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 Post subject: Re: 12 year old develops his own theory of relativity
PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 10:58 pm 
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Hold it McLovin,

The Atom Bomb saved people?

Where/when? Maybe I just lack lessons in history but.. I believe they only kill....


His statement is actually misleading. Anyway, this is how I interpreted it: after WWII and the bomb dropping on Japan, the peoples were too afraid to start all over a new war, knowing there were such weapons outside and still in developement. Both the USA and Russia had atomic bombs, but neither ever used it, thus saving millions of lives.

Uh..in that vid the kid is doing the same things as me. And I'm almost 19 and struggling with them >_>..screw maths..I'ma study modern literature and politics.

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Atomic bombs are still not life savers. Simply not using them is not equal to saving lives. I could also say that i saved a life because i didn't pull the trigger on a random guy.

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Doron wrote:
Hold it McLovin,

The Atom Bomb saved people?

Where/when? Maybe I just lack lessons in history but.. I believe they only kill....


Well the bombs themselves didn't actually save anyone, however, if the U.S. would have invaded the Japanese islands, the casualties of American troops was projected at around 500,000. The total Japanese death toll ended up being around 200,000. Roosevelt felt the cost of Japanese citizens was worth the end of the war. If he hadn't dropped the bombs, the result would've been a large percentage more casualties for both sides.

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Wow Roosevelt was such a partypooper.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:19 pm 
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Atomic bombs are still not life savers. Simply not using them is not equal to saving lives. I could also say that i saved a life because i didn't pull the trigger on a random guy.


This was my doubt while I was writing my reply.

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Doron wrote:
Hold it McLovin,

The Atom Bomb saved people?

Where/when? Maybe I just lack lessons in history but.. I believe they only kill....


Well the bombs themselves didn't actually save anyone, however, if the U.S. would have invaded the Japanese islands, the casualties of American troops was projected at around 500,000. The total Japanese death toll ended up being around 200,000. Roosevelt felt the cost of Japanese citizens was worth the end of the war. If he hadn't dropped the bombs, the result would've been a large percentage more casualties for both sides.


And this is what I have just read, 'cept it was not president Roosevelt, but president Truman, because Roosevelt died on April 12th.

Still..I think this not quite a right assumption, even though people who support this theory claim that this is what the official Allied plan says.

Unfortunately for them, History is not made up of ifs and buts, but of facts and people.

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Wow Roosevelt was such a partypooper.

Actually, Roosevelt was one of the best presidents the USA have ever had. He was praised worldwide because he found a solution to the economic collapse in 1929. I've read of Irish and Italians having pictures of him hang on the wall, besides those of Eamon de Valera or of the Pope.

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I think McLovin is too naive at times.

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Wow Roosevelt was such a partypooper.

Actually, Roosevelt was one of the best presidents the USA have ever had. He was praised worldwide because he found a solution to the economic collapse in 1929. I've read of Irish and Italians having pictures of him hang on the wall, besides those of Eamon de Valera or of the Pope.


Teehee I meant that with like: Ahw shit man he stopped the war.

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All that shit in ONE WEEK IS BULLSHIT.
I'd agree if it took him a couple of months but all of that in a WEEK just sounds like BS

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Mclovin... He's only 12... get off his dick until he hits 18 at least...

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Wow Roosevelt was such a partypooper.

Actually, Roosevelt was one of the best presidents the USA have ever had. He was praised worldwide because he found a solution to the economic collapse in 1929. I've read of Irish and Italians having pictures of him hang on the wall, besides those of Eamon de Valera or of the Pope.



Doron if you don't know how the atom bombs saved lives than you don't know history. :soosad: Also only one bomb had to be dropped... but no... Japan didn't wanna throw in the towel, so the second one was dropped. We could have dropped the bombs on more populated cities if we were just out for blood.

@ Mark, I wouldn't go as far to say FDR was one of the best presidents. He did some good, but also he did a lot of things that have set us back even today.

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IQ and intelligence is like race and penis size.

Just because you're black doesn't mean you have a big man meat, but it's more likely that you're well endowed.

I don't think you can sort intelligence by IQ, but in general I would say that the intelligent people I know have higher than average IQ, while those that aren't have lower than average.

I guess what i'm trying to say is that if you take three people scoring at 150, 130, and 65, it is likely that the 150 and 130 are more intelligent than the 65, but the 150 isn't necessarily smarter than the 130. When you look at anything in the domain of astrology, things like creativity play an important role in success. IQ doesn't test for that.

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Yes, but does one even need intelligence or smartlyness when one has wisdom?

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Yes, but does one even need intelligence or smartlyness when one has wisdom?


Does one need petrol when one wants to drive a conventional car?

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Oh shit I just watched the video. Shit I feel like an Idiot I can barely do basic trigonometry lol

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Does one need salt and lime/lemon when one can wash one's tequila down with a martini?

The questions of life are infinite, but if you look at my class the wisdom level is impeccably low because those people never had anything to fight for.

I kinda take life experience > intelligence.

I mean, *stupid example* Take Sheldon from BBT.

Smart as ****, but damn that guy seriously needs some wisdom soon or someone will kill him one day. I know he's just a played character but still, I know people who come damn close to him and all they needed was a little alcohol to become better conversational partners.

When it comes to that. Wisdom really over intelligence because then at least you have something fascinating to talk about, in stead of just sticking it up everyone's ass you're smart by using words no one will understand.

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Doron wrote:
Does one need salt and lime/lemon when one can wash one's tequila down with a martini?

The questions of life are infinite, but if you look at my class the wisdom level is impeccably low because those people never had anything to fight for.

I kinda take life experience > intelligence.

I mean, *stupid example* Take Sheldon from BBT.


You lost me at the end. I can't take anything from him or the show seriously.

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Does one need salt and lime/lemon when one can wash one's tequila down with a martini?

The questions of life are infinite, but if you look at my class the wisdom level is impeccably low because those people never had anything to fight for.

I kinda take life experience > intelligence.

I mean, *stupid example* Take Sheldon from BBT.


You lost me at the end. I can't take anything from him or the show seriously.


Exactly. That the moral of my example.

People that claim to be the most intelligent beings, deeming themselves the best thing this world has ever seen, like Sheldon, will never rule.
Why?
Cuz they haven't seen shit yet. The most intelligent people are the biggest Autistics too. They have their own little world full of intelligence, dates, facts and numbers and shit, but in the real world a good pair and guts is what makes them successful.

Simple example from the Netherlands: Two of the biggest companies have been founded by men who did not learn how to calculate, read or write. They are at the top of the financial ladder. Have successful chains of Restaurants or funparks.

Intelligence can get you in the history books, but these men have accomplished something that is way better than that.

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I'd rather be wise than smart any day. People who are smart tend to be high on logic and sure of themselves until they become confused and angry when something doesn't add up like life experiences.


On another note: I see mclovin saying something about the atom bomb saving many lives and a few people here disagreeing. Well I have to agree with him. The atom bomb brought the war to an end when the nation that suffered from it's devastation called for a quick surrender.

It's common sense to try and end a war as soon as possible. The longer the war the higher the death count. So in that sense the atom bomb did save many lives. a whole lot more lives than it took.

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Makes me think of a paper I wrote for my developmental psychology class on how IQ testing is not an accurate, and even considered useless, tool in certain settings. It's impossible to set a standard on how intelligent people are based on a set criteria. If you ask someone who majors in math about medical problems, he probably won't have a clue on how to answer the majority of the questions - and vice versa. Although I don't mean to discredit the fact that the child does have an incredible skill for grasping math-related concepts.

If there's ever a genius that I truly envy, it would be Mozart.


You do realize an IQ that high at a young age is quite a strong indicator of intelligence, right? Intelligent =/= knowledgeable, like you said with the pre-med v. math student. Just because he doesn't answer a question doesn't mean he isn't smart. IQ testing is NOWHERE NEAR useless, and an IQ of 170 is incredibly accurate to say this kid is brilliant and hopefully he will figure out some cool stuff.


I never said that his IQ is not an indicator of his mental capacity. I agree with you that the kid is brilliant. I'm talking about IQ testing in general. It's not an accurate measurement of a person's intelligence or ability. It does give you a good indication but not always a good representation. It's deemed useless in certain places where certain concepts covered in these IQ tests are either rarely or never really needed - like farms or rural places in developing countries. In this child's case, however, it fits his background perfectly. Your mind's reaction to stimuli is highly dependent to the way your neural connections are formed - the more exposure you have, the better your reaction would be. Think of it as a brain exercise.

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It's common sense to try and end a war as soon as possible. The longer the war the higher the death count. So in that sense the atom bomb did save many lives. a whole lot more lives than it took.

only problem i have with this is that nobody knows how long the war would go on for lol.
theory - bombs saved lives
fact - bombs took lives

that's how i see it.. idk why these bomb droppings have to be justified.. im sure back in the day all americans were shouting from the rooftops how they cleared those cities.. not like its the first or only ugly thing ever done in history..

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It's common sense to try and end a war as soon as possible. The longer the war the higher the death count. So in that sense the atom bomb did save many lives. a whole lot more lives than it took.

only problem i have with this is that nobody knows how long the war would go on for lol.
theory - bombs saved lives
fact - bombs took lives

that's how i see it.. idk why these bomb droppings have to be justified.. im sure back in the day all americans were shouting from the rooftops how they cleared those cities.. not like its the first or only ugly thing ever done in history..


It is the lowest form of offense in warfare but it had to be done. The country was at war and Japan was not exactly the friendliest nation at the time. Taking over other countries, attacking civilians, being a part of the Axis alliance - how do you think the world would've reacted?

Although it is unfortunate that man has harnessed such destructive power. It's pretty scary that we have weapons designed to wipe out millions of lives in a matter of seconds.

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The atomic bomb saved lives?
That has to be one of the dumbest things I've heard on SRF in a long time...(maybe because NS doesn't post as much anymore)
I shouldn't have to explain why. Use your fcking brain please.

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The atomic bomb saved lives?
That has to be one of the dumbest things I've heard on SRF in a long time...(maybe because NS doesn't post as much anymore)
I shouldn't have to explain why. Use your fcking brain please.


Haha completely off topic now... but anyways... I hope everyone knows these atom bombs were not dropped the same night or a day apart... We gave Japan a chance to surrender after the first bomb. During that time it musta been like God himself(Or the Emperor) came down and wiped Hiroshima off the map. The closest thing man had ever seen to that ,before then, was a volcano eruption. Yet that still didn't make Japan give up... so what the hell do you think would have happened if we hadn't dropped any atom bombs on them? They woulda just talked it out? Maybe it's you that should use your "Farking" brain... The war would have gone on and on causing a lot more destruction and death... Japan believed in the Emperor at the time and would never surrender to anything less than complete annihilation.

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About the atom bomb, in a sense, the fact that the Japanese mainland didn't have to be invaded "saved" considerably more lives than the numbers lost at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Why is this even being discussed? Oh yes, the "science creates evil" argument...

On topic: Neat. He seems a lot less socially awkward than most people with autism resulting in his level of intelligence.

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The atomic bomb saved lives?
That has to be one of the dumbest things I've heard on SRF in a long time...(maybe because NS doesn't post as much anymore)
I shouldn't have to explain why. Use your fcking brain please.


Haha completely off topic now... but anyways... I hope everyone knows these atom bombs were not dropped the same night or a day apart... We gave Japan a chance to surrender after the first bomb. During that time it musta been like God himself(Or the Emperor) came down and wiped Hiroshima off the map. The closest thing man had ever seen to that ,before then, was a volcano eruption. Yet that still didn't make Japan give up... so what the hell do you think would have happened if we hadn't dropped any atom bombs on them? They woulda just talked it out? Maybe it's you that should use your "Farking" brain... The war would have gone on and on causing a lot more destruction and death... Japan believed in the Emperor at the time and would never surrender to anything less than complete annihilation.


I guess...it's just the way he said it made it sound like it was a cure or something and it saved lives lol.

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On topic: Neat. He seems a lot less socially awkward than most people with autism resulting in his level of intelligence.


His wikipedia page states that his mom followed a method to cure autism, or at least build up the child's self-esteem, by allowing him to pursue his own interests at an early age. It's possible that helped him build confidence and act well-rounded relative to other autistic kids.

Also his abilities to absorb and calculate vast amounts of data must help in that regard.

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This kid is amazing!

I wish they could clone a hundred of him and let them find a solution for cancer or something.

Also in the sad side. When he gets old. His brains will be placed in a big jar and chopped into a million pieces for study :(

Hope to see him grow to make the world a better place and somehow find a way to solve the energy crisis and oil problems and stuff :)

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Just realized he's like a mix of Brian Cox and Justin Bieber, what's this world coming to D:


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_child_prodigies

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Just realized he's like a mix of Brian Cox and Justin Bieber, what's this world coming to D:


Yeah but unlike Bieber this kid has a skill?

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