I think you're the one who's delusional...
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Post subject: Re: What you think about gun control?
Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 1:19 am
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Love wrote:
evga I am pretty sure the simple act of responding to mclovin lowers your iq, it's some sort of scientific fact.
My apologies Love, I saw into the light, and realized the Twin Towers were taken down by our evil government. Edit: But on a more serious note, I agree with Budo. And to Evga, whether or not you respond, he had an automatic, maybe it was semi automatic, glock with extended mags. Please tell me why you think it is ok for a person who is now being called criminally insane (too late I guess) to purchase a weapon? Too bad no gun-toting vigilantes could save anyone, because in your world with guns, that was supposed to happen right?
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